Quote from svan3 »Yea id be pissed if this is the last Ugin PW card we get. He also deserves another spotlight in story. Sorin and Nahiri got multiple spotlights recently and Ugin who is arguably more powerful than both of them only , only has a few supporting roles? He holds the same underlying influence that bolas does, yet he has har such little involvement. Sorry, just my opinion
Boros, Simic and Dimir working together?
wasn't just vengeance against Sorin, it was helping Zendikar as well.
Still not seeing "lethal" force, especially given how hard it is to kill an Oldwalker
He gave her the chance to leave doesn't mean he was in the right.
'm also finding it really weird that you think "White-aligned"
He could have chosen to check in before he did the spell.
He could have researched what he was doing more carefully.
But beyond that he doesn't care.
I... never said they were mutually exclusive. Saying "it wasn't just vengeance" clearly says that she's doing both.
She wasn't trying to kill him. She wanted to drag him back to Zendikar.
And locking someone up forever when someone is trying to make you honor your promise to me is an overreaction.
Don't make promises you can't keep
Not needing his help right then doesn't exempt him from the promise though.
And as a note (and I am not really sure cuz not a Vorthos) but it seems like the Helvault's magic is very intricate as Liliana had to weave a spell in which Thalia had to choose for it to open instead of Lilly just breaking it herself. I don't think it was possible for Sorin to just take her out.
That's why she tried to lure them away as well. It wasn't just vengeance. It was to save Zendikar.
It's not like his only options were "seal her away or die".
And Sorin locked someone up forever (clearly he had zero intentions of ever getting her out, so it was clearly meant to be as long as possible)
not of sound mind in this part of the story,
Quote from Xeruh »Sorin's biggest screw up wasn't accidental. He sealed Nahiri in the Helvault very much on purpose. And I don't really agree with Nahiri being "more" wrong, as well it feels like quibbling over pretty small degrees of "wrong" relatively speaking. They're both very bad.
EDIT: as a final note: why the hell put a lock on the eldrazi cell? Any lock can be picked (that's exactly what happened). If you want to keep something locked forever you don't put a lock on the celldoor, you weld it shut then pour concrete over it! Ugin is an a**hole!
Yeah the destruction of Zendikar is Ugin, Sorin, Nahiri, Bolas, Chandra, Jace, Sarkhan, Nissa and Ob's fault.
The destruction of Innistrad was all Nahiri's.
it’s ridiculous to pin it only on Nahiri. They’re both in the wrong by a ridiculous amount.
And Sorin has, repeatedly, screwed up too.
We have no idea what she was going to do with regards to Ugin just yet.
It was classic eye for an eye logic. You wreck my planet, I wreck your planet
Couldn't the exact same thing be said about Sorin? Seems like you're signaling her out for things that they're both guilty of, but giving Sorin a pass.