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The Limited Archetypes of Core 2019
 
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  • posted a message on Core Set 2019 Spoiler Discussion Thread
    If this is what theyre gonna do with with Core sets, they might as well go back to not printing them. What a waste of time and cardboard.
    This is not what a Core set should be used for (yes i know we havent seen everything but I dont suspect we'll see the things I think we should)


    We got a couple of expensive reprints and a handful of cards that might see play.

    Core Sets have never been designed for Modern. What, pray-tell, SHOULD the purpose of a Core Set be by your standards?
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 16/04/2018)
    Quote from mapccu »
    Quote from Sabertooth »
    to me, the best shells for GSZ are gw company (and it will be like legacy's maverick, something that seems interesting in modern), elves (but i doubt that chord/company are worst to run than the zenith) and maybe amulet titan/scapeshift. The only thing that seems to keep zenith out of modern is the "all games plays the same" that wizards seems to hate


    I'd jam GSZ in elves all day long over chord, all day. Not sure about coco as spitting out two dudes is still relevant a lot of the time.

    The card is probably fine? I'm pretty sure jund shadow drops traverse though, so zenntih becomes shadow 5-8 for 2 mana and can find higher cmc threats as the game goes long (goyf, scooze, etc.) maybe not, I have no exp piloting the deck. Seems groovy on paper though.


    GSZ doesn't find Death's Shadow. GSZ only finds green creatures, so it's at best Goyf 5-8. (If it could grab any creature, we wouldn't even be having a conversation about it coming off the list.)

    The card provides a lot of raw consistency to color that doesn't necessarily need it right now. Not to mention that it shuffles right back into your deck. It's basically never a dead draw and there are ALWAYS 4 copies of it in your deck.

    I don't know that it's anything that's too powerful for Modern, but it does anything really all that good for the format.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Pre-poll thread (heading into July 2, 2018 Magic B&R Announcement)
    Are there really people advocating for a Faithless Looting ban? That seems downright nuts to me!

    I think Burning Inquiry should be on this poll. Although I don’t think it’s worthy of a ban, it does seem to be a controversial card that randomly reshapes opponent’s hands to create non-games.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 16/04/2018)
    Quote from Coldsturm »
    While many of us seem to agree that SFM is likely to be unbanned at some point in time, is there a change for Treasure Cruise or DTT to come off the list? How about Ponder or Preordain?


    Cruise is dead. Cruise is banned in basically every format it has touched. Even Pauper, which allows Gush, cannot handle Cruise. DTT maybe has a slightly better chance, but I wouldn't get your hopes up.

    Ponder is dead. Ponder is a slightly different case than Cruise. It is indeed VERY powerful, but it will never come off of the list purely because if any cantrip comes off, it will be Preordain. It's a minor upgrade to Serum Visions/Sleight of Hand in some decks, and a sidegrade in others. WotC doesn't want to hit a critical mass of cantrip cards though, so if we get either of them back into the format, it will be Preordain.

    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Sultai Midrange
    Quote from SmauG »
    Maybe the answer is obvious, but why would one run Disdainful Stroke over Ceremonious Rejection?
    Does it boil down to Affinity vs. non-tron big mana?


    Disdainful stroke has some applications against scaepshift (scapeshift, titan), jeskai (cryptic command, teferi and jace), and there are few other things it hits.

    I don't regularly play sultai, but I would imagine that it's a meta call.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 16/04/2018)
    Does Punishing Fire really add anything to the format that we need? We already have a large array of removal and CA based strategies that prey on creature based aggro, and it seems unnecessary.

    All it really seems to do is add another way for Tron to deal with aggro strategies, which is an archtype that is supposed to struggle with fast aggro.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Collected Company Elves
    Elvish Harbinger is not good. It’s an overcosted body, that acts as an additional Llanowar Elves and it doesn’t draw you a card. We already have better consistency tools that allow us to dig through the deck AND get ahead on cards on the board or in the hand (Collected Company and Lead the Stampede). We also have access to a card that can grab the exact Elf we need and put it directly into play (Chord of Calling).

