Just like with Standard we used to have quite a large contingent of people who play draft all the time. There's about 1/3 or less the number these days.
At my large store they said they get a lot fewer trades in with so many fewer people drafting. Yet another problem caused by design fails which adds to cost problems. Fewer cards = higher prices.
There used to be 40+ for draft every Friday. These days it's 16-20 if they're lucky.
Standard, if it fires, 7-12. Maybe fires once a month for FNM. Used to be 30+ every FNM.
Modern 48+ every FNM and used to be 12-16.
Sure numbers per LGS vary but even a single microcosm of this kind of player base loss should be alarming.
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Mar 13, 2018Isolated Chapel et al just had a reprint in standard. We didn't get the full set of fetches in standard because of Modern Masters. Breaking off Modern reprints to a special set has taken away value from standard. It used to be that at least if you're going to get cards and use them for Standard you could sometimes then get some eternal use or have trade/sale value after they rotate. Might even attract some Modern players to buy some product AND/OR get standard players to also play Modern as they build a collection. Nooooo, Modern Masters over priced packs.Posted in: Magic General
Brilliant idea to spread their consumers thin and make their own products compete with each other.
Haven't they learned from flushing a large segment of standard players into Modern when they tried to shorten card life?
Looking at RIX prices I don't see a single card that's over $5 bucks that needs to be. Jadelight and Rekindling both go in the same deck!! All the rest of the cards don't see that much play. If they make standard cheaper people will play because they like to play magic. I've been hanging out trying to play through this 2 yr mess and after 2x in a row FNMs not firing yet again (RIX got a few to fire in the first month after release but now that's faded again) I can't imagine wasting any more money on getting new cards. Especially over priced ones.
They can't even get people who want to play engaged with flagging participation and a crappy dated rarity system in packs. Start putting out x2 rare slots and a foil per pack is what I say. Yes it will affect Limited in a big way but Limited can adjust. It might also get more people to play limited since they're more likely to get something out of it. Prices need to fall but they do nothing.
Mar 13, 2018The card looks fine but changing blocking is not 'innovative'. That's apple brainwash speak for you will love it because we say so.Posted in: The Rumor Mill
Interesting that at a time they're bringing back 'simple' with core sets they're going even more complicated with Sagas and a whole set of legendaries.
Someone got stepped on with spoiler release because they don't want to impact 25 sales/marketing. Here's an idea, stop releasing so many sets and focus on getting people into new, well designed product to save the game.
Mar 13, 2018When you need more people to take up your game $30+ dollar cards are an impediment and for each person willing to buy a few packs to get lucky, there are 5 who will simply decline to play.Posted in: Magic General
WotC has done crazy damage to themselves in the past 2 years and it looks like they don't understand the full extent of it or even how to staunch the bleeding.
Card prices for standard have been a problem for a long time. When you force out literally 3/4 (more) of your players with bad marketing decisions/bad design and there was a problem with card prices BEFORE the mass exodus you have an exponentially larger problem with prices when you need people to get back in (let alone bring in new players).
Standard is not firing in previously (2 years ago) healthy markets. Why should I buy any cards... (let alone $30+ cards) if I can't even play at FNM? I look at $30 phonixes and say to myself screw it, I won't even get to play them.
1. Failing participation due to WotC marketing stupidity (Standard Showdown/promos/zero store support) and failed design philosophy have led to less than 30% participation as compared to 2 years ago. If people can't use their cards to play they will not buy them. They will not get back into a game at any price.
2. Prices are driven up with lower sales. Fewer packs cracked, fewer trades, lower profit = higher prices which suppresses new and return investment.
They are in a really bad place and show no signs of taking any actions to improve their situation. Grudgingly bringing back promos isn't going to cut it.
If the top price on playables for standard was $5 a card they'd get more people back in. This is more important right now than languishing in their broken card economy.
They made an effort with the new standard buy and play decks but I already notice the only really good one is pre-sale $40+ on TCG with MSRP $30. That does not help.
Those who feel 'prices are fine' because you're ok with them need to realize you won't have a card game if WotC can't bring in more players and make standard healthy again. Yes Modern is great. WotC is making money off Modern with stupid special sets but their main influx comes from standard and limited through new releases. They are even screwing standard with their special releases, see printing the same lands again in DOM instead of enemy fetches. Modern also cannot change and move forward without new cards that change it's meta.
WotC created this mess and they need to do a lot more to fix it. Standard prices are a self inflicted barrier they need to change.
Mar 5, 2018Greyimp posted a message on [[Official]] The "Complain About Standard Card Prices" ThreadStandard is still in trouble and oh look $30 bucks for the stupid phoenix. High prices for the few bomb cards is preventing people from bothering with standard again.Posted in: Standard (Type 2)
It's double the trouble right now because the people who were playing standard refuse to pay to get back in. Phoenix is not worth 30 to most consumers.
Feb 12, 2018Tolarian College did a video urging WotC to recognize that this is an opportunity to learn from what they did wrong and right with FNM promos and to get it right every time.Posted in: The Rumor Mill
It doesn't hurt them one bit to keep printing playable FNM cards in fact it only helps them.
We will see if they're bitter and give us crap or they want to succeed and give us more Fatal Pushin'
Feb 9, 2018Good promos drive up attendance.Posted in: The Rumor Mill
Bad promos are crap
Tokens are worse than crap.
They need to learn from their mistakes (and successes) and give us promos people will participate to get.
Standard attendance sucks because standard sucks (thanks Maro) but taking things away and trying to send people away from FNM for no reason at all other than some moron's brilliant flash in marketing is killing the game completely.
Feb 6, 2018Trying to force people out of their habits (standard FNM) and make them play a different night is so ill thought it's hard to see what the logic could have been. Out of touch from reality and their customers obviously.Posted in: The Rumor Mill
Feb 6, 2018You guys realize the paper vs digital is the same design?Posted in: Magic General
The reason no one is playing standard is because it's designed poorly. That is the reason for decline.
Expensive + crappy + no one else playing = why bother?
MTGO is so old and such a crap interface there are a lot of players who refuse to use it. They are not planning to get rid of paper but they are planning to push the crap out of Arena.
Feb 5, 2018"the real-world results did not match our expectations"Posted in: The Rumor Mill
What exactly were their expectations???
Tokens instead of playable... people will totally rush standard FNM to get these. We are geniuses!
Standard participation nose dives. Hmm, lets go back that'll fix everything!
Feb 5, 2018Posted in: The Rumor MillQuote from Xcric »i'd go so far as to say maro's 5 year plan was a resounding success, and i miss that kind of direction in design... but when it ended no one made a new plan and we're left with this continued mess.
Huh? Please explain what part of Maro's plan was a success. Am I missing the sarcasm?
Feb 5, 2018It's called zero effort by marketing department.Posted in: The Rumor Mill
They were just generating crap shiny cards.
They finally put a touch of effort in with Fatal Push and Aether Hub before they quit since participation in FNM was awful.
Right now participation is worse than when they dropped the promos so we shall see if they pull their heads out.
Feb 5, 2018The results support your view. 2 months of no fire Standard in a large percentage of LGS across the nation with Modern events doing fine and even going way over the top participation wise. December at my store had 81 people play Modern with a no fire standard.Posted in: Magic General
Maro has ruined standard. Period.
The 'new way' to design sets is an utter failure. Period.
Message to Maro... Go back or standard is dead!
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