Finn of all the cards you suggested I'd have to say harm's way is your best bet. Its great vs sweepers like firespout and volcanic fallout and more often than not it 2 for ones. Ive had some amazing plays with that card vs zoo. Also I think you need to try 3- epochrasites main. When I had them i beat the zoo at the weekly tournament every time. When I took them out well... ive lost the last 2 times. Its also great vs the decks with the hymm to tourach theme as they make you sac not remove and once it comes back there in a world of trouble. Hes also very fast when you play him of vail and you never have to fear of overcommiting when playing him. I have also brought in runed halo's when playing vs zoo and that card has done wonders for me!
I have also noticed that with stoneforge the deck is a bit slower and the m/u vs dreadstill and similar decks has weaken... I know that deck has died down but I also assume landstill and the newer planeswalker control decks are also worse. Is this a concern that should be addressed?
What do you guys think of the goyf and taxes deck? the gaddock teg stops ad naus, force of will and natural order, and they also have the all powerful qasali? i'm just curious as to why is the mono white build is better?
What about children of korlis! the only time i see that is bad is vs belcher which isnt to popular anyway. This card can come in against burn, dredge, and maybe even zoo and ant. what do you guys think?
I have played against the deck quite a few times and i ALWAYS feel like that one white for silence is always slowing me down and if they have the duress and you don't have 2 your going to lose the succeeding turn more than likely anyway. But they wont always have that opening duress so I feel like playing the trap helps you tempo immensely and doesn't allow them the time to wait
I have been wondering recently what is the advantage of having silence/orim's chant over Mindbreak Trap. And i don't want to hear "Orim's chant can save you a turn by making the empty the warrens tokens not attack" I want to know what other such match ups that silence would come in when mindbreak trap wouldn't Because right now the trap just seems better to me...
0-0 Affinity
Ok so my friend and i both went to this tournament and he borrowed my affinity deck and needless to say that's who i was paired up against in the first round.
Game one was very close but i maintained control the whole game played 3 and got karakas mangara online and as you may know affinity cant do a whole lot about that. game two in comes 2 samurai of the pale curtain for 2 jotun grunts. this game i play wasteland turn 1 vail 2 wasteland 3 and an epochrasite and a serra avenger off of a vail stabilize at 12 life and win easily. 2-0
1-0 Mono red burn
I get paired up against a pretty janky mono red burn. Game 1 he draws 6 lands only ever deals 8 damage to me and at one point is forced to fork his fireblast to kill 2 guys. 4/4 epochrasite gets there cause it came back do to him burning it when it was a 1/1 because he was wielding a jitte. game 2 he brings in like 12 cards mostly artifact hate. I play turn 1 vail turn 2 cannonist and turn three i vial in a 4/4 epochrasite. gain life with finks, he had no chance. 2-0
2-0 ADS
I play against ads and as you can see game one i have no chance... Killed me on turn 2 while on the play. Game two i bring in 4 silence and 4 cannonist. but only took cards out and not bring cards in. DOH. mulled to 4... but had a silense he kept a no lander i played a jitte on turn two but shouldnt have cause he killed me after and a timily silience combo'd with my jotun grunt would have won. we played a game 3 for fun and i won. (drew three silience and a cannonist)0-2
2-1 library ZOO
im up against zoo with lavamancer. Game one lasted forever juton grunt nulled his mance and 3 swords were nice =) o-ring for jitte and 2 epochs stalled out but he almost got the he had a sullvian library i was at 5 and a mancer to active he only needed 1 burn. game 2 i bring in 3 finks and 2 burrentin. I had an amazing hand vialed in burenton anf played jitte on turn 2 but he had the path. Next turn played an epochrasite and never looked back only took 2 damage =). 2-0
3-1 and it was apparently good enough to win a 12 man tournament, oh and my friend also finished 3-1 and got 3rd place! what a night
Or that spread em deck. I cant imagine jund ever! beating that deck! and for those who dont like that idea either just wait till more cards are printed and the power level goes up for other decks
how have you guys been dealing with jund. As i feel it is the deck to beat and our m/u against them is in their favor. What can we do to make this m/u more favorable?
test my list you will see. I just won a game with that deck after being thought haemorrhaged 3 times all of which he hit at least 1 card in my hand and i got haunting echoed and still won. I never got to activate crypt for more than "tap for black" and i remained resiliant despite him rfg'ing 3/4's of my deck. And i was never hurting for mana, the cycling and sign in blood find you your lands.
You also never use your fetch lands untill you run out of swamps, because of ob nixilis and well I only play 19 lands in a control deck
also finn what is ur current list?!
This is my current sideboard:
4x Silence
3x ethersworn cannonist
2x burrengton forge tender
3x samurai of the pale curtain
3x runed halo
is that card possibly Children of Korlis
9 Plains
1 Flagstones of trokair
1 Eiganjo Castle
3 Mishra's Factory
4 Wasteland
4 Karakas
Creatures (24)
3 Mangara of Corondor
3 Flickerwisp
4 Serra Avenger
4 Figure of Destiny
3 Isamaru hound of konda
3 Jotun Grunt
4 Epochrasite
4 Aether vial
4 Swords to Plowshares
3 Oblivion Ring
3 Umezawas Jitte
2 Samurai of the Pale Curtain
4 Silence
2 Burrenton Forge Tender
3 Kitchen Finks
4 Ethersworn Cannonist
0-0 Affinity
Ok so my friend and i both went to this tournament and he borrowed my affinity deck and needless to say that's who i was paired up against in the first round.
Game one was very close but i maintained control the whole game played 3 and got karakas mangara online and as you may know affinity cant do a whole lot about that. game two in comes 2 samurai of the pale curtain for 2 jotun grunts. this game i play wasteland turn 1 vail 2 wasteland 3 and an epochrasite and a serra avenger off of a vail stabilize at 12 life and win easily. 2-0
1-0 Mono red burn
I get paired up against a pretty janky mono red burn. Game 1 he draws 6 lands only ever deals 8 damage to me and at one point is forced to fork his fireblast to kill 2 guys. 4/4 epochrasite gets there cause it came back do to him burning it when it was a 1/1 because he was wielding a jitte. game 2 he brings in like 12 cards mostly artifact hate. I play turn 1 vail turn 2 cannonist and turn three i vial in a 4/4 epochrasite. gain life with finks, he had no chance. 2-0
2-0 ADS
I play against ads and as you can see game one i have no chance... Killed me on turn 2 while on the play. Game two i bring in 4 silence and 4 cannonist. but only took cards out and not bring cards in. DOH. mulled to 4... but had a silense he kept a no lander i played a jitte on turn two but shouldnt have cause he killed me after and a timily silience combo'd with my jotun grunt would have won. we played a game 3 for fun and i won. (drew three silience and a cannonist)0-2
2-1 library ZOO
im up against zoo with lavamancer. Game one lasted forever juton grunt nulled his mance and 3 swords were nice =) o-ring for jitte and 2 epochs stalled out but he almost got the he had a sullvian library i was at 5 and a mancer to active he only needed 1 burn. game 2 i bring in 3 finks and 2 burrentin. I had an amazing hand vialed in burenton anf played jitte on turn 2 but he had the path. Next turn played an epochrasite and never looked back only took 2 damage =). 2-0
3-1 and it was apparently good enough to win a 12 man tournament, oh and my friend also finished 3-1 and got 3rd place! what a night
You also never use your fetch lands untill you run out of swamps, because of ob nixilis and well I only play 19 lands in a control deck