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  • posted a message on Ravnica Allegiance (RNA) and War of the Spark (WAR) General Discussion
    You know, there's something that had been annoying me ever since Tezzeret in Kaladesh, but in this RNA it's really being blown out of proportions: Planeswalkers just waltzing in one day and being immediately handed positions of power. I mean, at least Ral/Vraska/Domri have the excuse of being people who had lived on Ravnica for a LONG time, and were well-known in their respective guilds. And I suppose Kaya can get a pass because she did murder her way to the top, although that still doesn't explain why the whole guild just decided to obey her rather than, oh I dunno, fight her off.

    But Dovin? How can a guy show up out of nowhere, without any prior relationship with anything going on in this city, and be made the greatest and most powerful representative of its laws? Wouldn't there be, I dunno, some manner of background check, or some manner of order of merit ("the next grand arbiter is someone who'd been working as a top tier judge for years") or something like that? How does one go from complete stranger to guild leader and voice of the law in such a short period of time?

    And the thing that really grinds my gears is the fact that nobody questions it, with the exception of Lazav and that one sphinx, who are apparently the only people in Ravnica with any common sense... And even that is problematic: thought the sphinxes were important in the hierarchy of Azorius (what with the founder being one)? If they know what Dovin is up to, why did they allow him to get the spot in the first place?

    Am I the only one who's bothered by this?

    Dovin has the advantage of being very good with complicated systems and used loopholes. Remember the episode of Futurama with the Central Beurocracy? That is the Azorious Guild, who cares about common sense when you are technically correct about the Laws.
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on Ravnica Allegiance (RNA) and War of the Spark (WAR) General Discussion
    Flavour text from Azorius Guildgate:

    "If the populace fears our authority, then I'd say we have an appropriately sensible populace."
    -Dovin Baan

    He literally is treated like a -self aware- villain.

    If I lived on Ravnica I would be afraid of The Azorious's authority before Dovin got involved because they have had full authority with zero checks on their power outside of the Orzhov's ability to take advantage of loopholes in the laws that the Azorious pass, Even before Dovin showed up we have evidence of the Azorious Guild being villains with Vraska's imprisonment.

    Dovin is an antagonist yes, but he has a legitimate beef with the Gatewatch, because in their first two outings as the "full" Gatewatch they were ignoring their supposed mission for personal reasons.

    It should also be noted that Ixalan was a special case. On the other worlds, Azor could build whatever he wanted or was sensible for the plane in question from the ground up, while on Ixalan he had this powerful easily abusable artifact that he had to either hide somehow or give into the care of some mortals. He tried both, but the power of the sun is too alluring and he couldn't quite get rid of it. If Azor gets flak for mortals abusing the sun, then so should Karn get flak for causing the Mirari wars and the Karona disaster, which was several magnitudes worse than what happened on Ixalan.

    Karn -SHOULD- get Flak for the Karona disaster, but at least that was a legitimate mistake from the Mirari being flawed, especially as he was watching what was going down with the Mirari and did NOTHING about it, Oldwalkers being at best accidentally damaging to everything around them was a pretty constant thing as was discussed with the Sleeping Elephant comparison in the Shattered Alliance Novel.

    As for Ixalan, it is not a remote special case. Lets remember the initial plan was to Bring Pre-Mending Nicol Bolas to the plane to trap him there permanently. What do you think the effects of an Angry, Trapped Elder Dragon Planewalker are going to be on a Plane? Did Ugin and Azor care about the mortal population of the Plane they were bringing Nicol Bolas too? No they didn't. Then as you put it he gave the easily abused artifact to Mortals TWICE before hiding it. Azor's actions on Ixalan will have consequences for hundreds to thousands of years.

    And he has done this on "several planes" imposing HIS view of Law and Order on various planes, one of which was Ravnica who in 10K years of peace and stability seems to have a lower average Standard of living as Kaladesh does, and the "backup" Guildpact is a magically enforced dictatorship, let me repeat that.

    The Current Government of Ravnica, is a MAGICALLY ENFORCED DICTATORSHIP. That is what Oldwalker Azor does, "My first Guildpact failed so enjoy this dictator chosen by an arbitrary maze puzzle, I hope the Rakdos blood witch didn't win."
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on Ravnica Allegiance (RNA) and War of the Spark (WAR) General Discussion
    Dovin Baan and Azorious the Sphinx's treatment as cardboard villains are cases in point

    Dovin Baan really hasn't been treated as a villain, and frankly the man has a legit beef against the Gatewatch, now he is choosing a very poor outlet for that beef but frankly I do not think he would have any problem equating what happened on Kaladesh with what Bolas is going to do.

    As for Azorious, Oldwalkers almost always had the blind spot of "The things I do might harm those little people but they are really for the best because I say so." I wouldn't say he was treated as a badguy and more of a Child who got told to go sit in a corner and stop causing problems.
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on Ravnica Allegiance Gallery Up
    Quote from user-12976315 »
    Is anybody sad by the fact that not a single Spectacle card is an Instant or Flash spell? Seems that "opponent shockland + spectacle cost reduction" gonna never be a thing apparently...

    They wouldn't be able to make anything aggressively costed, if Skewer the Critics were an instant for would just be a Lightning bolt in Modern.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Random Card of the Day: Jareth, Leonine Titan
    Quote from Igzex »

    Isn't Dromar worse? Half of the time he will bounce himself.

    Still, bouncing a chunk of the field is a lot better than paying 3 for hopefully more than 4-5 life points.

    I have experience with both, and I almost always grab Dromar when I need to clear the field a bit over Oros, the color based clause on Oros hurts most of the time, It really should have been a banefire dragon like effect.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on Random Card of the Day: Jareth, Leonine Titan
    Quote from tstorm823 »
    Oros, the Avenger

    I'm happy we haven't done this one before, just so I get to type Oros, the Avenger. Of the hit and they do something dragons, I think this one suffers least or close to least from the "no, don't die from commander damage, I want to keep hitting you!" effect.

