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The Limited Archetypes of Dominaria
  • posted a message on How long has Jace been gone?
    Quote from SteamMage »
    Hey fellow vorthoses, I’m DMing a D&D campaign set in MTG and I need to know how long Jace was absent from his friends, from the ending of Hour of Devestation, to when he reunited with Gids on Dominaria.

    This would help me a lot, I imagine it to be 3 months but am not sure.
    I've asked this question in the past and 2 to 3 months is what the answer was. He spent at least a week on Useless Island, took a day hike to gage the Island's size, five to build his raft and gather supplies, one day he didn't do anything due to dispare, and spent several days building tools( at least three), four days at sea and on More Useless Island before Vraska found him. At least eight days after Vraska found him before the raid on the vampire ship, five days from their to High and Dry.Weeks from there to Ixalan's shores and a day or two to reach Orazca.

    So I've got a count of 28-29 for sure days, and a number of unknown weeks.


    From when he first woke up on Useless Island till Vraska found him was 40days.

    From The Talented Captain Vraska:
    The galley around them dissolved. Vraska remained seated in her chair, but now sat in a grove of bamboo taller than the masts of her ship. Jace sat in his chair, eyes aglow, and began an illusory summary of his last forty days. Vraska watched as bamboo changed to pristine sand. Rain sprinkled down on an imaginary fire and a very dead fish. She watched him learn to hunt and scavenge, build and survive. The gorgon sipped her tea and marveled at both the beauty of Jace's island and the plethora of things Jace had learned while he was there. He smiled as he showed her what he had learned and built. He clearly delighted in filling the empty gaps in his knowledge, and his enthusiasm was contagious. It was incredible that he constructed fish hooks, a platform, a raft. Vraska finished her tea by the end of the tour, and the island faded back to the familiar wood of the galley.


    So I'd say 2 months is the absolute minimum he could have been on the plane.
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on Dominaria General Discussion
    Your suggestion is based on the single assumption that the demons can't reach through planes.
    I would like to know how Jhiora has a Spark..in her pocket just carrying it around. Like..if you found that in the mana rig somehow and could identify it why wouldn't you Take it to the guy first thing instead of years later.



    I think it's implied in the fourth chapter that she would have used it to reactivate/replace the Weatherlight's powerstone if Tiana hadn't been able to get it functioning again.

    All that was left was the skyship's Thran metal skeleton, nearly two hundred feet long, and the bulky coils of its engines. The rest of its hull and interior had decayed away or been destroyed in the battle that had sent it to the bottom of the sea. Jhoira's mechanical owl flew over it, giving her an overhead view of the wreck through its eyes. It looks worse than it is, Jhoira thought. She touched the locket around her neck, reminding herself that she had options, if the ship's core was more damaged than she hoped.

    and
    "Well, it's still here," Hadi said dubiously.

    "That's a good sign," Tien added, standing on tiptoe to see the teardrop-shaped crystal. "Isn't it?"

    Jhoira wasn't so sure. The Powerstone seemed inert. It had been created by Urza, who had collapsed Serra's Realm into the stone. Which was the reason Tiana had been sent here; the stone was a sacred object for the Church, so they had wanted an angel present to oversee its reclamation, and to return it if it no longer functioned. Jhoira had a backup plan if the stone had been destroyed or drained, but it was something she would rather hold in reserve.
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on Dominaria General Discussion
    Quote from NZB2323 »
    Quote from OathboundOne »
    Quote from Yatsufusa »
    I really hope the Raven Man is a separate entity (whether Lim-Dul or not) and not just Doctor Jest 2.0. As I said before, I feel Liliana's story (and character) rather cliche and while it was initially fun to speculate, Bolas himself and his plans (being behind almost everything) is also starting to feel cliche and if the Raven Man is both of those combined I think the Raven Man will become the most boring thing I've actually read in hindsight. I'd rather the Raven Man be an impediment to Bolas's control over Liliana, but not to the Gatewatch's benefit either. Also, the Chain Veil is probably irrelevant "demon #5" at this point, Bolas has demonstrated it is effectively worthless against him and it has been proven both the Veil and the Raven Man were terrified (and most likely outmatched) of Emrakul. So basically Liliana is being "controlled" by a power-level of Veil < Raven Man < Bolas, but in three different directions at once... unless Emrakul did hijack into Liliana as well.

