I've supported a Rhand lynch for awhile too. A stronger scum-read than Tubba, but it's a close call.
Rodemy's claim stinks.
how? Tell me.
Well, now that I have ZDS and Jack talking about it, it doesn’t look AS bad. But I didn’t see a scenario where you’re this defeatist and yet think you can pull off a gambit. Makes more sense as scum trying to save your own skin by saying whatever you gotta say. You could still be scum and laying foundation for your gameplan, but that seems less likely.
Hm. Well now I’m sort of back in my Day 1 situation where now it doesn’t matter if I think your town or scum, I have to vote you for this silly counter wagon meta that’s gotten us nowhere. **** it.
I won't have an opportunity to do the Tubba thing today; wife is sick so she's counting on me to watch the kid and take care of some things around the house. Domestic life.
So you’re priority is back to your “top scum read”, after you didn’t see much happening on the other slots you left yourself an excuse to go to? I’m scum and people are ignoring me, but it’s not worth a case? What if you meet an unfortunate accident in the night? Maybe I’m level zero, but I don’t feel like you’ve meant anything you’ve pushed, so shoot your shot and get it on the table.
If you won’t case me, case your top scum read again. I want you to tell me why you believe.
Nice mudsling, let's see how it pans out.
How do you construe "I will definitely make a case" into "it's not worth a case"? When did I say you were being ignored?
An unfortunate accident sounds like a threat. One that I dare you to make good on. Do it.
Taking into account some early game shenanigans, I've meant most of what I've said. It's a lot easier when I stop thinking so much.
I don't think I have to case someone who's almost certainly getting lynched already. I did it Day 1. And you can be damn sure I'm taking credit when Rodemy/KCC flips scum.
I don't owe you any explanation whatsoever. Your post count is so low, the case will take ten minutes tops. And it won't even be a wall.
My only concern is that I might distract the masses with such blinding truth that they can't focus on getting Rodemy lynched toDay. /s
Tubba is being cleared here for the same reasons KJ was scum. I don't like it.
hes really not, but feel free to disagree and make a case hes scum.
If i was to second guess myself, ive probably kept him too high because all the pushes on him suck. But that does tend to happen to townies more than scum IME
I definitely will make a case when it's priority. Rod/KCC slot flip will probably help IIRC.
I resent this. I have given a lot of fresh reads and been very transparent with my thoughts. Tom was already on my watch list. I support the Tom push when you call for it, and this is how you respond. Unbelievable. You act as if I had no opinion until you graced us with your case.
Sloth likes this post. This is the first time you've lost your cool instead of woe-is-me, and though that's not AI, it's real (and I do apologize if I'm being an ass.)
Z, it's been a hell of a week and I'm probably not reading as closely and carefully as I could: I killed most of my energy on that tom case, not to mention, there are several posts between the case and my last post before it I haven't even read yet.
What I'm saying here is that I freely admit I could have missed something. If you can quote me a post of yours where you give a thought that hadn't already been said by someone else in the thread, I will drop this line of thought and apologize.
We're good, I think we understand each other although we may not agree. I was admittedly exasperated. Re-reading that KJ legacy, I have been under pressure the whole game. It gets exhausting defending nearly all the time.
For the sake of brevity, just consider my KCC case from back in Day 1. I will stick by my strongest reads and at that time everyone was loling and dismissive. My case wasn't a parrot of anyone else's opinion. I may have come in from catch-ups with some general opinions on things that have already been said, but I don't know without rereading the whole game with that frame. Even still I'm either for or against, or will push a thought further. And when you say it's unoriginal, I feel like it was a wasted effort.
Are you ******* mirroring me again?
Points for sticking to KCC.
What do you base your Rhand/GJ not v/v world? You propose a scenario where they have to be unaligned.
Dork's "shoot yourself, Flarg" strategy hinged on (1) Flarg doing it toNight; and (2) admitted by Dork as not one that's actually interesting to him, he just said it because he wants Flarg dead. What do you say to this?
(1)So do you want players to vote with you or not? Should I just go play in a sandbox and vote wherever the hell? If you really feel this way you shouldn’t be voting Tom, you should be repeating Day 1 again trying to get me lynched, which you are/were wrong about anyway.
(2)What is v/v? I don’t think I suggested any such thing, at least not intentionally. It’s way too early to operate off those assumptions because the reads aren’t strong. I’m suspicious of both of them.
(3)I don’t really care that ZDS changed his mind. What I do like is that it’s solvey and puts Flarg on a time limit to do something. Either kill himself to prove he’s not scum/sk or actually shoot and kill scum/sk. Because if he’s not hitting good targets he’s a liability anyways.