    Harbinger just does a “meh” job at all of those things, so why not just select one of the cards that do most of those things, but better?
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 16/04/2018)
    Quote from pierrebai »
    It seems to me that the argument against direct-to-modern is that standard provides a proving ground. Unfortunately that seems false. Wizards have printed cards that were:

    So standard does not protect modern much. I don't see why it's fine to bring to modern a mistake from standard but risking to print a busted card direct to modern is bad.


    Treasure Cruise was never banned in standard.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 16/04/2018)
    Quote from Pistallion »
    Bannning a card like Mox Opal would be an obvious mistake.

    Lets just say Affinity becomes broken. Lets look at what happened: new card comes into a format and breaks a deck that is a pillar of the format, has had Mox Opal in the deck since the beginning of Modern, yet they ban Opal instead of the new card? It will also kill many decks from tier 1 all the way to tier 100. Doesnt make any sense.

    When 'x' is broken, you fix 'x', not 'y'.


    Golgari-Grave Troll spent a fair deal in the format being fine. By that logic we should have banned Prized Amalgam and Cathartic Reunion instead, because they were the “new” cards.

    The fact is Mox Opal is fast mana, which always has the spotlight focused on it. It enables a lot of degenerate combos, so I can see a scenario where it gets banned in Modern. I don’t think anything right now suggests that it’s in need of a banning though. Affinity just got a new toy. People haven’t figured out how to deal with it yet. Either people learn how to adapt to the new tech, or we’re unable to… that’s when it becomes a problem.

    The fact is, power and “brokenness” of specific cards are relative. New cards enter the pool that make older cards broken. Does that mean we always ban the new card, because the card was fine for a long time in the format? Should we have banned Thought-Knot Seer and Reality Smasher instead of Eye of Ugin, a card that was fine in the format for a very long time?

    Again, I don't think Mox Opal is in need of any regulation, but I wouldn't assume that it's not an offending card just because it's been in the format for ages without causing any real problems.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 16/04/2018)
    Quote from Click5 »
    I know that you know Meddling Mage can name Path, Bolt...

    And you're still at level 1. Getting rid of "Puke Combo" is bad for the meta game at large, independent of Humans, because that has an effect on other decks viability. Adding Combo back to the meta makes decks that aren't Combo better as well.


    But it can only name one at a time. That just means that decks need to diversify their removals, instead of just running 4 Pushes and 2 Bolts and then call it good.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 16/04/2018)
    Interactive vs non-interactive, in terms of casual conversation about Modern, is like the game Road Rash (any of you remember that old Sega Genesis game?).

    A non-interactive deck is like a racer who focuses on getting the fastest bike with the best parts and has a game-plan of just cruising past the competition without getting into any scuffles.

    An interactive deck is like the racer who brings a crowbar to the race to beat the tar out of other racers.

    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 10/02/18)
    Quote from shadowsaotome »
    Anyone else get a look at Thran Temporal Gate in the Dominaria spoilers? Seems like something that could be busted in Modern, hell of a lot of legendary stuff to cheat out. Not sure if it's actually going to see play, but the Johnny in me really wants to try it out.


    Probably won’t see play.

    There are already better ways to cheat game-winning permanents into play that don’t require an 8 mana investment. Maybe you can use this to flash in a walker… by why not just Through the Breach Emrakul into play and basically just win on the spot instead? Or just play Tron and hard cast Karns and Ugins for 8 mana?
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 10/02/18)
    Is the 1 of Tezzeret the only win-con? It just seems like a pile of lock-pieces and methods of searching them out/protecting them. Is the point to just let your opponent naturally deck out?
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on Collected Company Elves
    Quote from Kizzel »
    Sylvan Recruiter - 1(G)
    Elf Warrior
    Reveal cards from the top of your library until you reveal a creature spell. You may put that creature onto the battlefield, put the rest into the graveyard.
    2/2

    Too good? Lol.
    Thinking of a new elf that could take us up a tier.


    FAR too good.

    If you intended this is an ETB trigger, it basically just reads 1(G) - Put Emrakul into play.

    If you intended it as a cast trigger, it's still far too busted and will just end up being used as a combo enabler instead of being used as an elves value card.
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 10/02/18)
    Quote from BlueTronFTW »
    Are you all that unhappy with the current modern format?


    The format is pretty good right now, but that doesn't mean that it's without problems to discuss. I'm pretty sure Umezawa's Jitte isn't the answer to any of those problems though.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
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