Islamist terrorists CANNOT be defeated with platitudes about hate. I wish you were right, and I was wrong. Smart and tough action, or liberty dies.
You're lecturing other people on platitudes when you are posting a meaningless platitude in your own post.
"Islamist terrorists CANNOT be defeated with platitudes about hate." They also can't be defeated by a damn immigration ban for the reasons that have already been stated: (A) there are easier ways to get into the country, and (B) an immigration bans wouldn't have stopped Orlando from happening.
Clearly you didn't bother to take into account what my post was saying, you just quickly responded because you wanted to get the last word in, as opposed to contributing something meaningful to promote rational discourse.
"Smart" action requires actually reading the criticisms of others toward a particular policy, understanding their points, thinking about what they're saying, and giving informed responses that demonstrate actual thought.
And I understand that thinking is hard and it's much easier to respond to something without thinking. But if you're not going to be bothered to take the time to think, then you shouldn't bother to take the time to vote. (Not that I actually believe you're of voting age, I'm just saying that in general.)
People here should spend less time condescendingly attacking me and Trump and those with different perspectives, and MORE time sharing possible solutions.
I have shared dozens of interesting and insightful links in recent weeks, and yet the vast majority of responses here are inciteful and/or unhelpful. Sad panda.
Milo Yiannopoulos breaks it down, like the fab genius that he is:
What? I was under the impression that if you wanted to make big money, politics was not the place to do so. How do they profit from violence?
How about cushy committee jobs and speaking assignments at various corporations and banks.
Anderson Cooper:”But did you have to be paid $675,000 [for three speeches to Goldman Sachs]?”
Hillary Clinton:”Well, I don’t know. That’s what they offered."
Some observers believe it was Hillary doing the offering, and that she is not truthful about her Wall Street speaking fees. Material on her website suggests $225,000 as her minimum, with $225,000 for 34 of 41 speeches. Mrs. Clinton’s fees for the remaining speeches were at even higher prices. In total, she received $9,680,000 for these speaking engagements in 2013.
Everyone with an IQ above that of a pebble knows that most high level polticians get filthy rich stealing from we the people. Pretending otherwise is goofy.
I'd agree with him, that they're a death cult that uses extreme moralistic worldview with the lens of violence to solve the world's problems by framing everything in a Manichean framework suited for the elites of the group. It doesn't matter who leads the Swarm, it only matters that the Swarm exists at this point.
The "Death Cult" was main stream U.S. politicians. :SkepticalFace:
Mainstream politicians commit minor evils; enriching themselves from their positions of power, nepotism, ignoring the poor, supporting existing institutions that are doing harm because they also do something positive for someone.
Donald J. Trump may not be that person. Or, he might be exactly that person taken to the extreme. In fact. The first sentence in this paragraph was a lie.
Super interesting that you chose to focus on relatively small problems, instead of all the wars that R and D politicians keep starting.
Iraq. Afghanistan. Syria. Iran. Libya. Etc, etc, etc... National security run through a server in a podunk bathroom, allegedly because HRC is "only" incompetent.
So of course Trump, wasting no time to go be a douchebag, renews his call for a Muslim immigration ban, saying that the attacks were perpetrated by man born in Afghanistan.
Nevermind the fact that the shooter was a US citizen born in New York. Who cares about facts? He's Muslim, and he's brown enough to get the xenophobes worried, let's go fearmongering like it's Halloween and we're trick-or-treating.
Let us just reflect on the fact that someone can react to a senseless tragedy caused by someone who acted out of hatred by advocating that our problem is we don't hate Muslims enough, that we need to hate more because this is surely the proper solution to the problem of hate, and we aren't even surprised, because at this point, we are used to this.
Islamist terrorists CANNOT be defeated with platitudes about hate. I wish you were right, and I was wrong. Smart and tough action, or liberty dies.
While checking into my hotel a bit north of downtown Seattle tonight--on a business trip--I listend to Rachel Maddow spew pure propaganda about Mr. Trump.
Maybe she is NOT aware that Youtube, and many other sites, allow billions of people to avoid her "creative journalism" and acquire nuggets of truth.