Per paragraph:
(1) I think you misunderstood what I was saying by mirroring. The comment was not about your vote. Revisit what I said about it on #1023 on copying patterns/styles. I was talking about your wording of "dick move" re: voting Rod, which is something I had just said posts earlier with that exact wording.
In addition, this was actually me making a joke? Because mirroring (again, read #1023) is towards an aggressor, and I have said barely a word to you all Day. On that note, I'm also not voting for you, and this has been briefly discussed. Why do you supposed that is?
(2) v/v is villager/villager. w/w is wolf/wolf, and v/w and w/v are various combinations of the terms.
This is in reference to GJ and Rhand, and your claim that if he flips town you'd look on GJ as scum (hence, they can't be v/v together and there's a w there somewhere.)
You said that Rhand's push on GJ cemented your idea that Rhand was scum, implying that rhand's push was bad. Not getting why rhand flipping town would make his bad case good and that GJ is scum and not just misread town.
(3) ZDS did not change his mind, if you believe his statements. That was his intent all along and he made that clear.
What you're saying is true in regards to a plan for Flarg, but not ZDS' intent.
1) Did you really say the same thing? I don't even remember that. I did feel like I should at least get a base-line on Rodemy with no pressure, and I didn't want to go hard on a player on the back foot already. But he's been folding up on himself, with the constant anxiety posts and the crap Science vote. I can't ignore it to go after Tom of all players.
2)Yeah it's like I said, they're independent reads crossing with that event. Almost like a mental note to re-evaluate if either flipped. I wasn't pushing for some dichotomy, although it seems to have come off that way. If I did something like that it'd be in a wall of text case.
3) Ok, amend to say "I don't really care about ZDS' intent". It was more the idea I was focused on and ZDS presenting it was +town points. Not much deeper than that. Seems like a simple solution for an edge case (flarg being SK).
So the people still pushing me, you aren’t changing your mind on me because you are dead set kcc is scum.
Stop and see what I am doing. I am asking questions, searching, and trying to read. If I was scum replacing into this god awful slot I would give up. Seriously.
I would like to concider everyone still pushing kcc slot who is ignoring my play and sticking on kcc. Scum move right there. Ignoring the replacement and still pushing my predicessor. Kcc is gone. Rodemy is here. Why is RODEMY scum?
See, I was going to give you that opportunity but the more this meltdown proceeds the less I trust that decision. Especially that crappy "for science" vote on me. If you crumble under pressure for votes you don't even have, what are you so nervous about?
There’s plenty of other parts of the case that don’t involve your being wrong on KJ. I’m not convinced by your responses at all.
ok, what parts speak to you?
I can address you directly.
It's like your responses are so hand-waving dismissive like powerwolf BSing your way through. The biggest point being it's gotten us nowhere so far and you were talking such a big game with nothing to show for it. At least I would try to break it down; where Sloth makes incorrect assumptions or giant leaps of logic or something. The way you've gone about it so far is exactly what I would expect from a powerwolf strategy.
@Zionite Re #1948
1) Will you reconsider your town read on Johnny if Rhand flips town? If yes, is there already something about Johnny's attack on Rhand that would justify this?
2) Will you maintain your town read on Johnny if Rhand flips scum? If yes, is there already something about Johnny's attack on Rhand that makes it look like it can't be a bus?
Basically, prove to me you aren't setting yourself up to go after Johnny purely for being wrong.
3) To clarify on my vote pool, no I don't believe they are the full scum team. I believe you three are most likely to flip scum.
4) To clarify on KCC/Rod, YWF made a decent case against KCC and Rodemy has been flinging OMGUSes everywhere, both of which toned down my town read on the slot without reversing it.
1 & 2) It's not so tied up like this. The reads on each player are independent, and where they cross was when GJ's pushed on Rhand. Things like that are useful for solving. So these questions already don't seem right because my read is not dependent on Rhand being town/scum. But yeah, if GJ made a bad push I'd definitely reconsider and dive deeper, try to see if it was intentional or if there were signs I missed before. You know, playing the game. I never tried to set up a lynch and if you think anyone is listening to what I have to say anyways, well you're giving me wayy too much credit. Many players are sure I'm scum so I don't know why they'd go for my devious plan to set up a lynch on GJ, who I've been solidly town reading for the majority of the game.
So out of all my town reads, I think the one I'm most unsure about is GJ. Especially with his recent vote. That and his ignoring all the communication tools he has with me is susp.
3) Okay, so why the hard-line stance then if you acknowledge you may be wrong?
4) Alright.
