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  • posted a message on Modern Cheeri0s - Puresteel Equipment Storm
    Quote from Aremihc »
    ATTENTION: The Bird is broken. That is all.

    In all seriousness, T2 wins are EASY with T1 Bird... WOW.

    Could you elaborate a little?
    Posted in: Combo
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 10/02/18)
    Whatever arguments there may be for Force in Modern, it getting into Standard first borders on impossible. MaRo is on the record somewhere in Blogatog specifically stating the scenario that tapping out for your Planeswalker and still being able to protect it through Force is too much for Standard. This means that at minimum any new variant of it would have to be unable to counter spells targeting permanents you control - would people still want and play that?

    Speaking of drawbacks, how far would people be willing to go? 3 life is already cited as too much when referring to Anguished Unmaking
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on Full Buy-a-Box information (early delivery, and BAB Promo)
    While certainly possible, it may also be that they specifically did not want this ability to be able to target planeswalkers.

    I'm honestly more annoyed at the fact that they swore off of unique promo cards being unobtainable except for specific events like this after the Nalathni Dragon fiasco, and yet here we are.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 10/02/18)
    (For reference, I'm using MaRo's article on color pie mechanics)

    Let us look at the defining 2-drops of three of the colors in the format, and what they offer that makes them good
    Blue - Snaps - Flash is primary, spells out of graveyard is secondary. - Card Advantage, beats
    Black - Bob - "Devil's Deal" (power at a cost, on permanents - in this case, life for cards) is primary. - Card Advantage, beats
    Green - 'Goyf - "Lhurgoyf" creatures is primary - Ultra-efficient beats

    Let's compare with what we theoretically have for the others
    White - Original Thalia - "Taxing" and First Strike are primary - Beats (I don't know if taxing can be considered card advantage. Mana advantage?)
    Red - Pyro - "Friendly to instants and sorceries" and token generation, are secondary - Beats, Card advantage? (I suppose the token generation counts for that, right?)

    And specifically, the currently banned champion that's more or less accepted as the premier 2-drop of its color
    White - SFM - Tutor for artifacts, and putting artifacts from hand to field, are secondary - Card Avantage (could also list indirect beats)

    Interestingly, two of the three accepted premier 2-drops are primary in their color pie slice, and although his main ability is secondary, a good amount of Snapcaster's power comes from being able to flash him in (would anybody play him without Flash, I wonder?)

    Meanwhile, the red contender for the title is secondary in both abilities just like the accepted-but-for-now-banned white champ... but the white contender, Thalia, is actually primary in her color pie slice. I wonder if there's any truth to be gleaned from all this. I would venture a few comments...

    Due to how Wizards seems to regard SFM, perhaps the answer to "something better than Thalia" will have to come in the form of a new white 2-drop rather than SFM's unbanning.. Going by the currently accepted 3, we should look to what is primary in White to anticipate whether such a thing can exist.

    Just looking through the list, most of what primary white has going for it is very conditional/situational, with "Taxing", "Preventing Action" and "Rules-Setting" appearing to be the ones most likely to be strong on their own. From the secondary in white list (excluding what SFM already had), bouncing directly to library seems to be a good candidate for something really strong, but I can't imagine Wizards ever deciding to put that ability on a 2 cost creature.

    Interestingly, token generation is primary in white but "friendly to instants" isn't even tertiary, so at this point a colorshifted young pyro isn't doable; and even if it were, would anybody play that?

    For what it's worth, the defining element of two of the premier 2-drops currently available (and the banned white one) is card advantage of some sort, which poses an inherent problem since White isn't supposed to get it (perhaps that's part of the reason SFM is so good, and part of the reason why Thalia isn't quite there). A premier 2-drop in white, different from Thalia, would have to do card advantage to become a good contender, and barring color pie breaks or getting creative with the rest of white's colorpie, it feels very unlikely and does not bode well. The other path is for Wizards to print an ultra-efficient beater in White. Something stacked with keywords? I don't know. I suppose we can hold out hope for a colorshifted-Goyf, since the "Lhurgoyf" clause *is* tertiary in white...

