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  • posted a message on Persistent Petitioners (Strictly Better MTG Spoiler) - mill common
    Quote from Cactuscorpus »
    Trusted Advisor is really really good here. Not only does he reset Minister of Inquiries, since the new guy gets around summoning sickness, you can tap, bounce, play, and tap again. That's half your deck in one turn.


    I'm not a rules expert by any means, but would that work to get TWO taps from the same Minister to pay for the ability in between upkeep and draw steps?

    502.3. No player receives priority during the untap step, so no spells can be cast or resolve and no abilities can be activated or resolve. Any ability that triggers during this step will be held until the next time a player would receive priority, which is usually during the upkeep step. (See rule 503, “Upkeep Step.”)

    At the beginning of the upkeep step, if you place the bounce trigger first on the stack from Trusted Advisor targeting Minister, then put Persistent Petitioners ability on the stack; you TAP Minister, Petitioners, Advisor, and you still need one other "advisor card" to pay the cost to resolve the ability. To me it looks like you need one more "advisor card" on the board (so 4 cards minimum are needed to play the ability of Petitioners during upkeep).

    I'll reiterate a likely setup that's within reason.
    T1: Mutavault, play Aether Vial
    T2: Island, play a 1CMC Minister from Vial in main phase or opponents next end step, cast Persistent Petitioners [2 total "advisors" on battlefield plus mutavault] fully tapped out for mana though
    T3: UNTAP, play 1CMC Advisor from Vial in upkeep (tick Vial up to 2 on stack first). Activate Mutavault and tap all creatures to play Petitioners ability. Mill 12 with 3 "advisor" cards plus Mutavault during upkeep. DRAW step. Continue play.
    T4: UNTAP, Trusted Advisor trigger on stack targeting Minister, activate Petitioners ability (tapping all the same advisors and mutavault from T3), Vial in a 2CMC "advisor" if you want or Manic Scribe to be target for future bounce back. Resolve stack to play 2CMC "advisor"/Manic Scribe if you did (mill 3), mill 12, bounce back Minister. You milled 24 or 27 by T4 DRAW step and have 1 or 2 Persistent Petitioners, 1 Trusted Advisor, and 1 Mutavault at least in play now and probably 2 untapped lands if you didn't miss a land drop.

    Again, please correct me if I'm not resolving these cards correctly in Modern based deck. I would think you would not need more than 8 Petitioners, plus draw like Visions of Beyond and good mill Archive Trap and Glimpse the Unthinkable. By turn 4, half of your opponents deck will be in the graveyard and likely scooped unless it feeds into their strategy.


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  • posted a message on Persistent Petitioners (Strictly Better MTG Spoiler) - mill common
    For a Modern deck I see this using a Merfolk like build with Aether Vial being essential to cheat our Advisors.
    T1. Mutavault, play Aether Vial
    T2. Island, cheat in a 1CMC Advisor like Minister of Inquiries, play Persistent Petitioners
    T3. land, cheat in any Advisor (1 or 2CMC). Pay 1 mana for Mutavault and tap all Advisors to mill 12. You still have a U to play something or save for a Spell Pierce. If you played 2 Advisors this turn you could technically mill for 15 if you use Minister of Inquiries ability.
    T4: Continue to mill and control magic.

    Unless I'm missing a key card, T3 would be the earliest you can mill 12 using this card. I would consider running Trusted Advisor to bounce back the Minister to recharge the energy or use cards like Merrow Witsniper, Faerie Miscreant for clunky draw or Manic Scribe. Running Arcane Adaptation wouldn't be a bad thing in this case. Splashing black mana gets you Glimpse the Unthinkable which should be auto include unless you wanted to stay mono blue.
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  • posted a message on Common Painlands
    I have been interested in Pauper of late and wished we had alternatives to "come into play tapped." Pauper is obviously a slower format, but I see Pauper as Legacy lite. "Come into play tapped" will slow the game, but I think Painlands e.g Brushland can be modified to common to offer an alternative play style.