I would also swap LW and Zionite spot wise on that list. I looked at it again, and I was kind of a tie there. I posted it the original way per my last few lists, but I didn't particular like Zionite this game day.
Game is hard.
Even harder when you have vacation for most of the game Day.
Well, now that I have ZDS and Jack talking about it, it doesn’t look AS bad. But I didn’t see a scenario where you’re this defeatist and yet think you can pull off a gambit. Makes more sense as scum trying to save your own skin by saying whatever you gotta say. You could still be scum and laying foundation for your gameplan, but that seems less likely.
Hm. Well now I’m sort of back in my Day 1 situation where now it doesn’t matter if I think your town or scum, I have to vote you for this silly counter wagon meta that’s gotten us nowhere. **** it.
unvote
Vote Rhand
Rodemy's claim stinks.
Nice mudsling, let's see how it pans out.
How do you construe "I will definitely make a case" into "it's not worth a case"? When did I say you were being ignored?
An unfortunate accident sounds like a threat. One that I dare you to make good on. Do it.
Taking into account some early game shenanigans, I've meant most of what I've said. It's a lot easier when I stop thinking so much.
I don't think I have to case someone who's almost certainly getting lynched already. I did it Day 1. And you can be damn sure I'm taking credit when Rodemy/KCC flips scum.
I don't owe you any explanation whatsoever. Your post count is so low, the case will take ten minutes tops. And it won't even be a wall.
My only concern is that I might distract the masses with such blinding truth that they can't focus on getting Rodemy lynched toDay. /s
I definitely will make a case when it's priority. Rod/KCC slot flip will probably help IIRC.
We're good, I think we understand each other although we may not agree. I was admittedly exasperated. Re-reading that KJ legacy, I have been under pressure the whole game. It gets exhausting defending nearly all the time.
For the sake of brevity, just consider my KCC case from back in Day 1. I will stick by my strongest reads and at that time everyone was loling and dismissive. My case wasn't a parrot of anyone else's opinion. I may have come in from catch-ups with some general opinions on things that have already been said, but I don't know without rereading the whole game with that frame. Even still I'm either for or against, or will push a thought further. And when you say it's unoriginal, I feel like it was a wasted effort.
1) Did you really say the same thing? I don't even remember that. I did feel like I should at least get a base-line on Rodemy with no pressure, and I didn't want to go hard on a player on the back foot already. But he's been folding up on himself, with the constant anxiety posts and the crap Science vote. I can't ignore it to go after Tom of all players.
2)Yeah it's like I said, they're independent reads crossing with that event. Almost like a mental note to re-evaluate if either flipped. I wasn't pushing for some dichotomy, although it seems to have come off that way. If I did something like that it'd be in a wall of text case.
3) Ok, amend to say "I don't really care about ZDS' intent". It was more the idea I was focused on and ZDS presenting it was +town points. Not much deeper than that. Seems like a simple solution for an edge case (flarg being SK).
Tubba is being cleared here for the same reasons KJ was scum. I don't like it.
Vote Rodemy
Should be obvious why. Been my strongest scum read since the beginning and Rodemy has not at all changed my mind.
So scummy it hurts. And irritating.
See, I was going to give you that opportunity but the more this meltdown proceeds the less I trust that decision. Especially that crappy "for science" vote on me. If you crumble under pressure for votes you don't even have, what are you so nervous about?
It's like your responses are so hand-waving dismissive like powerwolf BSing your way through. The biggest point being it's gotten us nowhere so far and you were talking such a big game with nothing to show for it. At least I would try to break it down; where Sloth makes incorrect assumptions or giant leaps of logic or something. The way you've gone about it so far is exactly what I would expect from a powerwolf strategy.
1 & 2) It's not so tied up like this. The reads on each player are independent, and where they cross was when GJ's pushed on Rhand. Things like that are useful for solving. So these questions already don't seem right because my read is not dependent on Rhand being town/scum. But yeah, if GJ made a bad push I'd definitely reconsider and dive deeper, try to see if it was intentional or if there were signs I missed before. You know, playing the game. I never tried to set up a lynch and if you think anyone is listening to what I have to say anyways, well you're giving me wayy too much credit. Many players are sure I'm scum so I don't know why they'd go for my devious plan to set up a lynch on GJ, who I've been solidly town reading for the majority of the game.
So out of all my town reads, I think the one I'm most unsure about is GJ. Especially with his recent vote. That and his ignoring all the communication tools he has with me is susp.
3) Okay, so why the hard-line stance then if you acknowledge you may be wrong?
4) Alright.
Even harder when you have vacation for most of the game Day.
This push is opportunist AF.