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  • posted a message on Colorless Eldrazi Stompy
    Quote from ashtonkutcher »
    Quote from TheBullwark »
    With all the crazy fast interactive aggro decks out there these days. I really think eye of ugin should get a second consideration. This may be an unpopular opinion but in a world were you can play two turn one 4/4s and follow it up with a 5/5 and other hasty creatures I dont think its unreasonable. Eldrazi are way less consistant and have no card selection other than mulligans. Eldrazi winter has long since passed and there are so many other stong aggro decks.
    Actually published an article about this today: http://modernnexus.com/harder-faster-welcoming-aggros-new-arbiters/

    It compares CES to Hollow One and Bridgevine. I feel the decks are quite similar in philosophy.


    Nice I will check it out. I still think eye of ugin at least deserves a second thought to come off the banned list
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on Colorless Eldrazi Stompy
    With all the crazy fast interactive aggro decks out there these days. I really think eye of ugin should get a second consideration. This may be an unpopular opinion but in a world were you can play two turn one 4/4s and follow it up with a 5/5 and other hasty creatures I dont think its unreasonable. Eldrazi are way less consistant and have no card selection other than mulligans. Eldrazi winter has long since passed and there are so many other stong aggro decks.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on I love legacy so much
    I just wanted to post this because I am a long time modern player. I always made decks and had fun. I thought legacy was a dying format and that there was no point because speculaters and the mtg finance crew was making prices untenable. I had this odd longing to try it though. I just loved the wonky art the fun cards from my childhood (I started in Ice Age and was obsessed with "gold cards" but my mom unfortunately threw my collection away during a long haetus while I was at school). I have to say boy am I glad I let nostalgia take hold. I built DnT since I had some of the cards and had a blast with the crazy aether vial interactions. Not to mention it was the cheapest deck. However within the last few weeks I started to realize I should be investing in reserved list cards. I had a lot of miracles stuff since I played it in modern. I had to buy some of the cheap stuff and hunker down and buy the tundras and FoWs. I played my first miracles casual tourney Monday. I went 0-1-2 but hell did I have fun. I am still learning but I plan to sell all my modern stuff and be only a legacy player. At my lgs there were actually as many legacy players as modern but who knew! Anyway I just wanted to share my excitement and hopefully people have similar stories to mine. Much love all!
    Posted in: Legacy (Type 1.5)
  • posted a message on Grixis Death's Shadow
    Is anyone trying Stitcher's Supplier to maximize T2 delve threats?


    I think the 4 bauble and 2 faithless looting package in conjunction with street wraiths and thought scour is the better option for turn two. I don't think that the stitcher's supplier really adds any value to the deck
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on [Deck] Death and Taxes
    Quote from antr67 »
    Running 2 brightling in cardboard based on Medea's list from Thraben University. It's been great in testing so far.

    Is everyone having the same problem getting hold of them on mtgo? I've only managed to pick up one. A second is proving somewhat difficult,


    Tough to get em in paper too. I paid $5 for one last week. Got my second before a casual legacy tourney yesterday. It was the last in stock and it was $20. crazy
    Posted in: Control
  • posted a message on [Deck] Death and Taxes
    Newer to the deck. Ran my first legacy tourney last week and went 2 0 1. Pretty happy. My question though is should i be running revokers and mirran crusaders still. I want to run a second brightling and a second serra avenger. Im running 2 crusaders and 3 revokers and they were the first to come out every game. Im also thinking spirit of the labyrinth might be more useful. Any matchups where revokers and crusaders would be worth it? Insomuch as do i lose points for not running them anywhere
    Posted in: Control
  • posted a message on [POLL] What cards do you want banned or unbanned in the July 2, 2018 announcement?
    Quote from Tasighoul »
    Quote from Breathe1234 »
    If banning ancient stirrings wouldn't weaken tron, then that's exactly what everyone here would like.
    Actually, I would like to see Tron weakened, and an Ancient Stirrings ban appears to be a reasonable step. I'm firmly convinced by now that Tron can replace Ancient Stirrings with Oath of Nissa and still be relevant, much like blue-based decks had to replace Preordain and Ponder with weaker cards like Serum Visions. Tron violates what appears to be an otherwise fundamental aspect of the Modern metagame, the idea that the format is self-correcting. The tricky part is that this situation has come to be not through amazing performances by Tron, but through bans of key cards in two of Tron's nemeses, Twin and Infect, and through WotC's unwillingness or inability to print good hate cards that interact with its lands, while printing amazing hate cards against many other popular strategies.

