My scumdar really ping'd when he said what he did about whoever had the knife. It's been made very clear that whoever has the knife isn't going to say anything about it. Personally, I'm starting to believe he has it.
The only thing I can't figure out now is if he's bussing g_d, or if there really are two town non-voters in this game...
Phone Post...Catching up...catching up....stop spewing your crap...blah blah blah
And yet I'M the one not contributing?
What have YOU done aside from have to try and slander me? You're caught bro, just deal with it. I don't need to analyze anything further, because I don't see how a game could get passed with two town non-voters in a Mini, AND YOU ****ING AGREED WITH ME.
So since we're both in agreement, all we have to do is look at the cases. I pegged Zeld as scum BECAUSE OF HIS BEHAVIOR early on D1. He melted down on everyone because he forgot that instead of a vote he was lowering the lynch threshold. It got so bad he replaced out, and you got the unfortunate job of trying to clean up his mess.
We all seem to be in agreement that one of the two non-voters should die today, and I'm not the one that has failed to prove my role as of yet.
I love this. The guy admits in his own notes that there's no way there can be 2 voteless townies in a game with 3 scum. I've proven that I can't vote anybody, and can only vote no-lynch. He is claiming that Zeld misread his Role PM, the ensuing meltdown was a town meltdown, and now he claims he can hammer but hasn't proven it yet.
The ONLY thing I don't like about this is that my number 2 scum suspect is calling him out as well, but at this point it wouldn't surprise me at all that Voxx is bussing G_D because he knows he can't save him.
There is really nothing more to be said. The information is there, and we're just failing to capitalize.
EBWOP: And if it just so happens that there ARE two town no-voters, it is my opinion that the town was doomed from the start, and it's not our fault but a set-up problem.
What specific things has Kraj (kpaca) done that makes you think he is more scummish than townish? And what about Manders?
If you have to ask that question, you haven't been reading what I've been saying or the game. I don't feel he's a lock for scum, but the way that kpaca was playing didn't seem beneficial to the town. So he's "neutral" in my eyes, but leaning towards the scummish side of the middle rather than the townish, that's the best way I can put it.
How do you "have no reads one way or the other" on Manders but still claim she seems scummy? Clearly there is a reason why you put her on "slightly scum" instead of "slightly town".
Don't misrep me, I didn't say she seemed scummy I said her play has been more scummish than townish. She is in that section of my "neutral pile" solely for the hammer on DK. She hasn't come off one way or the other to me at all.
I'm not convinced yet. We need to be extra careful today or it will most likely result in a scum win, no?
I'm not liking your pandering of late. Your hesitation, spotless towniness, it feels forced to me. And asking all these questions? It just occurred to me that the best way to avoid questions is to be the one asking them. I've explained to you 3 times why I don't like T/S lists, and yet you keep asking me about mine. In fact, on my T/S list that I hate so much, I would actually put you third from the bottom on the scumminess pile.
The correct play for today is to lynch a no voter, and after everything that has been presented against G_D, if we don't lynch him then we deserve to lose this game. End of story.
Best case scenario: We vote no-lynch, and the mafia doesn't NK anyone. We wind up in the exact same position we are now. That's all fine and dandy because we get a little bit more time to discuss things, except for:
Worst case scenario: We vote no-lynch, and the mafia DOES NK someone. That puts ours backs completely against the wall, exactly where we're at right now, except for the fact that we have one less TOWN opinion to be heard.
Either one seems terrible in my opinion, but it's being made VERY clear to me that my opinions are garbage when I play mafia, so whatever.
From where I stand right now (and I realize that as I'm the only one that knows definitively that I'm town I'm the only one that can see it this way):
Either there are two non-voters in this game that are both town which is GROSSLY skewed in favor of the mafia,
OR
One of me and G_D is scum. He can't vote, but we mysteriously have a lowered lynch threshold that NOBODY has come forward to claim, so we should assume that it is scum. A non-voting scum that makes up for the inability to vote with a lowered lynch threshold seems to me to be the perfect scum role. I've already PROVEN that I can vote no-lynch and that's it, G_D has had TWO chances to prove he can hammer and hasn't done it, and even seemed slightly defeated earlier toDay.
