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  • posted a message on Ravnica Allegiance (RNA) and War of the Spark (WAR) General Discussion
    Quote from Xeruh »

    I feel like Maro really gets why just killing characters off haphazardly is pretty bad. There isn't any merit in just tossing characters into a grinder, even if some people like it that doesn't really resonate with most people.

    I get that, and I agree they shouldn't have just killed off a ton of walkers for the hell of it. But Vivien and Samut have no purpose now that Bolas is dead, their entire story was based around getting revenge on Bolas and now he's gone. And the writers haven't known what to do with Kiora since the Eldrazi plot ended. Keeping some of these characters around is pointless, I get the sense we won't even see them in any major capacity again.
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  • posted a message on Ravnica Allegiance (RNA) and War of the Spark (WAR) General Discussion
    Also gee WOTC talks a big game about diversity puts Teferi on the Gatewatch then proceeds to have him do nothing of note in War of the Spark. After having him do very little against Belzenlok in Dominaria besides job with Jaya and Karn to the like of Urgoros. Classic at least Ajani got flavor text in this set.

    I'd wait to actually read the full story before assuming that Teferi didn't do anything. I'm sure there are plenty of plot points that the cards and leaked summaries didn't mention. Just because Teferi didn't get the final blow on Bolas doesn't mean he's irrelevant. I do agree with you about the Dominaria story though.
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  • posted a message on Ravnica Allegiance (RNA) and War of the Spark (WAR) General Discussion
    Didn't expect Lili to turn on him. One, he is a telepath. Two, he only got control cause she just killed 4 demons so trusting Lili would be dumb for Bolas. But I see plenty are fine with using arrogance to justify any amount of stupidity from Bolas.

    He had a contingency plan for Liliana turning on him: using her Demonic Pact to kill her instantly. It makes sense that he wouldn't have expected Gideon to switch the contract to himself. As far as I know, Gideon hasn't even used his hieromancy abilities since he initially sparked.

    Also they apparently forgot Bolas can Fly, is a Telepath and a Necromancer. So even if Lili wanted to turn on Bolas, she should be mind controlled into submission. Last I checked Gideon's Invulnerability didn't come with mental protection.

    Where did Bolas find this spell again? I think it make more sense for him to research it himself then find it....

    Even if I buy your logic it doesn't work. Cause he can fly out of range, use his necromancy to control Oketra or just mind control Lili outright.

    How much time do you think passed between Liliana's betrayal and Bolas' death? From what I can tell, everything happened within the span of a minute or less. Bolas got dogpiled by two gods and by a dragon as large as him wielding a third god's weapon, he didn't have a lot of time to do much of anything other than reflexively try to fight off his attackers.
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  • posted a message on Ravnica Allegiance (RNA) and War of the Spark (WAR) General Discussion
    Quote from Kman »
    Um..screw the I dont DIE if an eternal takes my spark about I (Bolas) make them so if they touch me I dont get desparked.

    Why are you assuming that's even an option? It might not have been possible to make the Eternals' spark-draining ability work selectively.

    So he protected himself from deathtouch but not Spark removal?

    First off, Bolas didn't expect Liliana to turn on him, and he definitely didn't expect her to survive if she did betray him. He probably didn't think she'd be capable of taking control of the Dreadhorde from him either (the rules and flavor text for Command the Dreadhorde show that it took a lot of mental effort and the power of the Chain Veil).

    But more importantly, Bolas can't be harmed by the normal Eternals because he's physically invulnerable, so even if someone did manage to steal his army, he still didn't have too much to worry about. Remember, they have to actually hurt a planeswalker to steal their spark; it's not like they can do it automatically with just a touch, otherwise Teyo would've lost his spark when that Eternal was pinning him down. Only the gods and their weapons can hurt Bolas, and he probably figured Liliana didn't have the strength of will to command them (and maybe she didn't, the flavor text for Despark makes it sound like she just set them free to take revenge of their own accord, rather than controlling them directly).

    Quote from Ulgrim »
    Exactly this!
    Bolas goes so far to make sure that Blackblade doesn't harm him but he forgets to make himself immune to his own Eternals? wtf?!

    He was already immune to the normal Eternals by virtue of being effectively invulnerable. He specifically protected himself from the Blackblade because that's one of the few things that could have potentially harmed him, along with Hazoret's spear and Oketra's bow and Bontu's fangs. I suppose he made a mistake in not protecting himself from the gods too (assuming he even had the capability), but it's an understandable one.
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  • posted a message on Ravnica Allegiance (RNA) and War of the Spark (WAR) General Discussion
    Quote from Perkunas687 »
    So Maro said the Eternals kill when they despark someone. We have a 'Despark' card with two big Eternals apparently desparking 'someone,' but that someone appears later on a card in a different area.

    I hope this is cleared up at some point.