    It's a bit sad to say, but I think Jodah got the oldwalker treatment due to his immortality (yes I know he wasn't one and in fact hated them, but it just makes it even more ironic), except he's less arrogant and more of complacent instead (at least he went "Oh no" and was listening to solutions rather then "It's not my fault it's theirs" like some Sphinx did...), but it still seems all out-of-place.

    The whole artifact debacle is also rather confusing, because we don't have the timeline for Blackblade's arrival and there's a lot of dementia magic involved. Was Thom sent in after Blackblade arrived and he had the knowledge of Blackblade, or did he successfully sneak Blackblade out (to New Argive) and got abandoned, or did he sneak something else out (or failed to sneak something out) and had Blackblade overwritten as a disguise, or was he sent in before Blackblade, was mentally transmitted of Belzenlok acquiring the Blade and since he didn't sneak the artifact out, Blackblade was the only memory they could see? I feel like blaming Jodah for just saying "it's missing" without specifying what it is, because the wand could also just be anything...

    The story is well structured, but I can feel the missing-information-rifts when it comes to trying to associate old characters with new plotlines (Karn's refusal to speak to Jhoira, Jodah's relative carelessness, the artifact confusion), but even with that I really like Gideon & Liliana feel like they're two kids when placed beside these ageless characters. In a way it almost feels like they're saying "even complacent confused older characters are somewhat more mature than the young Gatewatch". Only Raff felt even younger, but hey the new Weatherlight crew are the actual kids of the story to start with...

    (emphasis mine)

    Occam's Razor would suggest that simply taking the stories in chronological order (with the timelines of Jhoira's recruitment mission and Tiana/Arvad's story overlapping) puts the delivery of the Blackblade to Belzenlok 2-3months ago, which is a good amount of time for Thom to know about it before infiltrating Tolaria West (particularly given that Belzenlok definitely doesn't seem the type to hide that he has it in his possession).

    The artifact Thom was stealing reasonably was the thus-far-unnamed wand. Because again, if Thom has succeeded in his mission of stealing Blackblade from Tolaria West why would he come back?


    He would go back to get another artifact, and act as a spy. That’s what spies do. Do you really think that Sorcerer’s Wand is the ancient, famous artifact Bolas wants to aggrandize himself? No, it’s Blackblade.


    Sure he might come back to the academy, but why would he come back to the scene of the crime? To the very room the investigation is going to take place in? There's no evidence pointing to his identity. Once you make a get away you don't go messing around the crime scene.

    And again, we know that the Blackblade was recovered from New Argive, not Tolaria West.
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on Dominaria General Discussion
    Quote from Yatsufusa »
    I really hope the Raven Man is a separate entity (whether Lim-Dul or not) and not just Doctor Jest 2.0. As I said before, I feel Liliana's story (and character) rather cliche and while it was initially fun to speculate, Bolas himself and his plans (being behind almost everything) is also starting to feel cliche and if the Raven Man is both of those combined I think the Raven Man will become the most boring thing I've actually read in hindsight. I'd rather the Raven Man be an impediment to Bolas's control over Liliana, but not to the Gatewatch's benefit either. Also, the Chain Veil is probably irrelevant "demon #5" at this point, Bolas has demonstrated it is effectively worthless against him and it has been proven both the Veil and the Raven Man were terrified (and most likely outmatched) of Emrakul. So basically Liliana is being "controlled" by a power-level of Veil < Raven Man < Bolas, but in three different directions at once... unless Emrakul did hijack into Liliana as well.

    It's a bit sad to say, but I think Jodah got the oldwalker treatment due to his immortality (yes I know he wasn't one and in fact hated them, but it just makes it even more ironic), except he's less arrogant and more of complacent instead (at least he went "Oh no" and was listening to solutions rather then "It's not my fault it's theirs" like some Sphinx did...), but it still seems all out-of-place.