    This is probably the one I look for the least in my Scion deck, the non white clause makes it a bad answer to one of the common "Go Wide" colors.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Unreleased and New Card Discussion
    Quote from cyberium_neo »
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    I like that Sphinx of the Chimes finally got their payoff

    Nice idea: you can ‚cycle‘ the Petitioners for getting more Petitioners and then a mass reanimate via Immortal Servitude.

    Let's make an Esper bureaucracy deck!

    Who shall lead this evil???

    Oloro, the life gain means the Bereaucracy lasts longer.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on What SCG Con Taught Sheldon About Commander And Its Players
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    That is where the problem lies though. If they make the ban list too big, people will stop playing, and if the ban list is abolished, even more nasty things will come out. I say abolish the list and keep P9 and balance on the list. With that effect in play, the community will change tactics. You play a deck that is not fun, play with others who are playing only to win. I try to avoid playing against CEDH decks, but I will pull out my Jhoira deck when that is the only option... or had a game where i was not allowed to play stuff because all 3 opponents would target me with removal and counters. Even when i had NOTHING)
    Could you expand on why you think the 'P9 plus Balance' ban list would shift the tactics of the community if the current one does not? I don't seem to see the logical connection.

    Cards like Channel, Leovold, Worldfire would all become available to players meaning that a lot more decks and strategies could be used. Tolarian acadmey would be available to players to counteract Cradle, i mean balance does not have to be banned but it is like a P9 to me. I would ban timtwister as well as it is still a P9.

    That is where the shift begins, Casuals unable to keep playing as people get the more expensive (time vault) cards and start going ham. I would probably find a way to make Thursday night EDH just with friends, we may meet up but not play against people running 10k decks. I run a 10k deck but it is just expensive lands (The rest of the deck costs like, maybe $100, IF THAT)

    I play new people all the time but if I am going to start constantly playing people who run decks that start running you over, its no longer fun. People hate my Jhoira deck, AND I DON'T BLAME THEM.

    My playgroup has "No Bans" Once a month where we use pretty gross..I legit stopped playing Saheeli the Gifted those weeks after a turn 1.5 Emrakul.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on Dovin's Acuity
    Quote from 13055 »
    I'm not sure what that flavor text is supposed to be for... To remind people that Kaladeshi Vedalken have six fingers? To actually come out and say that the five PWs of GRN/RNA are Bolas aligned (as if this wasn't blatantly obvious already)? Just seems...weird.

    Remember at the time of Kaladesh the Gatewatch had 6 members, the Core 5 and Ajani, also remember that the Gatewatch embarrassed Dovin, came in and helped the Revolution after saying "No we don't interfere in things unless it is a Planeswalker causing them" when Dovin asked them to provide security. From his point of view the Gatewatch told him his problems weren't "worth their time" and then turned around and helped cause the very thing he was asking them to prevent.

    He has a very good reason to want to come to Ravnica and wreck their system and well..six planeswalkers on the Gatewatch side..and six planeswalkers (as far as he knows) on His side.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Ravnica Art Book -Spoilers
    I guess they're really gung ho with the "telling a compelling story" shindig and letting details scatter and assemble themselves :p

    Details matter when telling a compelling story.
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on Font of Agonies
    Quote from Kelzam »
    So red gets a 7cmc enchantment that has the potential to literally do nothing for multiple turns. And black gets this. Seems fair.

    Jokes aside, as an edh player I love this card. "that many" makes it so easy to add counters.

    Just continuing Red's long history of expensive, useless Enchantments like Haphazard Bombardment :p But yes, this is a very sweet design!

    Can we stop for a moment, and be completely surprised that The Shadows over Innistrad block did not have an overcosted Red Enchantment that made Madness costs 0
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Fireblade Artist
    Quote from RedGauntlet »
    Thats a human??

    Ravnica is a weird place, long ago I complained about the art for Tetsuko not fitting in with Dominaria, that is because Ravnica is much more of a "Magic Punk" place than Dominaria is, so art like hers and this guy fit..the Simic 100% sell "GROW YOUR OWN DEMON HORNS!" potions on the street.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on ChannelFireball Preview - Kaya's Wrath
    Are you rich? Have you invested lots of money into rare dual lands? Congratulations, you can now win at magic!

    welcome magic since..the invention of Modern? Probably before that.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Tolarian Community College spoiler: Domri, Chaos Bringer
    So drop this thing turn 3 with Llanowar, plus 1 him to put another llanowar down..

    next turn Drop a Carnage Tyrant with Riot?
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Ravnica Art Book -Spoilers
    So not only was Isperia written to be oblivious, but literally dumb.

    That is my problem with Ravnica post Ravnica 1, everyone has to have gone completely stupid for any of this to make sense.

    Jarad apparently went Evil for the Lulz, The Boros eject Feather because reasons? The Ghost Quarter closes and shuts off the actual sequel hook in order to have a maze, The Simic have zero back up leadership apparently and completely fall apart till the Fishes show up, The Ghost Council go into a meeting with Teysa who last we saw they had put into a FREAKING SECRET GULAG without wondering how exactly she got released, Niv Mizzet has known about Planeswalkers the entire time and didn't think to maybe tell Jace of Ral that he knows what is up.

    Rakdos of all people seems to be the most sane and sensible person on the entire plane sometimes. "Recruit the crazy people and let them run rampant and paint he town red with blood so I wake up once in a while."

    Edit : Oh and don't forget the whole "Lets ignore the second Guildpact despite the fact the first one kept us(the guilds) in power for TEN THOUSAND YEARS."
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
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