    It's the same as Bolas' first defeat. His body is destroyed while his spirit is trapped in the Meditation Realm. Judging from Finale of Revelation, Ugin takes advantage of the link they have through the Gem of Becoming to contain Bolas' spirit after he falls.
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  • posted a message on Ravnica Allegiance (RNA) and War of the Spark (WAR) General Discussion
    That's exactly how I feel. I was following the leaks from the start, and initially they seemed fairly disappointing, with some plot threads apparently dropped and seemingly random new ones thrown in. But as more details started coming in, it all started making sense, and I'm actually pretty happy with how everything turned out.

    The twist with Chandra's Triumph is probably the best example of what I mean. When I first read that, I just thought "wow, that's really weird and totally out of left field." But then I found out why things happened that way and it's actually pretty brilliant.
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  • posted a message on Apparent WAR novel spoilers.
    It's in the "MtG lore thread" on the Traditional Games board.
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  • posted a message on Apparent WAR novel spoilers.
    It's been established that the Eternals steal planeswalkers' sparks when they kill them.
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  • posted a message on Apparent WAR novel spoilers.
    This mostly seems to match the leaked spoilers that got deleted, with a few key differences. There's also a very detailed plot summary up on 4chan that follows a very similar outline, but again, some of the details don't quite line up. So that's three different versions of the story that mostly align, but diverge in some interesting ways.

    Also, while I was originally skeptical, someone on Reddit posted actual pictures of the book that seem to confirm the original leak, or at least some key details about the ending. The discrepancies might just be a result of the original poster skimming through the book and missing some details, or maybe just misremembering things.
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  • posted a message on Ravnica Allegiance (RNA) and War of the Spark (WAR) General Discussion
    Ugh I missed the leak? I am so sad. Is it legal for me to ask someone to PM the information?

    I've seen it posted on other sites too. You can probably find it on Reddit, assuming the mods haven't gotten to it there too. Or you could try 4chan, the janitors don't give a damn there.
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  • posted a message on Ravnica Allegiance (RNA) and War of the Spark (WAR) General Discussion
    Thanks for answering all of these questions!

    I'm curious, do they ever explain how the Interplanar Beacon works? Is it just a lure, or does it forcibly drag planeswalkers to Ravnica? That part was never really clear. If it's just a call for help, why would selfish or cowardly planeswalkers like Ob Nixilis and Davriel respond to it? And if it's some kind of spell that forces planeswalkers to go to Ravnica, why are some still missing?

    Also, it was confirmed that there would be some planeswalkers who didn't have cards but still appeared in the story, are there any others? I'd love to see Daretti again.

    Oh, and what happens with the Raze Boar and the whole Gruul apocalypse myth?
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  • posted a message on Ravnica Allegiance (RNA) and War of the Spark (WAR) General Discussion
    So how does Bolas actually get defeated? Was the whole Blackblade prophecy a fake out? What exactly is the plan that Jace, Ral, and Vraska come up with? And what was going on with Niv Mizzet, how did he get killed and how did he come back?

    Also, do they ever explain Dovin's motives anywhere? Dovin has always been about preserving peace and law and order, it seems out of character for him to support a violent and destructive invasion.

    On the subject of the guild leaders, does Kaya play a major role? Do the non-planeswalker guild leaders like Rakdos do anything important? Who's left in charge of each guild at the end of the story?
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  • posted a message on Ravnica Allegiance (RNA) and War of the Spark (WAR) General Discussion
    So can anyone make sense of what's going on with the "official story scenes" on the MtG website?

    1-1: We're seeing the set-up for Bolas' plan. Tezzeret is waiting with the Eternal Army on Amonkhet, prepared to open the Planar Portal. Vraska is waiting by the Interplanar Beacon on Ravnica. Not sure about the Orzhov vampire, I guess she just has a sense that some major conflict is about to go down?

    1-2: The Planar Portal opens, destroying the Hall of the Guildpact. The Eternal Army comes marching into Ravnica, led by Liliana, and starts causing wanton destruction.

    1-3: Ajani and Jace come to the "rescue" by activating the Beacon, calling planeswalkers to help fend off Bolas' invasion. Then Bolas activates the Immortal Sun, trapping the planeswalkers there.

    2-1: We see all the random planeswalkers who got lured to Ravnica. (They might be pulled there against their will, I'm still not clear if the Beacon is just a beacon or if it forcibly transports planeswalkers to Ravnica. If it's the latter, it would explain the presence of people like Angrath and Davriel who probably wouldn't care about a call for help.) Angrath seems to be using his powers to take control of some Eternals. We also see Kaya, who was already on Ravnica, but I'm guessing this is the point where she turns on Bolas and starts fighting his forces.

    2-2: The elite commanders of the Eternal army arrive.

