Hey all, I'm new to the deck and am currently hammering out a deck for FNM this week, just had a few questions. A lot of lists seem to run a top-end threat that isn't dependent on the graveyard, like Elspeth, Sun's Champion or Lyra Dawnbringer. Do you guys run one/think they're important for the deck? Which ones do you guys run/consider worth running? I haven't seen any lists with God-Eternal Oketra yet (probably in part cause she's new), but she seems really good. How many titans do you guys run? I've seen lists with as few as 2 and as many as 4 and I'm not sure how many is correct
Has anyone tried/thought of trying this combo or the similar familiar's ruseeternal witness combo in a more delveresque shell? I've been toying with the concept because I can't afford aether vials and that variant of the deck probably wouldn't use them. You could run 12 cantrips (opt,serum visions, and thought scour) to help negate the possibility of drawing the wrong half of the deck, and for threats you could use hooting mandrils and young pyromancer (alongside delver of course), both of which benefit greatly from the high cantrip count. The downside of having too much air in the deck could largely be mitigated by the endgame the softlock would provide as well.
The list you recommended seems sweet, I'll definitely try to put it together before my next modern event (this coming monday). However, I only have the one Liliana of the veil (I'll pick up the other copies ASAP but currently don't have the cash) and no copies of Liliana, the last hope(which I would like to wait for standard rotation before purchasing). what changes would you recommend I make? Second, I noticed the utopia sprawls in the list, which seem kind of weak. Turn one is usually spent on discard, it's very weak to land destruction, and seems like a terrible topdeck. compared to sakura-tribe elder and explore, which block and cycle respectively, it seems very subpar. I've never tested with it though, and the Garruk wildspeaker synergy is real, how has it performed for you? Lastly, a couple cards I've had good experience with weren't present in the list, and I was wondering what you thought of them. Kalitas, traitor of Ghet has been incredible, being a powerful threat on his own and working great with death cloud (bonus points for grave titan synergy). Nissa, vital force has also been a pretty sweet card, providing both a fast clock and repeatable recursion. The fact that her animated lands can block etched champion isn't insignificant either. Ob Nixilis reignited may just be the better 5 mana walker, and you recommended cutting him, but Nissa definitely has merit, and is at the least a lot of fun. I recommend trying her out if you haven't already. Also, though this is less specific to our deck, against gifts storm, what should i take with hand attack, what should i send to the yard when they gifts ungiven, and when and on what should I surgical extraction (should I even run surgical?).
Does anyone have a competitively tuned decklist currently? I recently got pretty much all the cards for the deck assembled (besides my only having one liliana of the veil), and tried throwing a deck together. However, I'm not a great builder, and I haven't been performing very well at the shop. With that in mind, I was wondering if anyone had a decent base list to share. Additionally, I was wondering about a few matchups. Jund having Bob and Kommand lets them grind me out with ease, and olivia voldaren tends to wreck me if I can't answer it right away(something hard to do when everything they have is a huge threat), how do I win that matchup? Also, Tron. How do I have any chance there besides just running 4 ghost quarter and hoping for the best?
Edit: I've only been running 2 Death clouds because it feels weak most of the times I draw it, but does destroy lands and potentially do a lot of damage vs. Jund, could that be the key?
Feel like I'm walking into a ghost town with this, but how do you all feel about nimble obstructionist in this deck? does anyone have a new list since the EMN spirits came out? this deck was really cool and its kind of a shame no one posts on here anymore.
Triple post, not sure how that happened. That aside, I think Thought Scour delve builds are definitely the way to go if we want to be more aggressive, since I've never been fond of Scion of Oona. How has the Gurmag Angler been performing? is the extra power relevant, or did you just need another, non-legendary delve threat?
Oops double post. Guess it's just a multi post kind of day.
Triple post, not sure how that happened. That aside, I think Thought Scour delve builds are definitely the way to go if we want to be more aggressive, since I've never been fond of Scion of Oona. How has the Gurmag Angler been performing? is the extra power relevant, or did you just need another, non-legendary delve threat?
The iconic budget modern deck of this was always mono blue, cause budget, but it seems like this deck might be better as a blue red combo/control deck like twin is. The main upside to this combo when compared to others seems to be that the beatdown plan is already built into the deck, so why bother playing an all-in version with transmute cards and the like. Additionally, being able to cast big pyromaniacs for tempo in the late game seems sweet.
I used to play UW control a while back and I'd like to get back in. I want to know how necessary torrential gear hulk is. Its obviously great, but I can't afford them and was wondering if there are any replacements or substitutions you guys know of.
Edit: I've only been running 2 Death clouds because it feels weak most of the times I draw it, but does destroy lands and potentially do a lot of damage vs. Jund, could that be the key?
Oops double post. Guess it's just a multi post kind of day.