    Not gonna go for stuff regarding Red right now. With that said, MaRo is on the record somewhere in saying that if Snapcaster were printed today, it'd be Red. Just imagine the possibilities!
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on Phyrexian Scriptures .:. The Look of Sagas
    MaRo is on the record on Blogatog that while it was considered, gameplay with the Sagas was better without them being Legendary.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Ixalan General Discussion
    Quote from Kman »
    Thats the part I dont quite understand. Why do/ the storiess AFTER the set is spoiled? Shouldnt it be the other way around?

    MaRo is on the record saying that they can't do this because the stories from the block that comes after would steal the spotlight from the current set.
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on GP Lyon Discussion
    R/G Eldrazi has won the finals vs Abzan, 2 games to 1. Double Reality Smasher lethal vs Bob + Double 'Goyf, with one 'Goyf getting hit with Dismember to push the necessary damage.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Changing how the forums are structured - Looking for community feedback
    Option 2. Why is there no poll for this thread?
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 15/01/18)
    Hard to be sure just how it will impact their decisions, but Wizards is absolutely wary and aware of Lantern, to the point that they specifically didn't want to unable Sword of the Meek out of fear that it would turn the deck into an unstoppable monstrosity. Make of that what you will.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on Pro Tour Rivals of Ixalan Modern Discussion
    Wow Thalia just eviscerated Burn, lol.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Banned and restricted list updates
    Quote from Billiondegree »
    Wait, was Ferocidon really designed after Cat-blink was discovered? I thought sets are designed way further in advance than that and Cat-blink was admittedly not discovered until the full set was spoiled.

    MaRo said on Blogatog that at the moment it's possible to make minute changes to this year's fall set. Ferocidon likely wasn't as souped-up as it is now, but they had time to add small stuff (maybe the damage per creature etb clause, which does indeed stop Cat Blink in its tracks).
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on State of Standard Thread: bans, format health, metagame, rotation, etc!
    Look at that data. Ramunap Red had 60% winrate against everything save energy, good god.
    Posted in: Standard (Type 2)
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (Rules Update 27/10/17)
    Quote from Lord Seth »
    Quote from Pokken »
    Blue decks have been posting results with mana leak and logic knot, so I don't really blame wizards for being cautious. And also having to wait for a standard environment where it's not an issue to print something like that. There was a pretty big chunk of standard recently where even mana leak would have been a problem (torrential gearhulk driven shenanigans).
    There haven't been any real Standard environments where it'd be a problem to print Mana Leak, except for maybe those where Snapcaster Mage was around and even there the problem was Snapcaster Mage. You cite "Torrential Gearhulk driven shenanigans" but why? As far as I can remember, Torrential Gearhulk decks were never the best in Standard. They weren't the best after Kaladesh was released, they weren't the best after the bannings, they weren't the best after the second round of bannings, and weren't the best after the third round or in the present. Sure, the card will sometimes sneak into good decks, but only as a 1 or 2-of and it usually isn't played at all. Torrential Gearhulk was never a big player in Standard. Maybe the argument is that with Mana Leak it would've been, but that seems speculative and I don't think would've risen them up to be a clear best deck.

    It's actually pretty possible counterspell would have been fine in both the Emrakul and Vehicles standards, just not the Saheeli one.
    How would it not have been just fine in the Saheeli Standard? I suppose the argument might be it'd put Saheeli over the top, but Saheeli was already way over the top. So at most, Counterspell would've taken a problem that was so big it was banworthy... and kept it banworthy.

    As I recall, we did have a high profile final (think it was a Pro Tour?) featuring a control mirror (Shota on Blue-Red I think) that used Gearhulk. While it was really interesting/awesome to watch, I can only assume WotC was less than pleased with the fact it happened. They put LSV to explain almost literally every single play and minutiae to try and keep the audience up to speed. One of the games ended because somebody ran out of threats and conceded while holding a seemingly advantageous field, which is the kind of thing not-as-hardcore viewers probably can't parse and not the kind of gameplay Wizards envisions as good.

    With this said, I don't think the deck took off after said incident...
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on [RIX] Rivals of Ixalan: Modern discussion
    Oppo-caster has graced us with its presence. Will it make the cut?

    For reference, 2/1 First Strike Human Pirate for 1R, no flash, SnapCaster clause on opponent's graveyard while letting you pay for it with any color of mana.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Iconic Masters ignores the first half of Magic
    For what it's worth, MaRo has confirmed that they messed up by choosing that name.

    I'm not sure how they expected people not to interpret it the way it has been.
    Posted in: Magic General
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