MuriKa is a YUGE nation of >320 million human beings. The level of hubris required to believe that MuriKa can be guided to paradise by a handful of elites with force, theft, and corruption is PROFOUND. I will notify Ripley's Believe It Or Not first thing in the AM.
I wonder what the corresponding hubris level for believing that a single corrupt, thieving elite businessman can guide us to paradise is.
Please quote even one instance of me stating that Trump, or anyone else, can guide MuriKa to paradise. Good luck.
Assault rifle
: any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles with large capacity magazines designed for military use
Enlightening. The inference is that you might think yet another policy and/or law is needed. How many 100s of thousands of pages of that already hovers over us?
Mr. Trump just needs to keep exercising his 1st Amendment right to free speech. Inspire millions to swing for the fences. Rude, crude, and bad attitude FTW.
So it's an empty and meaningless promise, and nothing will change, but you've fallen for it anyway. Got it.
MuriKa is a YUGE nation of >320 million human beings. The level of hubris required to believe that MuriKa can be guided to paradise by a handful of elites with force, theft, and corruption is PROFOUND. I will notify Ripley's Believe It Or Not first thing in the AM.
I do admit that I fell for the empty and meaningless promises of modern false priests (politicians and such) prior to taking the red pill 5-6 years after 9/11/01.
The liberty to NOT be bullied any longer by the PC police is noteworthy.
What specific policy or law do you believe Trump will implement that will bring about that supposed liberty?
Enlightening. The inference is that you might think yet another policy and/or law is needed. How many 100s of thousands of pages of that already hovers over us?
Mr. Trump just needs to keep exercising his 1st Amendment right to free speech. Inspire millions to swing for the fences. Rude, crude, and bad attitude FTW.
For starters, the liberty to NOT be forced to pay for illegal immigrants. I voluntarily give of my time and wealth to help peeps in my community, both legal and illegal folks. I GREATLY resent having money taken from my checks for the express purpose of buying votes that will result in even more illegals and thus even less liberty for millions of American citizens. It is immoral for me to take 10% of your increase--against your will--and give it to the church of my liking. Thus it is immoral for you to take my money by force and use it to fund your preferred pet projects.
Establishment politicians--R and D alike--will continue to enrich themselves at the ultimate expense of everyone else. #VisionFTW
Ok.
What else?
What other liberties did Trump promise his supporters besides what you mentioned above?
One last time =D
What other liberties did Trump promise his supporters besides what you mentioned above?
I simply don't have enough time or energy to chase down every single path that someone points me towards on this site.
The liberty to NOT be bullied any longer by the PC police is noteworthy.
Trump is very difficult to classify. He is a hodgepodge of ideas from left of center, center, right of center, and right.
The following website contains some additional bits o' information:
"Today, as Americans, we grieve the brutal murder... uh, horrific massacre of dozens of innocent people. We pray for their families, who are grasping for answers with broken hearts. We stand with the people of Orlando..."
--Masterfully done. I genuinely believe he means every word, and that he is deeply saddened by this terrorist attack. Respect increased.
"This was an act of terror, and an act of hate."
--His cautious use of terms is wise at this juncture, and it is reasonable to acquire more facts before 100% linking this with Islamist terrorism.
"...and we will go wherever the facts lead us."
--THAT would be a fundamental transformation. Politicians tend to be fantastic spin artists, so my snarky comment does NOT just apply to BHO.
Speaking about 1st responders and law enforcement, BHO said: "We can never thank them enough."
--VERY well said! His body language, tone, and words have overall been authentic and superior.
Speaking about the nightclub, POTUS said: "It was a place of solidarity and empowerment."
--Fair enough. Adults were there to have a pachanga, which is perfectly fine as long as everyone consents. Superbly said by Obama, IMO.
"The shooter was, apparently, armed with a handgun and a powerful assault rifle."
--"Assault rifle" is a non-precise term used with the hope that an emotional and/or irrational reaction will be triggered.
"This massacre is, therefore, a further reminder of how easy it is for someone to get their hands on a weapon that lets them shoot people in a school, or in a house of worship, or a movie theater, or in a nightclub. And we have to decide if that is the kind of country we want to be. And to actively do nothing is a decision as well."
