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This game I'd probably hazard has full flips just because Arkham had them, but I'd rather be safe than sorry

Giving Nacho a chance to retract the CC is also a thing I guess but this close to deadline with a bunch of players V/LA our options are pretty slim anyway

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She left out which seasons her abilities are usable in

Might as well get it out there if she's town in case flips aren't full flips

Excuse me, what.

What do you mean, what?

There's a chance we don't get full role flips and I'd like to see her role in full for set up gaming purposes post mass claim.

If she's town she should claim the seasons her abilities are usable in. If she's a wolf she probably won't either way.

You guys don't do full roleflips here? How much of a role flip is typical?

Role name + alignment is basically guaranteed in nonbastard games. Full flips are... I don't want to say they're standard but they're usually in place, just not guaranteed especially in a game with Masons. When I ran Dark and Stormy Night I wrote the role PMs in a way that prevented me from doing full flips because the mafia had a back up and redacting the role PM would have left that role with just name+alignment anyway, so I wrote the role names to be clear what the role was and just flipped alignment+role name.

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She left out which seasons her abilities are usable in

Might as well get it out there if she's town in case flips aren't full flips

Excuse me, what.

What do you mean, what?

There's a chance we don't get full role flips and I'd like to see her role in full for set up gaming purposes post mass claim.

If she's town she should claim the seasons her abilities are usable in. If she's a wolf she probably won't either way.

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KCC didn't claim the seasons her abilities are connected to. Which, honestly, if she were town, she would have done by now anyway.

This is... maybe a thing, yeah

We'll find out once everyone's ready I suppose

I'd like to check the wagons to see what I think of wolf!KCC worlds but doing spreadsheets is hard on a phone lol

She left out which seasons her abilities are usable in

Might as well get it out there if she's town in case flips aren't full flips

Wooot hi Proph!

Kind of curious what mechanics related thing could have even happened but willing to let it lie for the Day at least, I suppose

KCC should just full claim now, yeah, this close to deadline at L-3 and been CC'd, no reason not to

I mean, if this is an instance of "two seasonal roles and each has a roleblock but other abilities are different" then I'm not actually convinced it *is* much different from the Arkham thing. Especially if the roleblocks happen in different seasons, as an example of something I think Nacho might counter claim but that I could see being on two town roles.

Would also like to hear this shadow/Jack slot read, clearing that slot somehow would be ace.

Like I'm pretty sure Iso botched a CC as town that game too, on the same role no less, so you'll have to forgive me if I don't just automatically trust CCs in specialties even when the player is really experienced

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Nothing on your skill/experience but you said you looked at DV's last set-up, which was Arkham, and I distinctly remember a similar scenario happening D1 in that game and both roles were town and you didn't mention it but I thought it might be relevant.

If you don't think it is, that's fine I guess, like I said hard to judge without seeing your role and knowing why you think it's a CC, but it's... well, a thing worth bearing in mind.

Yeah, I dunno, I wouldn't bet on there being no overlap between roles. If it's almost ability-for-ability then maybe but without Nacho's actual claim it's hard to assess (not ~sure~ Nacho should actually claim since KCC lunch seems inevitable due to inertia/deadline)

But I vaguely remember Arkham Horror having two roles that remove items from the game, for example, and the "item vaulter" CC'd the "item destroyer" on that basis but they were both town lol

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Spicy. Can you explain?

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Not really spicy, it's pretty old news at this point. I haven't let go of my suspicions from gamestart. You don't remember?

I vaguely remember you wolf reading him for early game stuff but I think you're the only one wolf reading him. His recent posts haven't changed your read at all?

I've also got a case of the "don't feel strongly about current wagons, don't have any better ideas"

I'm not real fond of Grape's posts but I have a bad read that makes me think he isn't a wolf and that I probably shouldn't talk about (yet)

I don't really want to lunch KCC but feel pretty ambivalent about the other wagons

I could see myself lunching tom if he ends up being the KCC counterwagon but I'm just as happy to lunch ~most of the other people with wagons on them over her too

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I'd want wagons on Axel, Nacho, and you.

Spicy. Can you explain?

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I don't remember who townread him off "Silver fanning the flames on Mindreaver = sneaky no trust" or maybe I'm just making that up? But he also had Mindreaver as scummy so I'm not sure how that fits together. Like, he said that Silver was suspicious for avoiding responsibility for lynching Mindreaver by saying "we should get this over with" with the "we", but if he thinks Mind is scummy, I don't understand why avoiding responsibility for the lynch is a bad thing - it's only a bad thing after Mindreaver flips town.

That was me, sort of, it's more to do with being used to people thinking my tone is weird and his whole progression on me felt like he was doing that and using my handling of the mindreaver wagon to justify why he thought I felt weird.

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I think this comes down to whether scum would have to expect they'd be forced to claim over the course of the game. If they wouldn't expect that, then KCC being upfront about her role is towny. If they would, then she may have just been addressing something she sees as inevitable. I don't know enough about this site to know which one we're looking at.

Mass claims are pretty common here but usually not until lylo, I don't really see wolf!KCC claiming she has a wolfy role as a wolf in expectation of being forced to claim in maybe 4-5 game Days when she might be dead anyway, non wolf role cop may not exist or be dead before mass claim, if she wasn't thinking about role cops she'd be able to fake claim anyway, etc. etc.

Seems like a waste of what is likely one of the stronger wolf roles, to me anyway.

If she really does have a history of being run up like people were saying earlier then maybe she'd want to get out in front of it and town side with her night actions like Axel was saying but I don't think she was run up in Eurovision (the only game I've played with her) and she doesn't have a ton of games since she returned so I'm not really sure how much weight to give that scenario.