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The Limited Archetypes of Guilds of Ravnica
 
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  • posted a message on Abzan / The Rock
    Quote from FlyingDelver »
    The mirror is right now not relevant at all actually. This might surely change, but from the current point of view, a decay is very bad.


    It's going to be more relevant once Assassin's Trophy releases, even if it's just for a few weeks. There was a ton of Jund everywhere when BBE was unbanned, people just like playing B/G/x. This forum consistently undervalues cards (Grim Flayer, Collective Brutality, and Lily the Last Hope as recent examples) because people look at cards in a vacuum.

    Decay is a problem right now because there's a bunch of relevant stuff that it doesn't hit. That problem is alleviated once we have access to Assassin's Trophy, which will give us 3-4 maindeck answers to anything. When you have that many answers to anything, your narrower answers get the opportunity to line up better, and it's easier to work within Abrupt Decay's CMC restriction. I'm not saying any of this to advocate for playing Abrupt Decay in an Assassin's Trophy world (jury's still out on that), but within that context Vraska's -3 is more likely to find a target, provided you've sequenced your removal to maximize that chance. I think that having that effect as a repeatable option is also incredibly good, the same way that getting multiple uses out of LotV's -2 can snowball a game.

    I think that you can actually bring Vraska in against any midrange or prison deck that plays a lot of permanents, I was using the B/G/x mirror as an example because I think we'll be playing a lot of them this fall.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Abzan / The Rock
    The new Vraska just screams "B/G/x mirror breaker" to me.

    +2 - Mitigates flooding, allows you to sac Clue tokens without paying mana, lets you cash in a Dark Confidant for value, and has the synergies already mentioned with Lingering Souls. The fact that the sacrifice is a may ability means that it's still functional even when you don't have anything that you want to sacrifice. Going up to 6 loyalty the turn she's played is also no joke, and has always been one of the strengths of Nahiri, the Harbinger.
    -3 - I'm baffled by people saying that this is "just" Abrupt Decay. Abrupt Decay is an incredible card in the mirror, able to answer all of the commonly played creatures except BBE as well as both 3 CMC Liliana's. The fact that Vraska can kill the Lilianas is a big deal, I would be much less interested in the card if it could only target creatures. While not hitting manlands is a pain, that's also a weakness that both Lilianas share, and something we're already used to dealing with. I think it'll also be somewhat alleviated by Assassin's Trophy.
    -9 - While not game-ending on its own, this can put an immense amount of pressure on your opponent to play around. The synergy with Lingering Souls has already been brought up, but two other commonly payed B/G/x cards with evasion are Treetop Village and Grim Flayer, which play very well with this emblem. The fact that you can kill whatever blocks those two creatures to have the trample damage carry over anyway is another boon.

    I don't think that Vraska is going to upend the archetype the way that Assassin's Trophy is set up to, but the power level of the card is very real. I think she's at her best in Abzan, strong in B/G, and might be an issue for Jund because they already run a bunch of 4-drops. That being said, she's not a build-around. Playing cards like Bitterblossom to try to get more value out of Vraska is going a step too far when she synergizes very well with what B/G/x decks are already doing.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on [Primer] Mardu (Dega/BWR) Midrange
    Quote from Ayiluss »
    I bring it in against control. Especially against Jeskai it seems good along with Blood Moon-play Blood Moon and use Molten Rain to kill their basics.


    This is one of my favorite ways to fight against Jeskai. They have a really hard time answering our board and protecting their lands while preventing a Blood Moon from resolving. We pull them in so many directions that are all very hard to answer cleanly. I think that Molten Rain in this deck is a lot like Fulminator Mage in Jund, where people think it's only for matchups where land destruction matters as your Plan A.
    Posted in: Modern Archives - Proven
  • posted a message on [Primer] Mardu (Dega/BWR) Midrange
    Having played against Mardu with Jund and various Death's Shadow decks, I always felt like it was a huge relief that Mardu didn't play cards like Molten Rain to take out my basics because it would make Blood Moon even more problematic. I wanted to give Molten Rain a try to see if that was actually a decent approach to those matchups, and it hasn't been too bad so far. The fact that Jund/Jeskai also play manlands and the Death's Shadow manabases are fragile means that the card also isn't totally dead if you don't draw Blood Moon. My sideboard is also limited by budget on MTGO right now, and Molten Rain is just a really cheap card. :p
    Posted in: Modern Archives - Proven
  • posted a message on [Primer] Mardu (Dega/BWR) Midrange
    I'm still new to this deck, but in the few matches against Jeskai I've played so far Blood Moon has been huge. I'm also playing 3 Molten Rain in the sideboard, which I've been bringing in. Killing Colonnade with it is actually the worse use-case, and I've found it very effective to just punk their basics and look to eventually resolve a Blood Moon to lock them out for good. This matchup seems like a nightmare for them, we just do a lot of stuff that's hard to answer with a single card.

    Posted in: Modern Archives - Proven
  • posted a message on Death's Shadow Jund
    I generally play Looting as one of the last cards in my hand to try to ditch dead/dying cards while segueing into the midgame, so I could see going down to 3 so that you don't draw too many of them early on. I'm still messing around with manabases and color configurations, I think I want to try Lingering Souls instead of Young Pyro/Hazoret/Reveler in the sideboard with no blue. It really feels like there's something there, but parts of the deck are still a little clunkier than I want them to be.

    This article came out today, which makes me feel a little less crazy: http://www.starcitygames.com/articles/37034_Faithless-Looting-Is-Brainstorm.html
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Death's Shadow Jund
    Quote from whocansay »
    Quote from DeFish »
    If I had the cards I'd try Grixis shadow with 4 Looting instead of Serum Visions.


    Why would you want to loot aggressively in a deck that doesn't care about delirium? GDS already runs Thought Scour to fuel delve.