--Gun control did not work in Paris. And it has not worked in Chicago. Failsauce in Fort Hood Texas. No luck in San Bernardino either. It did not work in a school in Connecticut, or a house of worship in South Carolina, or a movie theater in Colorado, or a nightclub in Orlando. It is almost as if the nutjobs and terrorists don't obey the law! The vast majority of American citizens are convinced that violent criminals will NOT obey new gun control laws. The idea that all of our current gun control laws can somehow be equated "to actively do(ing) nothing" is beyond absurd. Taking guns away from law-abiding citizens will shift the balance of force towards violent criminals AND towards the popo. Mr. Obama is suggesting we take a step towards a dystopian future in which criminals and cops will be able to operate with even LESS interference by law abiding citizens. More lives will be lost than saved in that dire scenario. No thanks.
You come across as angry at me for pointing out the dad's incorrect statement. Weird.
That's not even close to what you said. You clearly attributed the "nothing to do with religion" opinion to the "MSM", not to the dad. Don't pull a Trump and retcon your crazy to sound more palatable after you've been called on it -- it's not going to work here.
You then reference a different case in which you feel the shooter's wife made an incorrect statement. Pot meet kettle.
You claimed that the media would act differently if the shooter weren't Muslim. I posted evidence proving they act the same way when the shooter isn't Muslim. Now you say I'm a hypocrite for demonstrating that your claim is incorrect? The only hypocrite here is the one who is suddenly changing his story.
Your claim that "pointing out the religious angle" was met is correct. But my entire statement was actually the following: "I 100% guarantee that if a fundamentalist christian had committed these horrific acts, the MSM would literally NEVER stop pointing out the religious angle." Now do you discern the difference between what I said and what you pretended that I meant?
I can't parse the qualifier "literally NEVER stop" literally, because the media is pretty definitely going to stop doing whatever it does at some point, and I think even you know that. So no. I have no idea what you mean, because your language is not communicating what you mean.
After the terrorist attacks in Paris, terrorists were blamed. After this terrorist attack, guns are blamed. Curious.
Who's blaming guns? The news coverage is talking an awful lot more about ISIS and terrorism right now. Stop attacking fake opinions, dude!
I do not perceive that you are interested in the truth. If you don't want to discuss a political topic, I certainly won't force you to do so. Many politicians have chimed in on this ISIS inspired terrorist attack, including HRC and DJT. Not sure why you are trying to pretend I am some kind of bully forcing this matter into the national debate. I attended my first meeting at 0600 today, and I got up at 0500 to prepare accordingly. That means I knew about this terrorist attack for >7 hours before I posted here. I realize this story is not politically expedient, but this is the reality of the world we live in. I took the red pill about 5 years after 9-11-01, and I have no regrets. Intenionally not joining you in the quagmire of nitpickery. Yar hamu-ka-Llâh.
If "this has nothing to do with religion", what prompted a 29 year old US citizen to go on a shooting rampage at a gay nightclub?
I 100% guarantee that if a fundamentalist christian had committed these horrific acts, the MSM would literally NEVER stop pointing out the religious angle.
Jesus, dude, it takes less than a sentence for you to turn this into political ammunition.
For the record, if the shooter had been a Christian, I'm pretty sure the MSM would still quote the father of the shooter saying it had nothing to do with Christianity. Not because that statement is true, but because he's the father of the shooter. Do you want to know why I'm so sure of this? Because when an angry white guy shot two Muslims in Chapel Hill last year, the media quoted the shooter's wife as saying it had nothing to do with religion and was instead a parking dispute, even though that was highly unlikely.
I'm also pretty sure that reporting the shooter pledged allegiance to the Islamic State constitutes "pointing out the religious angle".
So not only are you turning this into political ammunition, you're twisting the truth to do it.
Trump was the first remaining presidential candidate to speak about the massacre, tweeting Sunday morning about the “really bad shooting in Orlando."
What is this, a race? First person to tweet about the bloodiest massacre on US soil since 9/11 wins?
