Has anyone tried taking the GBw Goyf deck from block and adapting it to Type II? Flagstones of Trokair is a lot more useful with the Rav lands, plus you get Loxodon Hierarch, which screws aggro over.
that you cannot tap it for mana when you play it, therefore, when you have only 2 lands and topdeck Terramorphic, you can't morph immediately, changing the plays you can make.
I tried to fit Calciderm and Quagnoth into the MD, as they are bombs against UGw goyf and Mono U, but their CCs were too high, plus I think the SB should be enough help in those matchups. Thoughts?
Is it still great to use? The only decks I can think of that it would be a bomb against would be GW goyf and Mono Red; all other decks have ways of dealing with it.
Many variations of this deck are reaching top 8's however I have a couple of observations about them. First as a generalization this deck has been combined/melded with U/B teachings in a lot of cases. See below for specific examples:
1) Nearly none of them run tarmogoyf.
Is this because he's just too easy to kill and we need more evasive win conditions? Is it better to run something else? What are the compelling arguments for running or not running goyf in this deck?
2) Shadowmage Infiltrator is present in many builds.
I think this is a good inclusion, and can definitely replace Foresee in Ruel's original build in addition to taking a Goyf slot if you decide to remove him from the deck.
3) Triskelavus + Academy Ruins has made it's way into a few builds as well.
This is a better win con than Tarmo in some cases, especially the long game.
4) Tolaria West is in a lot of builds for urborg and Academy Ruins digging.
Makes sense...
5) Temporal Isolation is often included for Mystic Enforcer as that additional teachings piece.
Thoughts?
Answers
1) I like Tarmogoyf because he's great against any aggro deck after a Damnation. With a playset of Careful Consideration in the deck, should be easy to pump your own Tarmogoyf anyway.
3) I still prefer Bogardan Hellkite over the Triskelavus & Academy Ruins package. We can tutor for the dragon, play in response to attack phase, etc. We really don't need the recursion against aggro anyway with all our hate geared towards them. Against control decks, it always comes down to the factory, so whatever creatures are in the deck are irrelevant.
4) If you run Ruel's list, Tolaria West isn't really needed. If you have cut some of the original drawing spells, then I guess 1-2 copies of the tutor land couldn't hurt.
If you're playing against a 7years old boy. They play triskelavus, then create 2-3 tokens. If we use take possession, they simply shoot at their own triskelavus, and then recur. If we take the land, we have to face his flying army, then he plays disenchant or his own take possession...
12 creatures
4x Augur of Skulls
4x Mystic Enforcer
4x Tarmogoyf
24 other spells
4x Call of the Herd
4x Chromatic Star
2x Phyrexian Totem
3x Slaughter Pact
4x Smallpox
4x Stupor
3x Sudden Death
24 lands
2x Flagstones of Trokair
4x Forest
4x Horizon Canopy
2x Plains
5x Swamp
4x Terramorphic Expanse
3x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
15 sideboard cards
4x Damnation
3x Extirpate
4x Psychotic Episode
4x Sunlance
I tried to fit Calciderm and Quagnoth into the MD, as they are bombs against UGw goyf and Mono U, but their CCs were too high, plus I think the SB should be enough help in those matchups. Thoughts?
Answers
1) I like Tarmogoyf because he's great against any aggro deck after a Damnation. With a playset of Careful Consideration in the deck, should be easy to pump your own Tarmogoyf anyway.
2) Shadowmage Infiltrator also works very well because UBx teachings can only deal with him via Damnation or Tendrils of Corruption. The only real bad thing about him is that he gets blocked all day by Urza's Factory tokens.
3) I still prefer Bogardan Hellkite over the Triskelavus & Academy Ruins package. We can tutor for the dragon, play in response to attack phase, etc. We really don't need the recursion against aggro anyway with all our hate geared towards them. Against control decks, it always comes down to the factory, so whatever creatures are in the deck are irrelevant.
4) If you run Ruel's list, Tolaria West isn't really needed. If you have cut some of the original drawing spells, then I guess 1-2 copies of the tutor land couldn't hurt.
5) Yeah, it could definitely fit one MD or SB.
Take Possession has split second...