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  • posted a message on New Book - War of the Spark: Forsaken
    Liliana survives?

    Okay, I am out. Mtg is written by morons.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Ravnica Allegiance (RNA) and War of the Spark (WAR) General Discussion
    Quote from svan3 »
    Yea id be pissed if this is the last Ugin PW card we get. He also deserves another spotlight in story. Sorin and Nahiri got multiple spotlights recently and Ugin who is arguably more powerful than both of them only , only has a few supporting roles? He holds the same underlying influence that bolas does, yet he has har such little involvement. Sorry, just my opinion


    Ugin being so powerful is probably why he takes a backseat in the story.
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on 4 Lords of Limited preview cards
    Boros, Simic and Dimir working together?


    This was what Bolas was trying to split the guilds for, The Guildpact is good for all 10 guilds and Bolas destroying it is bad.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Unreleased and New Card Discussion
    I don't think that new Tezzeret is all that dangerous, Affinity was a lot of pieces and the engines for those pieces weren't often artifacts, you will need an absurdly potent draw engine to back up those zero cost artifacts, after all you will need 40 Artifacts to kill someone with that, and if you have drawn and landed 40 permanents..chances are you are gonna win regardless.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on Sorin and Nahiri cards
    wasn't just vengeance against Sorin, it was helping Zendikar as well.


    It was both, the fact that it helped Zendikar does not change the fact that she specifically dragged Emrakul to Innistrad to cause as much harm to Innistrad as possible. Purposefully diverting a weapon of mass to a populated area so it doesn't land on your house is terrible but understandable, having that weapon of mass destruction fall on another country because you don't like one of it's inhabitants is reprehensible.

    Still not seeing "lethal" force, especially given how hard it is to kill an Oldwalker


    Because killing an oldwalker only requires dealing enough damage at once to completely disrupt their thought process, Dyfed was killed by a completely normal scalpel, given that Sorin spent an unknown amount of time doing a pair of rituals that we know for a fact expended the majority of his power, Nahiri's initial assault could very well have killed Sorin.

    He gave her the chance to leave doesn't mean he was in the right.


    No, but it means that he is perfectly in the right to defend himself from an assailant. You keep glossing over the fact that she assaulted him, she is a threat to him. Sorin gave her more chances than she really deserved and Nahiri had made it crystal clear that she was going to continue to assault him unless he stopped her.

    'm also finding it really weird that you think "White-aligned"


    I am not arguing that at all, Sorin being Orzhov definitely makes sense. He has a specific goal that he cares about and will achieve that goal at all costs.

    He could have chosen to check in before he did the spell.


    He had no reason too, Ugin's Eye hadn't gone off, and neither Nahiri or Ugin had come to tell him anything was up, and through the entire fight Nahiri couldn't be bothered to take a day or two to find either of them. Do you think Sorin would have ignored her if she had showed up and said "THE ELDRAZI ARE GETTING FREE?" instead of showing up after she strengthened the seal and starting the conversation with. "They were getting free but I fixed it."

    saying "I fixed it" means that there is no current danger, note how Sorin did show up when the Eye went off in Zendikar 1.

    He could have researched what he was doing more carefully.


    With who exactly? We don't have many examples of something close to what Sorin did and none of them are really natural occurrences. Neither Ravnica nor Dominaria's sharding effects were on purpose.

    But beyond that he doesn't care.


    We don't know that, simply because Nahiri..told him that everything was fine.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Sorin and Nahiri cards
    I... never said they were mutually exclusive. Saying "it wasn't just vengeance" clearly says that she's doing both.


    Because it is about motivation, at the point that she was assaulting him it was very clearly about vengeance, "You are coming to Zendikar or else." isn't to save Zendikar. Nahiri went there looking for a fight under the lie of "I wanna make sure my friend is okay."

    She wasn't trying to kill him. She wanted to drag him back to Zendikar.


    Using potentially lethal force against someone she knew was in no condition to fight back, she realized that he was over exerted the moment he didn't instantly thump her.

    And locking someone up forever when someone is trying to make you honor your promise to me is an overreaction.


    When they are continuing to assault you with lethal force after he very clearly told her to go home after he had her trapped with Helvault magic already. He gave her the chance to leave.

    Don't make promises you can't keep


    Any other time he would have been fully capable of keeping it Nahiri just picked an incredibly poor time to show up. if Nahiri had come back after Sorin had gotten some rest, and talked to him like a rational being instead of trying to stick flaming swords in his chest. You keep ignoring the fact that Sorin was exhausted, despite being Godlike Old-walkers did have limits. Here is the correct answer for what a White-Alighted character should have done the moment she realized that Sorin was already at his limits.

    "What the heck did you do to yourself? I am going to go tell Ugin about this..and when we come back we can go to Zendikar and check things out." at which point they would have had a MUCH more important topic to deal with. Something far FAR more important than their little lover's spat.

    Ugin being dead.

    Not needing his help right then doesn't exempt him from the promise though.


    No but do you know what does excuse him? The fact that he didn't hear the eye go off due to an accident, an unintended consequence of his Avacyn spell. It was not purposeful, it was not malicious.

    And as a note (and I am not really sure cuz not a Vorthos) but it seems like the Helvault's magic is very intricate as Liliana had to weave a spell in which Thalia had to choose for it to open instead of Lilly just breaking it herself. I don't think it was possible for Sorin to just take her out.