    Common Painland cycle
    tap symbol : Add black mana or blue mana , you lose 1 life.
    Posted in: Custom Card Creation
  • posted a message on Mothership Previews 1/2/2019
    Hydroid Krasis seems like a potential Limited bomb to me. It replaces itself and offers a good-sized body with evasion and trample for a good price.


    I was thinking the same mainly for the flying trample part. I suspect there will be a Bioshift reprint or something similar to move counters around to grow this Hydra
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  • posted a message on Devotion
    Question on Devotion when Gray Merchant of Asphodel is played.

    Let's say I have a single Cuombajj Witches in play with no other black permanents in play. A turn later I cast Gray. Would devotion include Gray's BB to make X=4 or is it just 2 in this case?
    Posted in: Magic Rulings
  • posted a message on PWs with Static Ability
    I imagine Liliana will eventually have a static discard ability. I would be neat to see PWs as Lords with some other abilities.
    Posted in: Speculation
  • posted a message on Ravnica Allegiance Mechanics ( Spectacle, Afterlife, Adapt, Riot, Addendum)
    Quote from Marl Karx »

    I believe what he was trying to say in the article was that there are some Addendum card with replacement effects and some with add-on effects. Unfortunately he references the use of the word "instead" which does not show up in the example cards. This makes things clear as mud but since it is introduced as an ability word, we can deduce that "Addendum" in and of itself does not have any rules impact.

    My question is when the additional effects happen. Does the permanent for Emergency Powers's Addendum come from your initial hand or your new hand after reshuffle?


    I wondered the same thing for that card. Can you stack these effects to drop your permanent first and then shuffle/draw?
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  • posted a message on Magic Pro League (9 pm announcement got spoiled early)
    Cool. Now when will the Arena Mac client be released? No mention of MTGO which doesn't bode well for its future IMO. This is a very significant change for WotC to throw millions behind Arena for real tournaments.
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  • posted a message on Fecundity
    I like this art better than the original.
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  • posted a message on Upcoming Norse-Inspired Set
    Quote from EddieEmmer »
    True or not true...

    Snow lands, yay!!!!

    (Snow duals maybe?...)


    I'll wish for full art snow lands, which would be fantastic and a huge selling point for a standard set. I think Snow Duals are technically not allowed due to the language of the RL but I may be wrong on this. Either way, it just seems too close for WotC to risk a lawsuit. We can dream though.
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  • posted a message on Upcoming Norse-Inspired Set

    I hope that snow will return, but i guess it won't


    It would fit a potential Norse theme. I hope there are Giants and cool equipment or artifacts. Do you think some Norse gods/legends could be constructed into Planeswalkers, like Odin and maybe an antagonist Ymir? I personally like Norse mythology and the landscapes of their region.

    It would also support creature types that are used in MtG. Dwarves in Norse are sometimes referred to as dark Elves, so could span RBG depending on the angle they want to take. Vanir are like wizards (U). Elves (G). Giants live in mountains and dense forests (RG). Humans would likely stay white. Valkyries would take on the angel model and mainly white. There is enough substance to create a world.
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  • posted a message on Ultimate Masters & Box Topper Promos + PSA regarding sealed Box Topper Boosters
    Quote from thatmarkguy »
    Quote from BB84Prez »
    At the time of this post, there are 34 Rares and 78 Uncommons to be spoiled.


    Do we know for a fact how many rares are in this set?

    The typical Masters set has had 15 mythics 53 rares, the typical distribution for a 121-card sheet with each rare appearing twice, and near the usual 1:7 mythic-to-rare ratio.

    This set is known to have 20 mythics.

    Does this mean there'll be ... 71 rares (so they can print two copies of each rare for each single copy of a mythic and keep the same ratio)? Does this mean they're screwing/redefining the ratio and having 20M+50R+blank on a 121 sheet? Or are they just printing 5 of the mythics separately and jamming them into collation somehow (which still feels to me like it'lll break ratio)? Do we know?

    There's two ratios they like to preserve:
    Each individual mythic is exactly half as many in circulation as each individual rare
    Each pack has about a 1 in 8 shot at containing a mythic

    The only way they can preserve both of these is to couple the 20-mythic roster with a ~71-rare roster.


