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  • posted a message on Fun With Twinning Staff?
    If I control a Twinning Staff and cast Twincast from the top of my library using Melek, Izzet Paragon to copy Counsel of the Soratami, I know I get a copy of Twincast from Melek plus an additional time because of the Staff.(Note: the Twincast was cast from the top using Melek. The target of the copy is Counsel. The wording was weird, I noticed)

    My question is, when the original Twincast and the two copies resolve and all copy Counsel of the Soratami, does Twinning Staff copy the 3 Twincast copies of Counsel 3 additional times, producing 6 copies plus the original?
    Posted in: Magic Rulings
  • posted a message on Janky Clone Combos?
    Let’s say I cast Phyrexian Metamorph and have it enter as itself while Master Biomancer is out, so it lives via the +1/+1 counters. Then I copy the Metamorph using Sakashima the Impostor, making a legendary Phyrexian Metamorph. Then I equip it with Helm of the Host and go to combat, producing a nonlegendary Sakashima token that’s copying the Metamorph. Then, as it enters the battlefield, I have the Helm-produced copy of the Sakashima/Metamorph enter as a copy of Helm of the Host.

    Is the copy a nonlegendary Helm, or does it become legendary when it copies the Helm despite being created with the Helm’s “nonlegendary” effect?
    Posted in: Magic Rulings
  • posted a message on Kediss +Malcolm?
    If I have Kediss, Emberclaw Familiar in play and hit an opponent with Malcolm, Keen-Eyed Navigator in a 4-person multiplayer game, would I get a treasure for each opponent or just 2 treasures(one each for Malcolm doing combat damage and the Kediss trigger)?
    Posted in: Magic Rulings
  • posted a message on Elder Mastery + Nekusar + Two-Headed Giant
    But both people on that team would draw a card, which would deal damage to that individual. So does that mean each of them would just discard two for each card discarded?
    Posted in: Magic Rulings
  • posted a message on Elder Mastery + Nekusar + Two-Headed Giant
    I was playing an EDH two-headed giant game with Nekusar, the Mindrazer as my commander. I enchanted him with Elder Mastery so they discard two cards whenever they take damage. Would they discard 4 cards each for Nekusar’s damage or discard 8 since they technically both take the damage since they share a life total?
    Posted in: Magic Rulings
  • posted a message on Mirri vs Tilonali’s Summoners
    If my opponent has Mirri, Weatherlight Duelist out and I swing and pay like 10 mana into Tilonalli's Summoner, do the tokens still enter attacking despite Mirri’s ability or would the tokens not be able to attack?
    Posted in: Magic Rulings
  • posted a message on Deterrent Cards
    I’m making a Blue/Black/White commander deck where the concept is deterring my opponents from attacking me by punishing them or preventing them from doing so either by getting a benefit myself, hurting them, or just making them pay mana. At the same time, I want to encourage them to attack each other rather than attacking me.


    Any suggestions?
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on Oko, Thief of Crowns + Clones
    Quote from peteroupc »
    When an effect has one object "enter the battlefield as a copy" of another object, the first object enters the battlefield with the second object's copiable values (C.R. 706.2). These copiable values, however, don't include effects (including effects of the form "becomes a [characteristic]" as found in Polymorphist's Jest and Oko's second ability), with one exception being copy effects (C.R. 706.2). In this respect, compare Oko's second ability and Polymorphist's Jest with Mirrorweave, which says "becomes a copy...", which does express a copy effect.

    Note also that if an artifact that's normally an artifact becomes a creature due to Oko's second ability, it will no longer be an artifact (C.R. 205.1a; compare that ability with Tezzeret the Seeker's last ability, which says "Artifacts you control become artifact creatures...", which expresses an effect that does leave the permanents' prior card types untouched [C.R. 205.1b]), but even so, the artifact type will still be part of the permanent's copiable values (C.R. 706.2; see also C.R. 613.1, 613.1a), which copy effects such as Clone's can generally access.


