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Turn 1: Drop a mana dork and pray the dork survives
Turn 2: Dies to removal or is countered
Turn 3: If it survives it may have to chump block something big again dies to removal.
Turn 4: Go ahead and attack into an opponents creature probably bigger than a measly 2/2 if they are on creatures, tap out for 5 mana for a 5/5 flyer as you lose your 2/2 and pray a Ratchet Bomb or Blast Zone isn't on the battlefield.
I'm sorry this card is slow and bad in Constructed. It is WAY to conditional. You can try to convince me otherwise but unless there is something that boosts this card up it is a dragon only tiny niche constructed card. I don't draft so this will be the garbage constructed card I pull in droves if I buy boosters.
so..... you're playing a constructed deck against someone that's able to kill everything on earth without any tempo loss OR have a large enough threat by turn 3 you'd chumpblock with your 2/2 first striker?
damn... you must be playing a really broken format.
Yep I play Pioneer and the format will rip that card to shreds. (And so will Modern)
lol, the old "Dies to removal" argument.
my friend, this is a 2drop.
every 2 drop will die to removal.
the baseline is a 2/2 first striker for 2, which is not great but also not terrible.
if someone burns it, it's a 1 for 1, and you're fine... specially because more often than not, your opponent spent at least the same 2 mana as you to kill it.
if he sticks around long enough, he'll start making dragons.
the card isn't breaking any formats, but is certainly playable..... and I think might be playable in Pioneer depending on the synergies.
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I mean Yosei, the Morning Star is currently how I'm using Blade of selves+Anointed Procession to be an actual monster. this is just part 2 of that so I'm thrilled.
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Yeah this is the attitude that allowed me to pick up 25 Tarmogoyfs at the Futuresite prerelease for $5 a pop. Under/over estimating a card before we actually get some testing time with it is rarely productive.
As for what I think. It's not screaming overly good at me, that being said I can certainly see the correct conditions in which this could generate a lot of value. It's very clearly meant more for standard than say Modern or Pioneer, not enough immediate impact on the board though we have also not seen what other boast cards there are in the set. There could be a few that are cheaper and dropping this after an attack in which your opponent evaluated you would not be able to trigger the boast only to have this sure up the difference in the cost could very well be back breaking. I think if we get something along the lines of Mirror entity or Shields of Velis Vel could really skew how we're evaluating this, and this would be the set to do that.
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So actually I have deck already kinda built for this card, and it's primarily a goading deck.
That being said the big one that's work wonders with this card is Lightmine Field. Jared ignores it when you're the monarch and actively disincentives your opponents from swinging out with their whole team. Also for all the people complaining he doesn't have any abilities like trample... I mean you're in Nya... Rancor or any of the other myriad ways of give him some keyword ability exist. He's not overly broken but ask yourself, does he need to be? I actually like the availability of lower power commanders, it allows for more toned downed games.
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I'm 100% with you on this. My first take was that "Hey these look fun" but the more I thought about it the more this conclusion seemed to be obvious. Vanity cards are one thing but selling unique cards at a premium price for a limited time is just gross. The EDH/Commander community needs to voice their disapproval of this tactic to WotC now or it's just going to get worse, I'm already kind of sick of the secret lairs and if this is the direction they want to take it, we should all be standing against it on principle alone.
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THIS! This is the exact reason I stopped playing standard nearly 5 years ago and why I have not touched it since. It really does feel like there are just threats and no answers, you just to out threat their threats with more threatening threats. I love EDH for the specific reason I get to have answers in my deck that don't force me to jump through hoops or expend all my resources to fix a problem. Swords to Plowshares, Path to Exile, Wrath of God, Damnation, Counterspell and even some weird niche things like Cannibalize, these are all incredibly healthy cards to include in a format as it forces smart play. I remember having to play along side cards like counterspell in standard and it didn't make me frustrated it made me a better player. It made me learn how to bait the removal and counters, throwing some cards to the wolves to force misplays, and it always felt so rewarding when I got to resolve the real threat after. Adding cards like that to standard is really something the need to be willing to try again.
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Right, I think this is exactly what it means in this context. It's not that this is considered 5 colors with out being five colors, I think it means it's providing one devotion to every source that is checking for devotion to a color. So a black devotion card will see one devotion to black with this and a card that is checking for both say white and red will only check this once, not twice, providing again, one devotion.
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Glad i'm not the only one who thought of this, this is actually kinda nuts.
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Yeah the bit that clinches this as potentially busted is the fact that things don't exile going into the graveyard, I had to do a double take on the card when you mentioned it. I can see this doing something nuts in legacy/vintage/EDH though it's potential outside of those formats is probably limited. I say probably because there are always small interactions that can break cards like this in half but as of yet are just unseen (obviously legacy/vintage/EDH it's fairly apparent what those things are but Standard/pioneer/modern less so at the moment.)