    Because while Grixis doesn’t care about delirium, it does care about fueling delve. Having both of your cantrips dump 2+ cards in the yard can help increase the consistency of a turn 2 Angler, or refill for a second one. It may not be as good in Grixis as I’ve had it be in Traverse, but I’d still want to try it.

    Quote from brosterman »
    They were really good, but were not good in multiples. I think it's because I really wanted to deploy my hand out to get ahead on board, and THEN looting to find what I need to finish the game. So when I had two in hand, I couldn't effectively get a fast deployment. So I think I want to cut down to 2 Looting, and replace themu with 2 Manamorphose. One issue I realized was that by cutting Stubborn Denial, I had trouble getting an instant in the yard when I was up against decks where I cut my removal.


    Was your issue with multiples that you didn’t have enough other relevant cards? I haven’t really found multiples to be an issue because you can either discard them to each other if your hand is really good, or just play them otherwise. I’m glad you did well though, did you get to cast Bedlam Reveler at all?
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Death's Shadow Jund
    It is disadvantage, but most of the time you'll have something you don't mind getting rid of- discard spells, Traverse without delirium, excess lands. It helps shave dead cards as you segue into the mid game and let you keep the pressure on longer. I have had to adjust my mana base and spell distribution, it's really hard to make everything work when playing 4 colors. If I had the cards I'd try Grixis shadow with 4 Looting instead of Serum Visions.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Death's Shadow Jund
    Looks reasonable to me. I would also bring in your Young Pyros over your Dismembers and the Reveler over a Thoughtseize. It's really important to be presenting a threat on turn 2/3 in this matchup (especially without Stub), and it's probably bad for the burn player if they kill your Pyro (spells not going at your face) and bad if they don't (Pyro doing Pyro stuff). Reveler helps you dig to Brutality or refill after escalating one.

    I usually fetch for Blood Crypt -> Stomping Ground -> Overgrown Tomb, unless I'm planning to play 2 discard spells on turn 2. This deck does a lot with it's red mana, and when I was first trying out the deck and fetching Overgrown Tomb -> Blood Crypt -> Stomping Ground I found often found myself choked on red mana in the early turns.

    Good luck, please let us know how it goes!
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Death's Shadow Jund
    My plan for burn with the above list is:
    -4 Street Wraith
    -2 Dismember
    -2 Thoughtseize
    +2 Collective Brutality
    +2 Damping Sphere
    +2 Young Pyromancer
    +2 Grim Lavamancer

    Brutality is an obvious inclusion. Damping Sphere makes sense to me on paper because of the way Burn has to play the matchup. They're usually looking to poke us down with creatures and then burn us out over 1-2 turns with 3-4 spells. If Sphere can buy an extra turn or 2, I think it can have as much of an impact as Stubborn Denial, with the upside of not requiring fetching the splash color or holding up mana. They Pyros and the Lavamen just seem better than Dismember and the two Thoughtseize, and Burn is likely to cut Searing Blaze because it's bad agains Goyf and Shadow.

    I think that Burn will be challenging to sequence and navigate but I think this list could do it with tight play. If it feels really bad I would just find room for a 3rd Brutality.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Death's Shadow Jund
    It feels like a better version of what Manamorphose generally does for the deck. It provides additional card filtering (which is huge in a deck running 8 discard spells that are usually dead after turn 5), fuels delirium very aggressively, is better than Manamorphose in a 1-land hand, and generally just makes it very difficult for decks to run you completely out of gas. I think that Faithless Looting is really underplayed in Modern and after seeing the success of Mardu Pyromancer and Hollow One I wanted to give it a shot.

    This is what I'm looking to run through my next Modern league:



    Up until this point I've still been playing the blue splash for Stubborn Denial and Delay, but those cards aren't super well positioned right now so I'm going to try a straight Jund configuration. I haven't actually played the Revelers yet (previously a Hazoret and a Radiant Flames), but I want to see if the deck has enough spells to support them. If they're not good then I'll just go back to the previous two cards, which are fairly proven at this point. This deck is also so good at turning on delirium that I may swap the Grim Flayer out for the 4th Traverse.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Death's Shadow Jund
    I've been playing a list running Faithless Looting lately, has anyone else ever tried playing this card in Traverse Shadow? It feels like I never run out of gas and I haven't really had issues with grindier matchups because their removal just isn't tailored for Death's Shadow right now. I did feel like I needed to drop the blue splash because of the additional strain on the mana base, but Damping Sphere seems like it'll help fill the gaps left behind by the loss of Stubborn Denial.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Death's Shadow Jund
    What's more consistent about the Traverse build vs Grixis? I thought that consistency (via blue cantrips) was one of the reasons people migrated to Grixis in the first place?
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Jund
    Oh Manamorphose is legit. I was also hesitant to pull the trigger, but the deck is an absolute freight train when you cut some of the clunkier cards like Liliana for Manamorphose. I was playing on Monday, and on turn two with only a fetchland in the graveyard, I played manamorphose, which drew into Street Wraith, cycle Wraith and draw Bauble, crack Bauble, play a Grim Flayer and now I have delirium. It smooths out delirium really nicely, and also makes the deck much more resilient to Blood Moon and mana disruption.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Jund
    I've been playing Traverse Shadow for the last few weeks for that reason. I think the problem is that Jund wasn't well-positioned before BBE, and BBE isn't great against the current best decks in the format, and if you're going to run Jund without BBE then you're basically back to where we were before the unban. I think that the other issue is that Humans, Hollow One, and Affinity are all exploiting Jund's historic weakness to fliers, which is one of the reasons Mardu Pyro looks really appealing against those decks over Jund. If I wasn't on Shadow right now I'd be running Mardu.
    Posted in: Midrange
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