    The whole artifact debacle is also rather confusing, because we don't have the timeline for Blackblade's arrival and there's a lot of dementia magic involved. Was Thom sent in after Blackblade arrived and he had the knowledge of Blackblade, or did he successfully sneak Blackblade out (to New Argive) and got abandoned, or did he sneak something else out (or failed to sneak something out) and had Blackblade overwritten as a disguise, or was he sent in before Blackblade, was mentally transmitted of Belzenlok acquiring the Blade and since he didn't sneak the artifact out, Blackblade was the only memory they could see? I feel like blaming Jodah for just saying "it's missing" without specifying what it is, because the wand could also just be anything...

    The story is well structured, but I can feel the missing-information-rifts when it comes to trying to associate old characters with new plotlines (Karn's refusal to speak to Jhoira, Jodah's relative carelessness, the artifact confusion), but even with that I really like Gideon & Liliana feel like they're two kids when placed beside these ageless characters. In a way it almost feels like they're saying "even complacent confused older characters are somewhat more mature than the young Gatewatch". Only Raff felt even younger, but hey the new Weatherlight crew are the actual kids of the story to start with...

    (emphasis mine)

    Occam's Razor would suggest that simply taking the stories in chronological order (with the timelines of Jhoira's recruitment mission and Tiana/Arvad's story overlapping) puts the delivery of the Blackblade to Belzenlok 2-3months ago, which is a good amount of time for Thom to know about it before infiltrating Tolaria West (particularly given that Belzenlok definitely doesn't seem the type to hide that he has it in his possession).

    The artifact Thom was stealing reasonably was the thus-far-unnamed wand. Because again, if Thom has succeeded in his mission of stealing Blackblade from Tolaria West why would he come back?
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on Dominaria General Discussion
    Quote from NZB2323 »
    Quote from dzonny »
    In the last scene, they say that Blackblade is already in Stronghold.


    Right, the spy(Thom) smuggled the Blackblade to the stronghold. They got information from the brain spell while interrogating him about the stolen artifact.


    Except Thom never left the tower after he snuck in (and if he was there to steal the Blackblade, and had managed to do so, why on earth would he come/be sent back?).

    Beyond that Episode One of the Domianria story specifies that Needle (the agent who brought the Blackblade in) was infiltrating New Argive, not Tolaria West.
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on "Weatherlight can no longer planeshift..."
    Quote from Etherium Sage »
    Quote from NZB2323 »
    Plot twist: the Weatherlight is in Bolas’s clutches and then he puts the planar bridge in it.


    Can the Planar Bridge portal fit the Weatherlight? It's big enough to fit the Immortal Sun and a standard Gearhulk, but the Weatherlight is much more massive than both.


    Just wanted to point out that we actually have no idea how big Tezzeret's/Bolas' version of the Planar Bridge is. The portal Rashmi built was destroyed by Chandra/Gideon, Tezz just stole its core. They would have had to build a new one, and could have made it any size they felt like.
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on Tweak The Card
    Dawntreader Acolyte 1WW
    Creature - Kor Cleric
    Whenever Dawntreader Acolyte blocks or becomes blocked by a creature you may pay 1WW. If you do prevent all combat damage that would be dealt this turn. You gain life equal to the total damage prevented this way.
    3/2
    Posted in: Custom Card Contests and Games
  • posted a message on Tweak The Card
    Aven Displacer 3WU
    Creature - Bird Wizard
    Flying
    Whenever ~ blocks or becomes blocked by a creature, put that creature on top of its owner's library.
    3/4
    Posted in: Custom Card Contests and Games
  • posted a message on The "I Like You" game
    Echoes of Creation 2(G/U)(G/U)(G/U)(G/U)
    Enchantment
    Whenever a creature enters the battlefield under your control you may draw a card.
    Whenever a creature enters the battlefield under an opponent's control you may draw two cards.
    Posted in: Custom Card Contests and Games
  • posted a message on Star of Extinction
    Ultimately Star of Extinction was just a top-down* design that made it into the set "because Dinosaurs." It has no real relevance to the storyline.


    *That is to say, a card that started off with the flavor concept (Asteroid causes extinction) rather then a design/story purpose that fit the set. I'm pretty sure that's top-down (rather than bottom-up), I might be confusing the two?
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on Dominaria General Discussion
    Quote from Huaojozu »
    In that case, why does Teferi consider his spark a potential curse when he Opts to respark? It seems as though getting the spark back comes with no strings attached other than the ability to planeswalk. He might as well just respark and go back to his old life - the only thing that would change is that he would then have a way to escape from pretty much any danger. Just because he can planeswalk, doesn't mean he has to.