1) No need to take the Lord's name in vain. Also, my first 2 sentences focused on all that are suffering due to this terrorist attack.
2) You come across as angry at me for pointing out the dad's incorrect statement. Weird.
3) You then reference a different case in which you feel the shooter's wife made an incorrect statement. Pot meet kettle.
4) Your claim that "pointing out the religious angle" was met is correct. But my entire statement was actually the following: "I 100% guarantee that if a fundamentalist christian had committed these horrific acts, the MSM would literally NEVER stop pointing out the religious angle." Now do you discern the difference between what I said and what you pretended that I meant?
5) Please stop twisting my opinion on a quoted comment, and then attacking that fake opinion.
6) This IS a political topic. I did not make it that way. Interesting line of attack on your part.
7) Again, please don't direct your angst at me just because I quoted part of an article from Politco. They said Trump spoke first, NOT me.
8) After the terrorist attacks in Paris, terrorists were blamed. After this terrorist attack, guns are blamed. Curious.
People here should spend less time condescendingly attacking me and Trump and those with different perspectives, and MORE time sharing possible solutions.
I have shared dozens of interesting and insightful links in recent weeks, and yet the vast majority of responses here are inciteful and/or unhelpful. Sad panda.
Milo Yiannopoulos breaks it down, like the fab genius that he is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7hvz2zk6Pc
Edit:
I just watched several vids and read several articles, each by a different person that is brand new to me.
This dude swears a TON, but he makes 5-6 good/great points in the last few minutes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sl0-GFX3BYg
Anderson Cooper: ”But did you have to be paid $675,000 [for three speeches to Goldman Sachs]?”
Hillary Clinton: ”Well, I don’t know. That’s what they offered."
Some observers believe it was Hillary doing the offering, and that she is not truthful about her Wall Street speaking fees. Material on her website suggests $225,000 as her minimum, with $225,000 for 34 of 41 speeches. Mrs. Clinton’s fees for the remaining speeches were at even higher prices. In total, she received $9,680,000 for these speaking engagements in 2013.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2016/02/09/hillarys-wall-street-speech-fees-hers-or-clinton-foundations/#529f54662325
Everyone with an IQ above that of a pebble knows that most high level polticians get filthy rich stealing from we the people. Pretending otherwise is goofy.
Iraq. Afghanistan. Syria. Iran. Libya. Etc, etc, etc... National security run through a server in a podunk bathroom, allegedly because HRC is "only" incompetent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S23A46cMlWA
First time seeing Mike Cernovich. Gonna have to check out Gorilla Mindset, when I finish my current reading list.
Have a fanastic week ladies and gents! I am fortunate enough to be in Seattle. So wonderfully cosmopolitan. Many interesting patients await.
Establishment R and D politicians, chosen by we the people for many decades, are the ones profiting from the insane cycle of senseless violence.
Sufficient numbers of we the people have FINALLY had enough of the status quo death cult, and that is EXACTLY why Trump is the R nominee.
Expecting a good result by voting over and over for the same type of politician is a form of insanity. Hail mary time.
While checking into my hotel a bit north of downtown Seattle tonight--on a business trip--I listend to Rachel Maddow spew pure propaganda about Mr. Trump.
Maybe she is NOT aware that Youtube, and many other sites, allow billions of people to avoid her "creative journalism" and acquire nuggets of truth.
Here is the transcript of Trump's actual speech:
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-addresses-terrorism-immigration-and-national-security
Assault rifle
: any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles with large capacity magazines designed for military use
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/assault rifle
The definition has changed. Nice political tactic. MSM says it a million times, the matrix alters the definition, and now humanity can be saved.
The Orlando Trigger
Posted June 13th, 2016 @ 8:27am in #Trump Clinton ISIS Orlando
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/145856730936/the-orlando-trigger
MuriKa is a YUGE nation of >320 million human beings. The level of hubris required to believe that MuriKa can be guided to paradise by a handful of elites with force, theft, and corruption is PROFOUND. I will notify Ripley's Believe It Or Not first thing in the AM.
I do admit that I fell for the empty and meaningless promises of modern false priests (politicians and such) prior to taking the red pill 5-6 years after 9/11/01.
