i never said anything about policing decks.... it could be a deck like twin or it could be a group of decks... but overall linear decks won't come down in numbers until there are substantial more decks that can prey on them... twin led to more interaction in the format which sort of helped the matchups better against creature aggro... just matching up against twin in itself isn't going to do much...
and for the record... as i stated before... suicide zoo has been its current form for well over a year....
ok let's assume that there is a bump in the said linear decks, unless you actually want to ban them i'm not sure how is that related to the BL discussion
not banning but there needs to be decks that do a better job of policing them...
or do you actually mean that Twin would police them? because this has proven to be nonsense many times over, i'm fairly certain that we could ban whatever we want and it's bad MUs won't see any significant rise, remember that Jund has evolved into an agro-killing machine, CoCo is naturally favored vs aggro (which is absent for Modo due to ***** client not having a mechanic to handle infinite loops) and Jeskai is also a solid deck against most aggro
doesn't necessarily have to be twin but twin was the most popular deck that did have decent matchups against them.... you have the coco, jund and nahiri but in aggregate i don't think they are enough...
so maybe the reasons behind the said rise is that:
a) those decks are new and are being explored + pretty cheap to build
they've all been around forever.... when a deck gets popular it's due to results... all metrics record the winners anyway
b)their worst MU is a non-factor on modo?
it's not a mitigating factor.. coco has been on the decline for a few months... jeskai has put up mediocre results... but yes you are correct in that coco/kiki chord decks are skewed due to the issues they have on that platform...
btw even if you actually do believe in 'policing decks' CoCo is much more capable to punish aggro than Twin ever was, so it's absence should be a way bigger factor than Twin getting banned
coco and nahiri aren't capable to do as well a job even though it's presumably better against those decks... it's the same reason why jeskai/grixis control had amazing aggro matchups before but did a poor job policing those decks... because it wasn't popular because it had bad matchups everywhere else...
in other words, if you come across a deck or a group of decks more ... even though it's probably a better matchup you'll do worse overall...
i'm speculating but from personal observations i imagine there'll be a sizable bump in aggro/linear decks... and just know we saw this story before last year and there was only one reason why it wasn't that big of a deal...
let's just say that online is showing a much different story.... and i'm sure the larger tournies will catch up to what's going on right now...
and you really have to ask yourself where the format would actually be if nahiri wasn't printed.... and i don't think the shell is strong enough to handle all the aggro decks that are out there now...
is gitaxian probe the most popular blue card yet? if it isn't.. it probably will be soon... and that's when you know the format has officially jumped the shark... we're pretty close to that point as it is...
for all you guys who wanted twin gone.. you got the format you deserved....
i think welding jar right now is not too good since path is probably more popular than bolt.... and you def want 3 overseers.. you don't want to sacrifice the speed and explosiveness and overseer is very good against the non-jund/jeskai decks...
i would probably put 1 or both the spellskites in the side... go down to one blood moon or cut them altogether.. cut a thoughtseize and add a thoughtcast for the grindy matchups... i've been experimenting with siding in ensoul artifact for overseer in certain matchups and it's been going good but that's def not standard.... i also like stubborn denial over pierce...
steel overseer is really good against merfolk... it basically excels against any deck running less than 4 removal spells.... you need to hit your big cards and if you're taking out overseer without replacing it with something you're going to be very threat light... i would say ravager is arguably the weakest esp if they have harbinger but gutshot, vapor snag and hurkyl's blowout all the best ravager draws...
spellskite is pretty good as well as stubborn denial/thoughtseize although some may or may not board out cursecatcher....
The burden of proof should be on the person making the argument for change, especially in a meta as healthy and diverse as the current one. Why try to fix something that's not broken?
That's what I asked when they banned Twin after probably the most diverse year Modern has had in its history up to that point.
The meta game right now is much more diverse. Thus, it was a good ban.
i just want to say that since the twin ban... you also had the bloom ban which to me was the single biggest reason why the format is a lot slower.... then you also have the eye ban... and to a lesser extent the unbans...
i'm pretty sure the format would be about the same if twin wasn't banned except that twin would still be t1... and the coco/chord decks would be where jeskai control is right now...
i think everyone's been focusing on aggro ever since the unbannings.... and the reason coco and jeskai decks got popular was becuase of their great aggro matchups...
we're at a really great point in the meta.... i think all archetypes are represented fairly equally....
i usually don't like running too many counters .. let alone mb... being fast in the first game is most important especially when playing against ppl who don't know what you're on.... that alone will net you way more game 1 wins than a counter would...
i like hangarback walker and think it's ok as a one of... it's a really good card against jund where you need as many 2 for 1s as possible... against jeskai it's not so great due to path and anger but i think it's slightly better than steel overseer in that matchup...
how do folks handle the eldrazi DnT lists? i haven't actually run into it as of yet but i know that i will eventually.... i'm not sure if it's even favorable/unfavorable...
and for the record... as i stated before... suicide zoo has been its current form for well over a year....
not banning but there needs to be decks that do a better job of policing them...
doesn't necessarily have to be twin but twin was the most popular deck that did have decent matchups against them.... you have the coco, jund and nahiri but in aggregate i don't think they are enough...
they've all been around forever.... when a deck gets popular it's due to results... all metrics record the winners anyway
it's not a mitigating factor.. coco has been on the decline for a few months... jeskai has put up mediocre results... but yes you are correct in that coco/kiki chord decks are skewed due to the issues they have on that platform...
coco and nahiri aren't capable to do as well a job even though it's presumably better against those decks... it's the same reason why jeskai/grixis control had amazing aggro matchups before but did a poor job policing those decks... because it wasn't popular because it had bad matchups everywhere else...
in other words, if you come across a deck or a group of decks more ... even though it's probably a better matchup you'll do worse overall...
and you really have to ask yourself where the format would actually be if nahiri wasn't printed.... and i don't think the shell is strong enough to handle all the aggro decks that are out there now...
for all you guys who wanted twin gone.. you got the format you deserved....
you need the acceleration... it acts like a mana dork in the deck as well as give you extra attack power ...
i would probably put 1 or both the spellskites in the side... go down to one blood moon or cut them altogether.. cut a thoughtseize and add a thoughtcast for the grindy matchups... i've been experimenting with siding in ensoul artifact for overseer in certain matchups and it's been going good but that's def not standard.... i also like stubborn denial over pierce...
spellskite is pretty good as well as stubborn denial/thoughtseize although some may or may not board out cursecatcher....
i just want to say that since the twin ban... you also had the bloom ban which to me was the single biggest reason why the format is a lot slower.... then you also have the eye ban... and to a lesser extent the unbans...
i'm pretty sure the format would be about the same if twin wasn't banned except that twin would still be t1... and the coco/chord decks would be where jeskai control is right now...
we're at a really great point in the meta.... i think all archetypes are represented fairly equally....
i like hangarback walker and think it's ok as a one of... it's a really good card against jund where you need as many 2 for 1s as possible... against jeskai it's not so great due to path and anger but i think it's slightly better than steel overseer in that matchup...