    I pulled the numbers from the spreadsheet that is linked in the OP. I have not seen an official breakdown of the rarities and I did mean to say approximately, sorry. However, you brought up a good point with the 20 Mythics and not the usual 15. I crunched some numbers based on a 11x11 sheet and I don't see how they could print ~71 rares to maintain the 1:7 ratio even if the rares were on their own sheet. One scenario could be they print mythics on their own sheet but 6 times to make 120 cards, then have a 60 rare roster printing twice on a sheet with more sheets printed. That would effect the un/commons as well since their numbers will be lower and we know the set size already. That prospect of more rares than normal doesn't seem to add up especially since the MSRP is so much higher than before. On pure baseless speculation on my part, maybe more mythics are in a box of UMA and that justifies their price gouge...I mean increase? Could it be 1 in 5 (4-5 mythic box average not including the topper or foil) versus 3-4 mythic boxes? If I was getting 1 more mythic plus an altered art topper, that may justify the increase in price right there ~$50. Just something to think about until next week.

    Many people have said it before, that it does not cost them extra to print a mythic than it is a common...it's cardboard and ink. However, by them adding just one extra mythic per box they can net more money because they are adding more value. That would be a nice send off to the Masters sets.
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  • posted a message on Ultimate Masters & Box Topper Promos + PSA regarding sealed Box Topper Boosters
    The fact that they aren't starting the next round of spoilers until the 19th, then are done in 3 days total sends up a HUGE red flag to me. This set is going to have the same amount of chaff as Iconic and Masters25. There are going to be a lot more "feel bad" openings. There are going to be packs with 50 cent rares and 25 cent foils. A dollar worth of cards for 12 to 15 bucks. The only way to mitigate this is to buy in volume. Buy many and the randomness smooths out. They won't but people need to wait until the spoilers are up. Don't ride the hype train people. Wait and see what is spoiled. At these prices EVERY pack should have a borderless regular(non-foil) rare in it. They could have done it and it would have made the pack price more tolerable. There are going to be a TON of feel-bad openings for those that buy a pack or two on impulse or the 3 pack blister packs. But as long as buyers keep buying it will continue down this path. Frown


    At the time of this post, there are 34 Rares and 78 Uncommons to be spoiled. All the Mythics are known already; I think it's reasonable for 1 week for WotC (3 days of articles, assuming nothing drops on US Thanksgiving or US Black Friday) and all the other content creators to spoil the better parts of the set. I think starting around this time is when Youtube ad dollars are better for content creators so this set is a nice gift for them, whom quite honestly help WotC so much even to promote weak sets. I'm impressed that there has not been a major leak, so kudos to WotC legal and the printers for that.

    Ultimately, I'm nervous about how they are going to introduce expensive/disruptive rare and mythic reprints for Modern without going through Standard with this version of Master sets coming to an end. I think we can assume whatever does happen, it will still cost a lot of money.
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  • posted a message on Ultimate Masters & Box Topper Promos + PSA regarding sealed Box Topper Boosters
    I would be so happy if Oubliette was reprinted in this set for Pauper reasons, to be a little less expensive than it is now. I don't think it would be bad in a Limited environment even at common, but due to "scarcity" I can see them upshifting it just because.
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  • posted a message on Ultimate Masters & Box Topper Promos + PSA regarding sealed Box Topper Boosters
    If they printed the entire set in the borderless, or near borderless like the box toppers, then I can rationalize the increase in price since that's an extra printing cost to them. I just don't see the point to this set to happen now, since EMA and A25 were released this year as well unless it was intended all along (which it sounds like it). I just crossed checked the spoiled toppers with the other two sets' rares and mythics, and only Karakas was printed previously this year so far. So maybe, they came up with list of all the reprints they wanted to do for the year and they saved the "best" (chase cards) to get the special treatment and jack the price up to compensate for the value they are releasing.

    I'm curious to see what commons and uncommons are printed. If there was any chance of high costed commons like Oubliette, Rhystic Study, or Lotus Petal to get printed and likely shifted up to uncommon at minimum is in this set.

    On a side note, I like that they are experimenting more with the double-cut printing technology. I really like the borderless style and hope it becomes more of a standard printing for them.
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