    As pro player Brian Braun-Duin put it in an article over on TCGPlayer.com this very week:
    This line of thought about how Modern is so good at self-correcting eventually led me down another line of thought. Which deck has remained a tier one strategy for the longest period of time despite all the times Modern has adapted to prey on tier one decks? [..]

    The answer I came up with is Tron. Over a long enough period of time, I think Tron is clearly the best deck in Modern. Years ago, Tron was putting up great results and Top 8's. Tron is still doing that today. At any given moment, Tron is almost never the best deck in the format. But it's always close. And as the best decks filter in and out, Tron always remains, always close to being the best. There were two Tron decks in the Top 8 of the most recent Modern GP. There were four Tron decks in the Top 8 of a Grand Prix a few months back. Modern consistently self-corrects to push decks in and out of prominence, but Tron always pushes back. Tron always adapts right back and continues to be a dominating, tier one strategy.
    So, yes, I think something should be done about Tron, specifically. If Ancient Stirrings remains untouched again despite the data from recent tournaments, then I would like to see several unbans to strengthen strategies that are inherently strong against Tron and other brown-based decks. The small effect the unbanning of Jace, the Mind Sculptor had is a strong indicator that Modern is at a point at which it is capable of absorbing cards that were previously thought to be too powerful for the format.


    With damping sphere, blood moon and now alpine moon it seems like they are constantly printing hate cards. I personally disagree that Tron is always so well positioned. But that aside and with the amazing number of silver bullets that easily take the wind out of Tron's sails if adequate pressure is applied, I don't think there is an real reason to do anything further at this time. It also seems like since they are constantly printing so many hate cards that they feel they are keeping it in check so there is no impetus to ban stirrings. Wizards is always confounding me though.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on [POLL] What cards do you want banned or unbanned in the July 2, 2018 announcement?
    Quote from Click5 »
    You'd think that if it was overwhelming powerful, with negligible deck building constraints, that Ancient Stirrings would then appear in more decks from WotCs curated list. But you don't, because the deck building costs are real.

    Ancient Stirrings appears in exactly Tron, KCI, Lantern, Amulet Titan, Hardened Scales, and Eldrazi decks with Green. That's about it.

    I wish the people clamoring for a ban would just be honest and admit they hate these decks, instead of making these wild false equivalencies on Stirrings


    I have to say that's kind of the impression I get. I see so many people whining about tron, which by my estimation is the reason for damping sphere and alpine moon. There are so many hate cards now, its amazing people are still pushing for a ban on stirrings which although it helps decks doesn't actually enable anything insane.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on [POLL] What cards do you want banned or unbanned in the July 2, 2018 announcement?
    Quote from cfusionpm »
    Quote from TheBullwark »
    Quote from 13055 »
    Yea, MTGGoldfish is known for dirty data. Try again.


    I've never heard that. Where are you hearing that it is dirty and do you have a better site? I would need some validation to that statement before discarding their data totally

    WOTC used to publish random samples of MTGO League data, which over time can give a decent representation of the meta. However they recently changed to curated lists and algorithm selections of "unique" decks. Therefore if a deck had 100 League 5-0s, it would still only show up once in the report. Alternatively, if a single, random rogue deck also had a 5-0, it would be reported as well. So rather than proportional reporting of results, every unique list is weighted equally in weekly League postings. Since the League postings represent a much, much larger quantity of deck postings compared to most paper tournaments, it helps skew numbers of "dominant" decks down and "weak" decks up. We have not had a meaningful picture of the "Modern metagame" since this switch of data distribution.


