Magic Market Index for April 12, 2019
 
Magic Market Index for April 5, 2019
 
Magic Market Index for March 15th, 2019
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    Quote from ElectricEye »

    I don't buy the argument that Belcher suddenly becomes playable with Chrome Mox. It's still a glass-cannon deck, much like Griselbrand combo and Cheerios. These type of strategies tend to mulligan terribly and fold to commonly played sideboard effects


    I think his points stands. Modern Belcher is going to need a lot more than just Chrome Mox to become "playable." And when I say playable, I realize that everyone has a different definition. Some people believe that only UR Phoenix, Dredge, Amulet, Whir Prison, and Grixis Shadow are playable right now and I can't fault them for that line of thinking (yes, even with the 1 win that a Jund Titanshift deck did this weekend) We are talking about giving yourself the BEST chance, not just spiking a tournament with a deck that put you at a disadvantage from the start, even if you out tested all other 2,000 players at the GP.

    Even though many of us assume it, I don't think Wizards has ever said explicitly that Mox Opal to be close to a banning. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong here.

    But I do believe that your point also stands because Wizards seemingly does not want (and I say this loosely because honestly there isn't any proof) fast mana to be prevalent in Modern. I guess there technically is proof with Rite of Flame and Seething Song banned, but other cards are not banned. This is the most likely conclusion one can have.

    My point is that you can't blame someone for questioning the line of thinking - Chrome Mox won't get unbanned because of Belcher because Belcher has no relevance in the current meta and there is some percentage of players over 0% that don't believe Belcher to potentially be a problem if Chrome Mox is unbanned. My own opinion is that I don't think it currently should be unbanned, but I think it's close. I think 5 unbannings down the line, it SHOULD come off. I just don't know if that time period is 2 years or 22 years.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HF0_3hFMX-4&list=PL04lbfeNAaS8W-BSi1u7JHHM4YesThl2V

    This video is a few years old, but the point still stands. Belcher requires a certain amount of free fast mana to be consistent enough to be a real deck. There is a mono-green version now that's sort of a meme deck because it's capable of very quick kills, but it's inconsistent. Raising the number of free fast mana spells in the format from 8 copies to 12 greatly increases the consistency of this strategy, especially if they end up going with the London Mulligan. There is a very real possibility that adding Chrome Mox to the format makes Belcher consistent enough to be a real player in the meta, and do we really need another turn 1 or 2 deck in Modern? No, we don't.

    Even if it's not Belcher specifically, Chrome Mox would absolutely result in the format speeding up, because that's what free fast mana does. We need to go in the opposite direction, so Chrome Mox is a huge no-go for an unbanning.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    Quote from ElectricEye »
    Why is Chrome Mox still banned?

    It doesn't fit into any of the current top decks. Phoenix, Dredge, Humans, Spirits, Death's Shadow, Hardened Scales, Tron, UW control, Amulet, Rock, Jund, Burn, Whir Prison.

    The only deck it fits into is Ad Nauseam, and even there its awkward and probably worse than Spirit Guide. So can someone explain this to me? Are there any decks I am forgetting?
    Chrome Mox makes Modern Belcher a thing, and nobody wants that. Even if it wasn't for Belcher, think about what that card does. Fast mana only speeds decks up, and the decks that would most want something like this are fast combo decks. Does Modern really need to be faster and even more unfair than it currently is? No, it does not. So Chrome Mox would not be a good card to put into Modern.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    Quote from shadow2000 »
    Even if SFM is unbanned there is no way wizards ever reprints her in standard regardless of the power level of the equipment in the format at the time. Her being previously banned in standard is very different than her being banned in a non rotating format like modern
    Not that I think they'll actually print her in Standard, but SFM was actually fine in Standard until they printed Batterskull. If the equipment in the format isn't good, she's not even playable.

    Well I hope they know something about War of the Spark or Modern Horizons that we don't cause I don't see this being self corrected.
    Phoenix hasn't really been around that long. It took people a while to find that deck, so it's only been putting up results for like 3 months. People will figure out how to beat it. The players who play the deck probably already know what beats it. I remember when people thought GDS was unstoppable back in 2017. I had been playing the deck since right after the Jund version broke out in GP Vancouver because I love shoving blue cards into a good deck and making it a bad deck. Turns out the blue cards were actually good this time, though, lol. I knew the deck had some very serious vulnerabilities, though, and others who played it knew what its weaknesses were as well. It took the meta in general a while to figure that out, though. I remember so many people calling for bans, but they left it and people eventually figured out how to beat it.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    No changes was expected, and I think the right call. They shouldn't make any major changes to Modern until we get Modern Horizons. I've always been a firm unban proponent of SFM and Twin, but I want to wait until we see how the format looks after MH1. We all know that they'll never print an equipment on par with Batterskull into Standard, but they might in MH1. So, let's wait and see. Likewise with bans, things that are maybe too powerful right now very well might not be after MH1.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 21/01/2019)
    Yep, I'd say you really nailed it on the head. Faithless Looting has been in Modern for forever, and it was never a problem until now. WotC has been printing a bunch of graveyard payoff cards in recent years to make the graveyard a more active part of the game, but not a lot of answers to those things.