    I'm hoping they really explore Teferi's thought process on whether to accept the spark or not (assuming he gets to make a decision and Jhoira doesn't just forces it in him - in which case the card probably wouldn't have been named Opt).

    It could be a moral thing.

    He could see it as "Being able to intervene (in inter-planar affairs) carries with it the responsibility to do so." He can't just get his spark back and then do nothing with it without feeling that that amounts to tacit approval of all the awful stuff happening out there.

    With respect to that line of thinking, having his spark back becomes a curse in that he simply can't carry on his life the way that he'd been doing.
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on Rite of Belzenlok
    Quote from Huaojozu »
    Quote from cyberium_neo »
    Hold on a second, those skeletons look familiar...

    Dirge of Dread?


    The staff is also pretty much the same. I would call it a nice throwback but since the 3 skeletons are literally copy-pasted and then mirrored, I'm just going to call it lazy.


    They're actually not. If you really look at it you can see that there are slight differences in their placement and fine details, both from one side to the other, and from the others on the same side as them.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Helm of the Host izzetmtg
    Quote from hxcnoel »
    Does this go infinite with Kiki-Jiki? Since the new token won't be legendary?


    Equip to Kiki-Jiki, get non-legendary copy of him, tap to copy the token, tap to copy token, tap to copy token, ad inifinitum.

    Looks solid to me.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Naban, Dean of Iteration .:. MtG Goldfish Preview
    Quote from Lumovanis »
    Quote from Etherium Sage »

    Hmm.........

    If you have Inalla in the command zone, and Naban on board:
    1.) Merchant of Secrets enters and triggers twice thanks to Naban.
    2.) You pay 1 to copy Merchant with Inalla's Eminence.
    3.) The copy "enters" and triggers twice thanks to Naban.
    4.) You draw 4 cards total with the double triggers of both Merchants.

    So yeah, four times. Replace Merchant with Snapcaster Mage, Sea Gate Oracle, Dualcaster Mage, Bloodline Necromancer, Archaeomancer, etc, and you can potentially drown your opponents in card advantage.


    Naban, just like Panharmonicon, only copies triggers from permanents you control. Inalla, while in the command zone, is not a permanent you control. She must actually be in play for panharmonicon or Naban to affect her trigger.


    He(she?) wasn't trying to duplicate Inalla's trigger. They were using Inalla's token copy to trigger the copied creature's triggered ability.

    With Naban on the field you cast a Wizard with an ETB.
    The Wizard hits the board and triggers both its own ETB (twice because of Naban) and Inalla's duplication ability (once because she's not on the battlefield).
    Inalla's ability gives you a token copy of the Wizard you cast.
    The token hits the board and its ability triggers, again, twice because of Naban.

    Etherium Sage isn't trying to copy Inalla's ability. They're using Inalla's eminence to get additional triggers off of the tokens she creates.

    Inalla never needs to be on the battlefield, if she were I believe you could actually get 6 triggers of each ETB Wizard. (Two from the original, two from the first copy and two from the duplicate copy.)
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Detailed Dominaria Map
    Quote from Kman »
    I think this map https://magic.wizards.com/sites/mtg/files/images/wallpaper/h3ivexmywY_DAR_2560x1600_Wallpaper.jpg is a little more high res because you can actually read the small print boxes. Might want to work off that.

    "At Madara the Elder Dragon Planeswalker Nicol Bolas dueled another Planeswalker, a demonic leviathan, to the death"

    "In the years following the destruction of the original Tolarian Academy, the students and professors dispersed and founded new academies across Dominaria"

    "Shiv is a large island isolated by a vast ocean. The calderas and vents of large submerged volcanoes have formed a ring of smaller islands around it"

    "---?--- was stripped here to fuel the machines of the brothers war, and Urza's Golgothian Sylex was detonated here"

    Fairly certain on these changes.^^

    No clue on the last one, but it starts with a T (compare to Tolaria). Tavidor? Teridour? I'm not that familiar with the specifics of the Dominaria storyline as I started playing with OG Mirrodin.
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
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