    I see, so I guess mtggoldfish is the best data we have. Unless Mtgtop8 is more reliable. It may not be perfect but apparently there is no alternative
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on [POLL] What cards do you want banned or unbanned in the July 2, 2018 announcement?
    Quote from NRWGN »
    Quote from gkourou »
    Quote from NRWGN »


    You're right, I'm an idiot. Either way, Stoneforge wouldn't impact Modern in a meaningful way.


    I agree with the rest of your sentiments.


    Yea, I think at this point if Stoneforge stays banned its out of sheer laziness/complacency.


    I would have to agree on that point. I think esper stoneblade now even with SFM if unbanned & Jace wouldn't even metagame its way into Modern. Every unban so far has barely made a splash with the exception of GGT and that only needed a re-ban since they created prized alagem and cathartic reunion. I think they really should only consider cards that enable broken interactions and especially those that break the turn 3 rule. Every "fair" card they have unbanned thus far was perfectly fine
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on [POLL] What cards do you want banned or unbanned in the July 2, 2018 announcement?
    Quote from 13055 »
    Yea, MTGGoldfish is known for dirty data. Try again.


    I've never heard that. Where are you hearing that it is dirty and do you have a better site? I would need some validation to that statement before discarding their data totally
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on [POLL] What cards do you want banned or unbanned in the July 2, 2018 announcement?
    Quote from Melkor »
    But Stirrings doesn't meet any previous ban criteria.
    1) it doesn't prevent them from printing other cards for fear of breaking something
    2) it doesn't enable breaking the t4 rule
    3) decks running it aren't aggressively over represented. there is no deck like old Eldrazi that has a huge meta share, and it doesn't go in just any deck running green like DRS did.
    4) it's not an excuse to play it in and of itself like Cruise. it's not the card that you build your deck to play, you slot it in if it helps the deck you made. You don't build Tron to play it, you use it to play Tron.

    5) it doesn't have a huge meta share. I can't find a super up to date ranking, but it doesn't look like it breaks into the top 20 most played Modern cards.

    I get that people don't like some of the decks that run it, I really do, but based on previous ban rationale, there is no justification to ban it.


    I agree with you, and just for reference here are the current top played cards

    https://www.mtggoldfish.com/format-staples/modern
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on [POLL] What cards do you want banned or unbanned in the July 2, 2018 announcement?
    I would unban SFM for sure, preordain seems fine to me as well. I would like to see splinter twin unbanned for greed reasons since I have most of the other cards for that deck now. I know people hate Tron and artifact control/combo decks that utilize Ancient Stirrings because those decks tend to be less interactive. I personally don't really see the card inherently as an issue and wouldn't ban it. It obviously doesn't restrict the design space of colorless in wizard's mind considering they are still pumping out the eldrazis and karns of the multiverse. Also it gets one card from the top five, its not like you are searching your whole deck and it doesn't allow you to set up future turns as the blue cantrips potentially can. I really don't see a need to ban anything but if I was hard pressed I would say ban a humans card since that is actually the current format boogie man. I would say don't ban vial or cavern of souls though. Also for selfish reasons since I like DnT and if SFM gets unbanned, the deck is eminently more playable and needs those cards. Anyway that's my two cents.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on Banned and Restricted Announcement: No Changes
    When is the next banned/unbanned announcement?
    Posted in: Rumor Mill Archive
  • posted a message on [Primer] Gx Tron
    Is GR Tron the way to go these days with all the humans/token decks? Kozilek's return seems like it could be a real bomb. I haven't played tron in a couple months and I am thinking of taking it to an IQ this weekend. Also I'm not too worried about alpine moon or damping sphere. Tron is so redundant, even without big mana, most of the time the opponent spends so much time trying to disrupt you, you get to enough mana to cast things anyway.
    Posted in: Big Mana
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