Buuuuut, as my opinions are garbage, and I don't even have a ****ing vote I say ya'll do whatever the hell you want, cuz you're going to anyways.
I was tunneling this game hard, I'll admit but my meta shows that I'm prone to overreactions, and when someone is telling me that I'm wrong about everything, and then looking as scummy as you were DRey, I tend to get upset about that. In my head I was positive that Nis was scum because as I was doing the PBPA all he had done in my opinion was defend Wheat.
I'll take town LVP though, as I pushed so hard for the Nis lynch. I had suspicions of AE, and its no offense to him, but he lurks sooo hard in every game I've ever seen him in that I tend to just forget about him. And Zindabad was flawless, I never once suspected him.
All in all it was a good game, it was a lot closer than I thought it'd be, and it was an excellent setup.
what is there to explain? You, and zionite have done things that have seemed more townish than scumish, and Manders and Kpaca (now Kraj) have done things to think they are more scummish than townish. I would've put a neutral column for Ximbad and Manders, but I didn't want anyone thinking I meant they were neutral. I feel those two I have no reads on one way or the other.
If I had a vote, it would be on G_D. I've said it a BILLION times it feels like, but his responses and whatnot are reading as defeated scum as well. If we need to figure out what to do Tomorrow that's fine, but I think there is no doubt that he is today's lynch.
Also, I think it was Tom who asked me why I'm against T/S lists. I believe I answered this in the post where I made mine, but its pretty much because I have 2 people I believe to be scum right now, and no real reads on everyone else. Hence, I think they're kind of pointless in my opinion, but I still laid it out as best as I could.
Greymon/Manders, can you please read my last post? And g_d, I would like some explanation on your t/s list when you get a chance.
I did read your last post. I've already stated that I think Voxx is scum, and I don't think you should be demanding stuff from people. I'm largely of the belief that town/scum lists are pointless, but just to humor you if I had one it would look like this:
Town
Me
Slightly Town:
Zionite
Tom88
Ximbad
Slightly Scum:
MandersHex
Kraj
Scum:
Voxxicus
G_D
I said that if G_D didn't hammer on D2 that I would push to the fullest extent of my abilities for his lynch, and that's what I'm planning on doing. He didn't hammer, he is not an actor in my opinion, all of the evidence points this way, and that's where I choose to go from here. Voxxicus is also scum in my opinion, townies don't hide behind their role claims that badly.
But like I said, T/S lists are worthless in my opinion. The only person I'm sure is town is me, and the only two I have solid reads on are Voxx and G_D, everyone else is literally in the middle for me.
My scumdar really ping'd when he said what he did about whoever had the knife. It's been made very clear that whoever has the knife isn't going to say anything about it. Personally, I'm starting to believe he has it.
The only thing I can't figure out now is if he's bussing g_d, or if there really are two town non-voters in this game...
Vote: Kittycupcake for being first
I'm in 1 game at the moment.
And yet I'M the one not contributing?
What have YOU done aside from have to try and slander me? You're caught bro, just deal with it. I don't need to analyze anything further, because I don't see how a game could get passed with two town non-voters in a Mini, AND YOU ****ING AGREED WITH ME.
So since we're both in agreement, all we have to do is look at the cases. I pegged Zeld as scum BECAUSE OF HIS BEHAVIOR early on D1. He melted down on everyone because he forgot that instead of a vote he was lowering the lynch threshold. It got so bad he replaced out, and you got the unfortunate job of trying to clean up his mess.
We all seem to be in agreement that one of the two non-voters should die today, and I'm not the one that has failed to prove my role as of yet.
The ONLY thing I don't like about this is that my number 2 scum suspect is calling him out as well, but at this point it wouldn't surprise me at all that Voxx is bussing G_D because he knows he can't save him.
There is really nothing more to be said. The information is there, and we're just failing to capitalize.
