I was pursuing some lists and came upon, this that I will be trying out in Game Day tomorrow! Would love the get your thoughts on it, love the synergy it brings.
I've been really liking your list, and your Sideboarding guide has been really helpful as I'm new to legacy. What do you think about adding 1-2 wastes against blood moon, which I've been having come up a lot on MTGO? I was thinking of cutting 1 Mishra's factory for 1 waste MD, and 1 waste in the SB potentially by moving that 4th displacer to the main. Otherwise I'm not sure, i really like how you have everything setup honestly and any cuts are tough to make at this point.
That's been a rising question lately, and in all honesty cutting a Mishra's Factory for a Waste is not the best plan; however, moving the 4th displacer to MB might be correct. It could possibly be cutting a Worldbreaker for the 2nd Waste.
I don't think there's any choice but to play red/white. Blue is lacking playables, as is black. Green is a bit better, but has less tool sthan white, and pacifist is not very good here.
It's either you go R/W maybe splashing some Black for Unmaking, or go 3 colors with R/W/B and lack consistency.
For those looking for a decklist, I took down the monthly Legacy Challenge on MTGO this Saturday with this list.
Imho it's the best version of the deck yet and I have a combined track record of 18-2 (9-1 leagues + 9-1 Legacy Challenge) so far (with a potenial 20-0 if I had chosen better lines/mulligan decisions). This build is insane and I wouldn't change a single card right now.
I've noticed your build and I can seeing very successful with the TKS Displacer combo and splash for Breaker. My question here is how is running no thorns treating you? Also the mulliganing decisions, what is the line you look for?
No Thorns have been pretty okay for me. E.g I have a clean 4-0 (8-0 in games) record vs Storm with this build despite not running MD Thorn. I don't think it's really required against most decks.
For mulligans in general, I look to deploy a fast Chalice and/or fast Eldrazi beats, preferable with a T2 TKS. If a hand has neither, it gets shipped.
I've been playtesting your deck and I do really like it. Do you have any sideboarding notes for different match-ups? Would be awesome to see how you sideboard given such a solid record with the deck.
I want to say that UW is one of the WORST decktypes this format, absolutely got crushed both by speed and by blockers such as you mentioned when I drafted this Saturday.
Both your negative experience and 9talete9's positive one are far too small of a sample size to draw any meaningful conclusions. No one can say yet what decks are great and which are trash.
I understand here; however, from what we all see with answers to flyers, removal, lack of true synergistic power, I can safely assume that U/W is not the best or even close to the best this format. The decks runs to slow to compete with aggro decks and the deck doesn't maximize on bombs that fit the deck and removal compared to the likes of Wolves, Vampires, B/G Madness...
I want to say that UW is one of the WORST decktypes this format, absolutely got crushed both by speed and by blockers such as you mentioned when I drafted this Saturday.
For those looking for a decklist, I took down the monthly Legacy Challenge on MTGO this Saturday with this list.
Imho it's the best version of the deck yet and I have a combined track record of 18-2 (9-1 leagues + 9-1 Legacy Challenge) so far (with a potenial 20-0 if I had chosen better lines/mulligan decisions). This build is insane and I wouldn't change a single card right now.
I've noticed your build and I can seeing very successful with the TKS Displacer combo and splash for Breaker. My question here is how is running no thorns treating you? Also the mulliganing decisions, what is the line you look for?
I would suggest you check out the thread on the source .We've been working on the deck for a while and we've all (the forum regulars ) been doing really well with the lists we're settling on. All your answers are there. As far as outracing them goes sure you can do that maybe if you land a chalice and they're not on the play but sometimes a main deck karakas can win the game as your first land drop . what utility are you looking for? the deck doesn't want wasteland .
Thanks for the comment, will definitely check out that thread! As for not needing wasteland, I don't necessarily agree to the comment. I agree that some match-ups it is not needed; however, you do experience some where wasteland is wanted.
Game 1 was a piece of cake smashed him; however, the guy played the MOST UNPLAYABLE DECK with the likes of Altered Ego, From Underneath the Floorboards, Cryptolith Rite, Second Harvest, and 4 Alms of the Vein (Seriously?).
I'm probably misunderstanding you, but are you implying that Altered Ego and From Underneath the Floorboards are in the same league as the rest of the cards you mentioned? I'd happily first pick the latter, and the first is excellent too if you can make the colours.
What I'm saying is those cards are not cards you utilize together to create a deck. First picking an Altered Ego? Seriously? from Underneath the Floorboards is understandable pack 3 when you are majority Black; however, 1st picking an Altered Ego then going Black tossing in some Red to create a 4 color deck with 4 Alms of the Vein? That's an unplayable card. The guy was contemplating playing Fevered Visions... Seriously?
