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  • posted a message on Bare Bones Mafia Basic #89 - Game over - Town and Huntzilla Win
    I mean, I said or something.
    The point is, I want at least a reads list from him whether he's scum or not.
    If he's scum I don't want him to self hammer and end the day early.
    If he's town I don't want scum to hammer him and end the day early.

    Also, no, I don't think shadow is scum.
    And but I'm basically the only person fighting it, everyone else is either hard scumreading him or hasn't said much about him.
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  • posted a message on Bare Bones Mafia Basic #89 - Game over - Town and Huntzilla Win
    ...

    You could've stayed on him.
    Like. That's why I unvoted.
    If you want to lynch him go ahead.
    I'd just rather not have him at L-1 until he says some stuff.
    Otherwise he could self-hammer or something.
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  • posted a message on Bare Bones Mafia Basic #89 - Game over - Town and Huntzilla Win
    ...

    unvote

    I don't want him at L-1. He owes us a reads list at least.
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  • posted a message on Bare Bones Mafia Basic #89 - Game over - Town and Huntzilla Win
    Quote from Ecophagy »
    @Silver: Mindreaver is only at L-3, so you can vote him without fear! Hooray!
    Yes, I see that.

    unvote
    vote: Mindreaver
    Quote from tomsloger »
    lynch silver/shadow
    Rolleyes
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  • posted a message on Bare Bones Mafia Basic #89 - Game over - Town and Huntzilla Win
    I didn't look at the shock wagon again after flips.
    I just wanted to lynch tom and he was off wagon with Seppel on the AG lynch so I stopped there.

    re: zen I wasn't really scum reading him, he was just kind of in the PoE by default.
    I'm not really town reading him but he's not really scummy either?
    Like, if it's only one of them it's probably Mindreaver.
    He just looks worse in iso.
    But they could be scum/scum if it's not both of tom/Seppel.
    Or the third could be someone else I'm townreading like Rodemy.
    I don't know.
    But I do know there's almost no chance that whole wagon is town and one of them is probably scum.
    And since Mindreaver looks worse I'm fine with starting there.
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  • posted a message on Bare Bones Mafia Basic #89 - Game over - Town and Huntzilla Win
    @Vaimes:
    You're right, I don't think that entire shock wagon is town.
    If it must be between shadow and Mindreaver I lynch Mindreaver.
    Because I'm like 99% on shadow being town and Mindreaver hasn't done much of anything yet.

    But outside of that, it ~could be Zen.
    It's really between him and Mindreaver for me.
    Though after rereading Zen's iso, I guess I'd rather lynch Mindreaver than him too.

    Alright. I goofed.
    But you're right.
    It's probably Mindreaver.
    I think he's at L-2 or I'd move my vote.

    @Mindreaver:
    If you're scum, I'm gonna be a little upset with myself.
    Could I get a reads list, and whatever other thoughts you have on the game?
    At your earliest convenience.

    @Shadow:
    Talk to me about your zen scum read.
    Because, well, I don't really see it myself.
    Is it a hard scum read?
    Is it just because he's being difficult? What makes that scummy as opposed to NAI?
    Vaimes has confirmed that it's outside his scum meta, especially on a new site. Does that affect your read at all?
    I admit he's rubbed me the wrong way a bit but I don't think it's necessarily scummy.
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  • posted a message on Bare Bones Mafia Basic #89 - Game over - Town and Huntzilla Win
    I've been talking about shadow for like, a week.
    And I just made a kind of big post about mindreaver.
    If you have any questions feel free.
    But basically any thought I've ever had about a player in the game is in one of my posts.
    I don't have much else to say.
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  • posted a message on Spec Ops Spectator Thread - Thread Closed
    No, I got that. But why though.
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  • posted a message on Spec Ops Spectator Thread - Thread Closed
    Wait, what? What is that in reference to Proph?
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  • posted a message on Spec Ops Spectator Thread - Thread Closed
    Yep.

    On another note, I did receive a partial ability list from Seppel.
    Will do wagons closer to end of night when I get some time.
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  • posted a message on Bare Bones Mafia Basic #89 - Game over - Town and Huntzilla Win
    I guess I kind of understand what you're saying, but there's a lot of resistance to lynching you in the thread right now.
    I don't see that changing regardless of shadow's flip.
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  • posted a message on Bare Bones Mafia Basic #89 - Game over - Town and Huntzilla Win
    Why would you get lynched tomorrow if shadow is town?
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  • posted a message on Bare Bones Mafia Basic #89 - Game over - Town and Huntzilla Win
    Nevermind.
    But lynching shadow is terrible idea.
    I can't stop you, but I'm saying it again.
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  • posted a message on Bare Bones Mafia Basic #89 - Game over - Town and Huntzilla Win
    Quote from zomgarcwind »
    No one even interested in hearing my yolo plan?
    Sure, zomg, what's the yolo plan? If it involves lynching me or tom, I'm down, mostly because I don't know how much longer I can stand for this before I blow a gasket and tom's scum flip should at least be enough to get eco/vaimes off me/shadow.
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  • posted a message on Bare Bones Mafia Basic #89 - Game over - Town and Huntzilla Win
    Quote from Ecophagy »
    @Silver: To be straight up honest, your look at Mindreaver really doesn't help support your position that you're not scumbuddies. You say the case is fundamentally correct, but shrug and say you think Mindreaver might not be scum anyway: note that you don't call him Town or anything, you just fencesit and say "could be scum, do not want to lynch" to keep your options open. What are your actual counterarguments? Obviously not that there's any evidence that Mindreaver cares about finding scum (because there isn't any), but instead you point at stuff like #291, which you immediately discredit ("literally every person he said re-evaluated is still trying to lynch shadow"), and even for #391 "In which of the possible parallel worlds to the Twilight Zone does scum!Mindreaver take his best two mislynches and flush them over principles of good play?" it's pretty clear that even if you and Shadow ARE town, Mindreaver was putting his vote for convenience on lurker lynches with zero conviction.

    We can have this discussion in the post game, but you really need to learn how to bus, or at least have conviction when you're trying to town-read a buddy.
    This is literally what I'm talking about. At no time in this post does Eco even consider that I might be, you know, town and therefore not bussing or townreading a buddy. My point on Mindreaver is that I don't think that's alignment indicative for him, right now, in this game. I want him to post more and I think he's going to do that.

    Like, I get it. You have conviction in your reads. But you're wrong. I don't know how else to tell you that. It's written everywhere in the thread for you to see. I literally don't know what else I can do or how else I can say it. If this was bussing there would be conviction. At least fake conviction. Because I would know he was scum. I don't, so I have no conviction in the read. Like, tom and Vaimes are assuming I'm pro scum, and you're assuming I'm terrible scum. It's not even entered any of your minds that you might be wrong.

    Sorry, but you are.
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