If you have to ask that question, you haven't been reading what I've been saying or the game. I don't feel he's a lock for scum, but the way that kpaca was playing didn't seem beneficial to the town. So he's "neutral" in my eyes, but leaning towards the scummish side of the middle rather than the townish, that's the best way I can put it.
Don't misrep me, I didn't say she seemed scummy I said her play has been more scummish than townish. She is in that section of my "neutral pile" solely for the hammer on DK. She hasn't come off one way or the other to me at all.
I'm not liking your pandering of late. Your hesitation, spotless towniness, it feels forced to me. And asking all these questions? It just occurred to me that the best way to avoid questions is to be the one asking them. I've explained to you 3 times why I don't like T/S lists, and yet you keep asking me about mine. In fact, on my T/S list that I hate so much, I would actually put you third from the bottom on the scumminess pile.
The correct play for today is to lynch a no voter, and after everything that has been presented against G_D, if we don't lynch him then we deserve to lose this game. End of story.
Best case scenario: We vote no-lynch, and the mafia doesn't NK anyone. We wind up in the exact same position we are now. That's all fine and dandy because we get a little bit more time to discuss things, except for:
Worst case scenario: We vote no-lynch, and the mafia DOES NK someone. That puts ours backs completely against the wall, exactly where we're at right now, except for the fact that we have one less TOWN opinion to be heard.
Either one seems terrible in my opinion, but it's being made VERY clear to me that my opinions are garbage when I play mafia, so whatever.
From where I stand right now (and I realize that as I'm the only one that knows definitively that I'm town I'm the only one that can see it this way):
Either there are two non-voters in this game that are both town which is GROSSLY skewed in favor of the mafia,
OR
One of me and G_D is scum. He can't vote, but we mysteriously have a lowered lynch threshold that NOBODY has come forward to claim, so we should assume that it is scum. A non-voting scum that makes up for the inability to vote with a lowered lynch threshold seems to me to be the perfect scum role. I've already PROVEN that I can vote no-lynch and that's it, G_D has had TWO chances to prove he can hammer and hasn't done it, and even seemed slightly defeated earlier toDay.
Buuuuut, as my opinions are garbage, and I don't even have a ****ing vote I say ya'll do whatever the hell you want, cuz you're going to anyways.
/rageexplosion
I was tunneling this game hard, I'll admit but my meta shows that I'm prone to overreactions, and when someone is telling me that I'm wrong about everything, and then looking as scummy as you were DRey, I tend to get upset about that. In my head I was positive that Nis was scum because as I was doing the PBPA all he had done in my opinion was defend Wheat.
I'll take town LVP though, as I pushed so hard for the Nis lynch. I had suspicions of AE, and its no offense to him, but he lurks sooo hard in every game I've ever seen him in that I tend to just forget about him. And Zindabad was flawless, I never once suspected him.
All in all it was a good game, it was a lot closer than I thought it'd be, and it was an excellent setup.
If I had a vote, it would be on G_D. I've said it a BILLION times it feels like, but his responses and whatnot are reading as defeated scum as well. If we need to figure out what to do Tomorrow that's fine, but I think there is no doubt that he is today's lynch.
I did read your last post. I've already stated that I think Voxx is scum, and I don't think you should be demanding stuff from people. I'm largely of the belief that town/scum lists are pointless, but just to humor you if I had one it would look like this:
Town
Me
Slightly Town:
Zionite
Tom88
Ximbad
Slightly Scum:
MandersHex
Kraj
Scum:
Voxxicus
G_D
I said that if G_D didn't hammer on D2 that I would push to the fullest extent of my abilities for his lynch, and that's what I'm planning on doing. He didn't hammer, he is not an actor in my opinion, all of the evidence points this way, and that's where I choose to go from here. Voxxicus is also scum in my opinion, townies don't hide behind their role claims that badly.
But like I said, T/S lists are worthless in my opinion. The only person I'm sure is town is me, and the only two I have solid reads on are Voxx and G_D, everyone else is literally in the middle for me.
Agreed. I have no idea what happened to cause him to get banned, but we need to finish this for him.