    Once again, if we take the card Helvault into consideration, the only way to let something out is to destroy the entire thing.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Unreleased and New Card Discussion
    Re : Deathsprout

    I think you guys and gals are a little too down on this card, I view it like a Modal spell, you can either kill an important threat..or Ramp if you need too, it is like Murder or Natural Connection with an extra mode for 1 more.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on Ravnica Allegiance (RNA) and War of the Spark (WAR) General Discussion
    People are thinking of the "Why hasn't X shown up question" WAY to deeply.

    We know that there is some sense of distance in the Blind Eternities and that planes move about. If you want to know why someone didn't appear? It is because they were too far away from Ravnica, for all we know The planes that Baldy, Loli, and The Lannisters come from are halfway across the Multiverse and they have never even heard of Ravnica or Nicol Bolas.
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on Sorin and Nahiri cards
    That's why she tried to lure them away as well. It wasn't just vengeance. It was to save Zendikar.


    Those are not mutually exclusive things, She could have lured them anywhere she chose Innistrad specifically to cause Sorin pain.

    It's not like his only options were "seal her away or die".


    Yes, yes they were. Sorin gave her several chances to leave and she kept trying to kill him, he was acting purely out of self defense and given that he was weak from making Avacyn and pulling the Helvault down, going into a protracted Planeswalker duel would have been a not great idea.

    And Sorin locked someone up forever (clearly he had zero intentions of ever getting her out, so it was clearly meant to be as long as possible)


    Yes Sorin locked someone who was actively trying to kill him up forever what a terrible crime, and intentions don't matter as Sorin might not have actually been able to let her out, especially post mending.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Ravnica Allegiance (RNA) and War of the Spark (WAR) General Discussion
    I doubt Ugin is ever going to go full Villain, ultimately is benevolent he just has a "Needs of the Many vs the Needs of the few"
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on Tolsimir, Friend to Wolves
    They couldn't have like..cheated and give Voja firebreathing so this boi could be Werewolf Tribal general in EDH?
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Mothership spoilers 04/03/19
    not of sound mind in this part of the story,


    Urza wasn't of sound mind at any point past Tocasia's death. I think it is telling of the level of writing of that Saga that the main hero was a very broken broken man that in any other storyline would have probably been the antagonist or the mad prophet and the absolute weight that he felt about opening the Gate to Phyrexia..because ultimately he would rather have just hid in his lab and tinkered with his machines rather than be involved in any of it.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Sorin and Nahiri cards
    Quote from Xeruh »
    Sorin's biggest screw up wasn't accidental. He sealed Nahiri in the Helvault very much on purpose. And I don't really agree with Nahiri being "more" wrong, as well it feels like quibbling over pretty small degrees of "wrong" relatively speaking. They're both very bad.


    Sorin stuffing Nahiri in the vault wasn't remotely a crime. She attacked him, she swung first. Yes he was being a dismissive jerk, but Nahiri already admitted that she had handled the problem, and even after she assaulted him he gave her the chance to leave. Sorin is a jerk, a massive one. However he gave Nahiri every out to go back to Zendikar, and she made it clear that she wouldn't leave.

    EDIT: as a final note: why the hell put a lock on the eldrazi cell? Any lock can be picked (that's exactly what happened). If you want to keep something locked forever you don't put a lock on the celldoor, you weld it shut then pour concrete over it! Ugin is an a**hole!


    That is because Ugin is..the Mirror of Nicol Bolas. Nicol Bolas ultimately selfish and destructive but so long as you are of value to him he will probably treat you really well. Ugin is ultimately benevolent and helpful..in the very very long term so he really doesn't care about individuals, so he would put a lock on just in case he deems it "helpful" to unleash the Eldrazi. This is why he didn't reveal that the Eldrazi could actually be killed.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Sorin and Nahiri cards
    Yeah the destruction of Zendikar is Ugin, Sorin, Nahiri, Bolas, Chandra, Jace, Sarkhan, Nissa and Ob's fault.
    The destruction of Innistrad was all Nahiri's.


    Except that at the time that Sorin put Nahiri in the Helvault it wasn't destroyed, Nahiri showed up after she patched the first Eldrazi leak, Sorin's only crime before he stuffed her in the vault was being distracted making Avacyn and the fact that Avacyn's protective ward on the plane screwed up Ugin's signal beacon that something was wrong with the seal.

    it’s ridiculous to pin it only on Nahiri. They’re both in the wrong by a ridiculous amount.


    And one still manages to not only be more wrong, but also be massively hypocritical because Nahiri noped out and sealed herself in a coffin for decades instead of watching the Eldrazi, she couldn't even be bothered to go talk to Ugin or Sorin and say "hey I am going a bit stir crazy..can one of you two watch over this for a bit while I take a break.

    And Sorin has, repeatedly, screwed up too.


    and Sorin's biggest screw up was accidental in nature.

    We have no idea what she was going to do with regards to Ugin just yet.


    Probably try to Yell at him and proceed to get Ghostfired because Ugin isn't as nice as Sorin is, but Ugin was dead/hedron'd at the moment.

    It was classic eye for an eye logic. You wreck my planet, I wreck your planet


    Except that Sorin didn't, Sorin tried to stop it in Zendikar 1, Sarkhan, Nissa, Jace and Chandra boned that up, Nahiri didn't even try.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Sorin and Nahiri cards
    Couldn't the exact same thing be said about Sorin? Seems like you're signaling her out for things that they're both guilty of, but giving Sorin a pass.


    Except they aren't guilty of the same thing, not remotely. Sorin's antagonistic act was an accident. Nahiri did what she did on purpose, and of note. Neither of these two are really in a position to know what is going on as Nahiri likely doesn't even know who Bolas is, and Sorin was out of commission for the last few months.

    You have two people who actively want to kill each other getting yanked to one spot, what do you think is going to happen?
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
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