    What kind of effects could they staple graveyard hate onto to make it main deckable? Maybe something like a card that's a Shock that also exiles a card or two from a graveyard, or a modal card with graveyard hate along with effects that people often want main?
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 21/01/2019)
    Quote from idSurge »

    I thought I saw the most recent GDS is now running it while they search for the best way to dig for their limited threats? I saw that on Twitter by at least 2 GDS players on the SCG/GP grind.

    If I'm wrong, no worries.
    GDS plays like 1, or max 2, copies of Faithless Looting mostly because we're not allowed to play more than 4 Thought Scours. It's a worse Thought Scour for the purposes of powering out a turn 2 Angler, but it does have the added bonus of helping mitigate flood in the late game, which can be a serious problem for GDS.

    I would agree Modern should pick one. Either we want card selection to be good and thus card selection should be good in the color whose core is card selection or we dont want card selection to be good in such a case then Looting and to a lesser extent Stirrings should get banned cause Green and Red should not have better card selection then Blue if the color pie matters as much as guys like MARO claim. I am fine either way personally.
    I agree. I think it comes down to what you want the games to be like in Modern. If you have good card selection the games will often play out in similar ways, so you have less variety of gameplay, but on the other hand, if you don't have good card selection there are more non-games where one player's deck just doesn't function and he doesn't get to play Magic.

    I think I prefer having more card selection. I don't think non-games are good Magic from either side of the table, so I'm ok with losing some variety of gameplay if what we're losing is mostly poor games.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 21/01/2019)
    I really hope they don't make any more ban decisions before we get Modern Horizons. That set is probably going to cause some changes in the format, so I'd rather wait and see what happens with that than ban anything right now.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 21/01/2019)
    Maro also said on his blog that they had the Play Design team play testing this set in Modern. I'm hoping the overall effect is a small bump in power to some decks, but mostly cards that enable new archetypes.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 21/01/2019)
    Daze might be too good in decks like GDS and Phoenix right now, but keep in mind that we're likely to see a systematic upwards shift of the power level of the format with this set, so there's a good chance that it won't be too good when the dust settles.

    It'll also make unban discussions more interesting. Pretty much everyone here thinks SFM is already fine, and probably about 40% of us think Twin is fine. The format becoming more powerful almost certainly makes SFM even more ok than she already was. As for Twin, it depends on what a hypothetical Twin shell would get from this set. It'll be interesting to revisit when we see the actual cards.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 21/01/2019)
    I'm pretty pumped up for this set. A way to skip Standard and get needed cards directly into Modern is something we've all been asking for for years. It's also nice to see that they do listen to us. Cabal Therapist looks interesting in something like Dredge or Bridgevine. Could also work in a fair deck that makes tokens to sacrifice. Serra is very interesting. Obviously, the barrier to entry for a 4-drop is very high in Modern, but she might get there. There are decks that want Worship, and she's a main-deckable Worship that can't be removed. Worst case scenario, she's a 4 mana Serra Angel that leaves a planeswalker behind. She seems like she would go well in a Lingering Souls deck, or a creature deck that would want Worship.

    I think the card I'm most hoping for is Counterspell. I don't even think it would be a huge difference, but it would be nice to not have to play such a wide split of incredibly situational 2 mana counters and hope you have the right one at the right time. I'm excited to see what else they have for us in this set, this is going to be HUGE for the format!
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 21/01/2019)
    So, does this GP result solidify for anyone else that GB Rock is the best build of the GBx Midrange decks? I know people have been trying to force Jund for the past year, but the consistency and power you get from the two color manabase seems to be where it's at.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 21/01/2019)
    My guess is a supplemental set that's Modern legal, because we know there are cards they want to inject into Modern but don't want in Standard, like Counterspell. There's also a bunch of sweet cards from past supplemental sets that would be fun to have in Modern, even if they wouldn't be all that great, like Kaya, Ghost Assassin or Dak Fayden.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 21/01/2019)
    Containment Priest is a card that absolutely should be in Modern. It's an excellent answer for fair white-based midrange and/or control decks to all the graveyard shenanigans going on in the format. They keep printing so many threats that recur from the graveyard without giving us nice answers to that strategy, and Containment Priest would be a nice step in the right direction.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 21/01/2019)
    Anyone brewing with Vannifar? It feels like there's something there.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 21/01/2019)
    Hey, I actually enjoy Limited...
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • To post a comment, please or register a new account.