Venting is required for this one. So yesterday, I ended up going to a LGS near my area to play the new set at least once. We get a great turnout and the draft is okay; however, the packs heavily favored blue so signals were there but not "truly" there. Ended up making an average U/W Spirits build, which personally I felt should've won once maybe even twice. Ended up losing match 1 to a fairly solid player; however, in match 2 the tables turned. Game 1 was a piece of cake smashed him; however, the guy played the MOST UNPLAYABLE DECK with the likes of Altered Ego, From Underneath the Floorboards, Cryptolith Rite, Second Harvest, and 4 Alms of the Vein (Seriously?). So game grinds down he plays an Alms and gets Harvest out. I had enough blockers to riddle an attack down to 6 and lethal through the air next turn; however, with the shear luck I have in this game, he draws 2 Alms in the past 2 turns... So Game 3. I'm already somewhat heated by the bad beat and the Magic Gods decide hey why not punish me more? Mulligans me down to 5 with 1 land and I never see a land ever again... The guy turns to me and says hey man good game with a smile... Seriously? That's what you say to me after what happened?
Seriously, this is a joke. Worst Draft I've experienced in a long time, and the guy had the outright to say "good game" when clearly game 3 wasn't a "good game" I lost by turn 4 and he played his most aggressive hand he could've had possible. I gave the 3rd guy the win because I just didn't want to play and rather than drop give him a better win and just do some trades/hang with friends.
My question for the day is how Necessary is it to run Karakas at 1 in your MB? It seems most lists are running it; however, is it a have too or preference?
Karakas as a 1 of is almost a must. there are lots of legends you don't want on the battlefield. and running it as a 2 in the main is an almost free way of having good sneak and show and reanimator match ups.
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I understand this, but with the speed of this deck and the power it holds, doesn't it outrace those legends? I can definitely see the Karakas in the side for those matches where you definitely need it (Sneak and Show and Reanimator), but I'm not 100% sold on the necessity of holding a 1 of in your MB when there are options which can be a bit more synergetic with you deck.
The card has its clear strong uses both as bounce and a way to avoid removal; however, I agree this isn't a card I would snap pick early to build my deck around. I think once this format is figured out in the first few weeks of limited, we will see the card drop to somewhat playable if you are in need of that color/23rd card.
My question for the day is how Necessary is it to run Karakas at 1 in your MB? It seems most lists are running it; however, is it a have too or preference?
2x Confront the Unknown
4x Expedite
4x Might of the Masses
2x Moonlight Hunt
4x Rush of Adrenaline
1x Vines of the Recluse
Sorcery (1)
1x Rabid Bite
Enchantment (2)
2x Howlpack Resurgence
Creature (18)
3x Duskwatch Recruiter Flip
3x Scourge Wolf
4x Silverfur Partisan
4x Timberpack Wolf
4x Zada, Hedron Grinder
4x Evolving Wilds
7x Forest
2x Game Trail
8x Mountain
Planeswalker (1)
1x Arlinn Kord
2x Crumble to Dust
3x Display of Dominance
2x Kozilek's Return
3x Lightning Axe
1x Moonlight Hunt
2x Natural State
2x Vines of the Recluse
That's been a rising question lately, and in all honesty cutting a Mishra's Factory for a Waste is not the best plan; however, moving the 4th displacer to MB might be correct. It could possibly be cutting a Worldbreaker for the 2nd Waste.
It's either you go R/W maybe splashing some Black for Unmaking, or go 3 colors with R/W/B and lack consistency.
I understand here; however, from what we all see with answers to flyers, removal, lack of true synergistic power, I can safely assume that U/W is not the best or even close to the best this format. The decks runs to slow to compete with aggro decks and the deck doesn't maximize on bombs that fit the deck and removal compared to the likes of Wolves, Vampires, B/G Madness...
I want to say that UW is one of the WORST decktypes this format, absolutely got crushed both by speed and by blockers such as you mentioned when I drafted this Saturday.
I've noticed your build and I can seeing very successful with the TKS Displacer combo and splash for Breaker. My question here is how is running no thorns treating you? Also the mulliganing decisions, what is the line you look for?
Thanks for the comment, will definitely check out that thread! As for not needing wasteland, I don't necessarily agree to the comment. I agree that some match-ups it is not needed; however, you do experience some where wasteland is wanted.
What I'm saying is those cards are not cards you utilize together to create a deck. First picking an Altered Ego? Seriously? from Underneath the Floorboards is understandable pack 3 when you are majority Black; however, 1st picking an Altered Ego then going Black tossing in some Red to create a 4 color deck with 4 Alms of the Vein? That's an unplayable card. The guy was contemplating playing Fevered Visions... Seriously?
Seriously, this is a joke. Worst Draft I've experienced in a long time, and the guy had the outright to say "good game" when clearly game 3 wasn't a "good game" I lost by turn 4 and he played his most aggressive hand he could've had possible. I gave the 3rd guy the win because I just didn't want to play and rather than drop give him a better win and just do some trades/hang with friends.
I understand this, but with the speed of this deck and the power it holds, doesn't it outrace those legends? I can definitely see the Karakas in the side for those matches where you definitely need it (Sneak and Show and Reanimator), but I'm not 100% sold on the necessity of holding a 1 of in your MB when there are options which can be a bit more synergetic with you deck.