Enlightening. The inference is that you might think yet another policy and/or law is needed. How many 100s of thousands of pages of that already hovers over us?
Mr. Trump just needs to keep exercising his 1st Amendment right to free speech. Inspire millions to swing for the fences. Rude, crude, and bad attitude FTW.
I quoted Trump. That comment was a political poke by Trump against the POTUS. Pretty basic stuff. Are you new to politics?
I simply don't have enough time or energy to chase down every single path that someone points me towards on this site.
The liberty to NOT be bullied any longer by the PC police is noteworthy.
Trump is very difficult to classify. He is a hodgepodge of ideas from left of center, center, right of center, and right.
The following website contains some additional bits o' information:
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/
"Today, as Americans, we grieve the brutal murder... uh, horrific massacre of dozens of innocent people. We pray for their families, who are grasping for answers with broken hearts. We stand with the people of Orlando..."
--Masterfully done. I genuinely believe he means every word, and that he is deeply saddened by this terrorist attack. Respect increased.
"This was an act of terror, and an act of hate."
--His cautious use of terms is wise at this juncture, and it is reasonable to acquire more facts before 100% linking this with Islamist terrorism.
"...and we will go wherever the facts lead us."
--THAT would be a fundamental transformation. Politicians tend to be fantastic spin artists, so my snarky comment does NOT just apply to BHO.
Speaking about 1st responders and law enforcement, BHO said: "We can never thank them enough."
--VERY well said! His body language, tone, and words have overall been authentic and superior.
Speaking about the nightclub, POTUS said: "It was a place of solidarity and empowerment."
--Fair enough. Adults were there to have a pachanga, which is perfectly fine as long as everyone consents. Superbly said by Obama, IMO.
"The shooter was, apparently, armed with a handgun and a powerful assault rifle."
--"Assault rifle" is a non-precise term used with the hope that an emotional and/or irrational reaction will be triggered.
"This massacre is, therefore, a further reminder of how easy it is for someone to get their hands on a weapon that lets them shoot people in a school, or in a house of worship, or a movie theater, or in a nightclub. And we have to decide if that is the kind of country we want to be. And to actively do nothing is a decision as well."
--Gun control did not work in Paris. And it has not worked in Chicago. Failsauce in Fort Hood Texas. No luck in San Bernardino either. It did not work in a school in Connecticut, or a house of worship in South Carolina, or a movie theater in Colorado, or a nightclub in Orlando. It is almost as if the nutjobs and terrorists don't obey the law! The vast majority of American citizens are convinced that violent criminals will NOT obey new gun control laws. The idea that all of our current gun control laws can somehow be equated "to actively do(ing) nothing" is beyond absurd. Taking guns away from law-abiding citizens will shift the balance of force towards violent criminals AND towards the popo. Mr. Obama is suggesting we take a step towards a dystopian future in which criminals and cops will be able to operate with even LESS interference by law abiding citizens. More lives will be lost than saved in that dire scenario. No thanks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiXjbvgF0ps
Overall a good statement by POTUS, but that one bit of illogic pushed him into the B+ range.
#PrayForOrlando
1) No need to take the Lord's name in vain. Also, my first 2 sentences focused on all that are suffering due to this terrorist attack.
2) You come across as angry at me for pointing out the dad's incorrect statement. Weird.
3) You then reference a different case in which you feel the shooter's wife made an incorrect statement. Pot meet kettle.
4) Your claim that "pointing out the religious angle" was met is correct. But my entire statement was actually the following: "I 100% guarantee that if a fundamentalist christian had committed these horrific acts, the MSM would literally NEVER stop pointing out the religious angle." Now do you discern the difference between what I said and what you pretended that I meant?
5) Please stop twisting my opinion on a quoted comment, and then attacking that fake opinion.
6) This IS a political topic. I did not make it that way. Interesting line of attack on your part.
7) Again, please don't direct your angst at me just because I quoted part of an article from Politco. They said Trump spoke first, NOT me.
8) After the terrorist attacks in Paris, terrorists were blamed. After this terrorist attack, guns are blamed. Curious.