    2-3: Meanwhile, Sorin and Nahiri are pulled to Ravnica. (If the Beacon teleports planeswalkers to Ravnica against their will, that would explain how Sorin got out of the stone trap.) They resume their vendetta, ignoring the rest of the war to battle each other one-on-one.

    2-4, 2-5: The various inhabitants of Ravnica start mobilizing to fight back against the Eternals.

    2-6: The Boros angels mobilize against the Eternals in their giant flying fortress, with Feather leading the charge.

    2-7: Chandra, Jaya, Saheeli, and Karn go after Dovin for some reason. (The flavor text on some other cards implies he's zealously guarding New Prahv, which seems to be the location of the Immortal Sun, so maybe they're going to shut it down/destroy it.)

    2-8: Nissa animates the giant Selesnya home tree and has it topple Bolas' statue. (I'm guessing this is where the tide of the battle turns against the Eternals, only for Bolas to bring in the Eternalized gods and turn the tides again.)
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  • posted a message on Ravnica Allegiance (RNA) and War of the Spark (WAR) General Discussion
    Quote from OathboundOne »
    It turns out that it really doesn't matter what order they come in, because Chandra's only "Binding" him.

    How one "binds" a person with a wrap of fire without killing them (or at the very minimum severely, debilitatingly burning them) I don't know.

    From the MtG subreddit:
    Lavinia: Good Lord! What is happening in there?

    Jace: ...Dovin's being restrained.

    Lavinia: Restrained? By cuffs made of fire? Which somehow don't burn him? While completely surrounded by flames? As a result of a Red burn spell that exclusively deals damage?

    Jace: ...Yes.

    Lavinia: *long pause*

    Lavinia: May I see him?

    Jace: No.

    Dovin: Jace, I'm on fire!

    Jace: Hohoho no, Dovin, it's just unharmful detainment.
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  • posted a message on Ravnica Allegiance (RNA) and War of the Spark (WAR) General Discussion
    Quote from Flisch »
    Because I have literally nothing else to do for a couple hours, I decided to compile a list of all planeswalkers and my predictions whether they'll die or not. dot dot dot

    I agree with most of your list. It would be completely pointless to kill off characters like Ashiok, Tibalt, Ob Nixilis, Huatli, Angrath, Narset, and Arlinn who don't have any real connection to the overall plot or the main characters. I don't really see them killing off Saheeli either; while her death would have an impact on the Gatewatch, she's a very popular planeswalker who still has a lot of untapped story potential. I can see them killing off Kiora though, she's just relevant enough for her death to matter and the writers don't seem to know what to do with her anymore.

    I also don't see them killing off characters they just introduced like Teyo, Davriel, and Yanggu, it's a complete waste of potential. (Also, it's been confirmed that Teyo will appear in the sequel novel, and Brandon Sanderson said that we'd see Davriel again.) But I disagree with you about the Wanderer, it's clear the story team is building up the mystery of her identity and have plans for her down the line. If any of the new walkers are going to die, it's going to be Kasmina, she seems like the kind of generic hero character who was created specifically to be cannon fodder.

    As for the guildleaders, I could see any of them dying to redeem themselves by turning against Bolas. I don't think they'll all die, but I'd be surprised if none of them did. I see Kaya as the most likely to survive (she's got an interesting backstory and a unique power), and Dovin and Domri as the most likely to die (there's not much to them beyond "Lawful Stupid bureaucrat" and "Chaotic Stupid anarchist"). I think Vraska and Ral are somewhere in the middle, I'd prefer them to make it through, but I could also see either or both of them going out in a blaze of glory.

    In terms of the Gatewatch and their allies, it's obvious enough that Ajani, Jace, Chandra, Gideon, and Liliana will all survive. And I strongly doubt Karn will die, they need him for the upcoming New Phyrexia storyline. Jaya and Nissa's deaths seem all but guaranteed, though, for all the reasons you mentioned. I could see Teferi going either way, there's not much left to do with him as a character, but the writers might not want to use the "old mentor figure sacrifices themselves to save the younger heroes" plot device twice in one story, plus they might not want to thin the Gatewatch's ranks too much and there's still the Zhalfir plot thread left hanging.

    I'm almost certain that Bolas himself will die. I also don't see Vivien surviving, given that her entire purpose is taking him down. Similarly, I think Sarkhan's a goner, he's just too tied to the conflict between Bolas and Ugin. That said, I could see Samut dying for much the same reason; her story arc is entirely defined by what Bolas did to her homeworld, and while it would be incredibly bleak for her to die here, this is shaping up to be a fairly dark story overall. As for Ugin, I agree that it would be thematically appropriate for him to die alongside his twin, but I could also see the story team wanting to keep him around for future arcs.

    Also, Sorin definitely isn't dying here, and neither is Nahiri. Mark Rosewater said that War of the Spark won't be the conclusion to their story. Although I do hope Ugin puts them both in their place at some point.
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