    So basically, it does work as roundabout artifact copy?
    Posted in: Rumored Card Rulings
  • posted a message on Quicksilver Fountain + Extraplanar Lens
    Does Quicksilver Fountain change the land TYPE into an island or does the land’s name also become Island? Does Extraplanar Lens pair with this card so the “transformed” lands tap for extra mana?
    Posted in: Magic Rulings
  • posted a message on Followed Footsteps vs Darksteel Mutation
    Quote from MadMageQc »
    Quote from Avanoh »
    So I know that in the case of Clone, cards like Darksteel Mutation don’t prevent it from copying what a creature originally was. But does that same rule apply to Followed Footsteps? If I put it on a creature that was made a 0/1 with the Mutation, do I get copies of the insect or copies of the original creature?
    The same rules apply. Followed Footsteps is a copy effect the same as Clone. You copy only what's printed on the original, no effects that are currently modifying the original's characteristics are copied, with the exception of other copy effects (for example, if the creature you enchant with Followed Footsteps is a Clone that's currently a copy of something, the tokens you get are that something, not fresh Clones that can copy anything).


    That’s what I was hoping for. I was looking at the new Oko, Thief of Crowns second ability and was wondering about using this to abuse it with Clone effects. Thank you for your answer!
    Posted in: Magic Rulings
  • posted a message on Followed Footsteps vs Darksteel Mutation
    So I know that in the case of Clone, cards like Darksteel Mutation don’t prevent it from copying what a creature originally was. But does that same rule apply to Followed Footsteps? If I put it on a creature that was made a 0/1 with the Mutation, do I get copies of the insect or copies of the original creature?
    Posted in: Magic Rulings
  • posted a message on Oko, Thief of Crowns + Clones
    So the +1 ability for the new Oko, Thief of Crowns cards in the upcoming set says “Target artifact or creature loses all abilities and becomes a green Elk creature with base power and toughness 3/3.” I know with Clone and similar cards, if a creature becomes something other than what it originally was(with Polymorphist's Jest for example), the Clone copies it’s original state(so if you Clone the 1/1 frog that was originally a Grizzly Bears, the clone would enter as the Grizzly Bears instead of the frog).

    The question here is, would it work the same way with this new planeswalker? If so, couldn’t you use it with Clone-type cards to copy artifacts instead of just creatures?
    Posted in: Rumored Card Rulings
  • posted a message on Dreadhorde Arcanist+Narset’s Reversal
    Quote from willdice »
    Quote from kicks_422 »
    This works the same way with [[Kess, Dissident Mage]], right? I can cast a spell from the graveyard with Kess, then Reversal it to bring the spell back to my hand instead of having it exiled?

    Kess, Dissident Mage

    Yes, same thing. The spell is only exiled if it would be put into a graveyard; you can return it to your hand with Reversal without exiling it.


    Man, I love when other people’s questions get answered on my threads. It’s satisfying to see other people learn things along with me.

    Informal spam warning issued. I understand your enthusiasm, but you're not adding relevant rules-related content and you're bumping up a nearly three weeks-old concluded thread. -MadMage
    Posted in: Magic Rulings
  • posted a message on End Step Effects and Ending the Turn
    Thank you for the quick reply and the clarity. I figured I was pretty good with most of the rules, but I always find things I'm never 100% on. Thank you again.


    I’m the same way. Even if I’m like 99.9% sure on things, a lot of times I make a post to double check so that I can use it as a reference if someone I’m playing with says otherwise. And if I’m wrong, then I just learn something new. For example, I made a Clone based deck revolving around Riku of Two Reflections and when I first started playing it, I hated hexproof until I found out Clones aren’t affected by it because it’s choose and not target.
    Posted in: Magic Rulings
  • posted a message on Shapesharer+Clones
    If Shapesharer is copying a creature and I make a Clone enter as a copy of it, would the Clone be Shapesharer or whatever Shapesharer is copying? From my understanding, it’d be Shapesharer because Clones don’t copy until end of turn effects but Clones also copy other Clone effects so I want to double check rather than assume.
    Posted in: Magic Rulings
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