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  • posted a message on Meren of Clan Nel Toth: On Revenge and Reanimation
    He means little use of "each opponent/player sacrifices a creatures/permanent" type of effect. So far as I see, there are only two: Merciless Executioner and Dictate of Erebos. Some Meren players use several of these effects in the decklist.
    Posted in: Multiplayer Commander Decklists
  • posted a message on That one deck you just never seem to build
    I don't know if I'll ever follow through on the Ezuri infect+buffs idea. It just seems like it would be so easy to make a brutal deck that I wouldn't want to play it very long in my metas. So then I think about self-imposed limits on the deck: only 1-2 creature-based sources of proliferate, very few if any ways to make my creatures unblockable, no tutors, no surprise mass damage that kills everybody, etc.

    So then I think to myself that those are a lot of restrictions and maybe I just shouldn't build it at all if I think I would need to nerf it that much.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on [[Primer]] Kozilek, Butcher with Juice.
    I think the first and foremost question would be: Of the cards in the main decklist already, which ones do you already own? Especially pricey ones like the Eldrazi legends and colorless planeswalkers.
    Posted in: Multiplayer Commander Decklists
  • posted a message on [[Primer]] Kozilek, Butcher with Juice.
    Quote from man1acc »
    Hey guys!
    I can have 50$ for a new Commander Deck and am thinking of trying somethin crazy ELdrazi...is there any chance 50 bucks will get the deck started so that it can atleast be played against Swell the Host (Commander, 2015, Ezuri) whch has 20$ of Upgrades?
    You're going to miss out on pretty much all the legendary Eldrazi except maybe Kozilek, the Great Distortion on that slim a budget. And it's probably not going to be an artifact-shenanigans deck considering what I had to cut to get anywhere near $50 (and that was 32 cards I cut). It sounds like an interesting challenge, because $20 goes pretty far with Ezuri. You'll have to rely on Wastes more and Walker of the Wastes would replace one of the other beatdown creatures. Also not having some of the better mana rocks on the budget (like Thran Dynamo) means a much later Kozilek.

    While it might be possible, if I were to try to make a $50 budget deck to go up against an improved Ezuri, Claw of Progress deck, colorless is probably not where I would start. However, if you succeed, we want to see the list! Smile
    Posted in: Multiplayer Commander Decklists
  • posted a message on Zada, Hedron Grinder token swarm
    So there's also this Zada thread that's been going on for some time that includes an Arcane package of stuff like Desperate Ritual, Overblaze, and Path of Anger's Flame (and a few more as "hosts" for splicing; e.g. to give PoAF "target creature" clause). Might be worth perusing.
    Posted in: Multiplayer Commander Decklists
  • posted a message on Magic Story Articles Discussion: SOI & EMN [No Spoilers]
    (I know color debate is off topic to the thread, so I'll be brief)

    Good and evil are constructs irrelevant to black. Strength and weakness, on the other hand, is a dichotomy black cares about.

    Honesty is not always pragmatic or the best play. It disregards causality for blind idealism. Diplomacy is a stretch, but is more flexible.

    Heroes tend to have this will-sacrifice-themselves-for-someone-else aspect. That's mostly green and white's domain, but apparently blue and red will dip into it. But it's pretty out of character for mono-black.

    What I think is closer to what mono-black is capable of is "strong diplomatic mono-black protagonist". Muahahahahaha.

    (Okay, I'm done.)
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on I came to destroy my boyfriend.
    It might be a bit too technical of a deck idea for you, but look into pox type decks. You could do a budget version for pretty cheap. Rips things out of his hand, destroys his resources, and starves him out of the game, all while you benefit.

    If you want to go into other colors, I'm just gonna throw this card out there ALUREN. Again maybe a bit technical, but you can do crazy things with it. It's pretty available, and cheap. I could see some cool black/green shenanigans with that.
    I don't get the impression that anything will be "too technical" for LittlePill. Does it take time to learn timing and strategy with a pox deck if you're new to the archetype? Sure, but it already sounds like she enjoys mono-black and discard.
    Posted in: Introduce Yourself
  • posted a message on Magic Story Articles Discussion: SOI & EMN [No Spoilers]
    good honest monoblack hero
    "One of these things is not like the others,
    three of these things are kindof the same..."

    Yes, I believe that is too much to ask, as it would be out-of-character for someone mono-black.
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on Zada, Hedron Grinder token swarm
    I'd like to note Expedite and Heat Shimmer.

    I'd also like to note that your spell-copying effects like Reiterate won't trigger Zada multiple times. Just in case.
    Posted in: Multiplayer Commander Decklists
  • posted a message on Extort on countered spells
    Yes, you can, because Extort triggers when you cast a spell. Whether it resolved or not is irrelevant.

    702.100. Extort
    • 702.100a Extort is a triggered ability. “Extort” means “Whenever you cast a spell, you may pay {W/B}. If you do, each opponent loses 1 life and you gain life equal to the total life lost this way.”
    • 702.100b If a permanent has multiple instances of extort, each triggers separately.
    Posted in: Magic Rulings
  • posted a message on Compulsive Deckbuilders Anonymous
    Has anyone had experience with this style of organization? Do others struggle with the co-occurring condition of compulsively building decks AND wanting to play 3-4 different decks in a night?
    In reply to that, I'd like to point out Weebo's perspective on the results:
    Quote from Weebo »
    As a big fan of the box, it actually didn't end up being quite what I expected. My thought was that I would have decklists and put together whichever decks I wanted to play in a night. Basically, the MTGO system with a little more effort on my end. What it's ended up being is basically constant deckbuilding. I typically have four decks (three rotating and Jaya) at any given time. The three rotating lists I typically have for a month or two, though it would probably change more often if I was playing more than I do. I put together a list, play and tune it until I want to play a different list, and then pull it apart. If I was a really big fan I'll write it down somewhere, but I mostly don't. When I want to revisit a general or a deck, all of the cards that I've previously used are still there, so I just build a fresh version. It ends up being similar to rebuilding an old deck because I typically know what cards I want to play and what strategies I like, but it also helps accelerate trying out new options because I'm rarely trying to find single cuts before the very end of the process. My lists are almost certainly less tuned doing this, but it's helped keep things fresh. I would still definitely recommend it to anyone who likes deckbuilding.

    If you want your set decklists, though, you could analyze your lists to see what subsets of the cards are unique to each deck and set those aside in their own divider for that deck. Same with any large group of cards shared by two decks.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on Zada - Grinding Up An Arcane Storm
    Quote from Myrmadillo »
    Re: Budget
    It's not my intent that you limit every card to 50 cents or less--that's just what I do personally. Market values fluctuate, so it's hard to pin cards down to that price and not have to edit your list every other week. I'm simply saying that I'd greatly appreciate a budget discussion. Since this is already a budget deck in a lot of ways, using a tighter budget to help players just getting started obtain a reasonable deck for cheap (e.g., perhaps $50 or less not including basic land) is helpful. As you mentioned, giving alternatives to expensive cards is a great way to go. (Is Recoup even worth it on a budget?) Explaining which expensive cards are highly desirable vs. which ones are just nice, but not necessary, is also helpful. I'm sure I'll be happy with whatever the person contributing the budget section decides to do. I just wanted to state my support for a budget section as I think I would find it very helpful.
    I'm pretty sure we will frame card options that way, considering past discussion. Budget options are usually brought up (sometimes in the primer content, sometimes not) but I prefer to address anything that keeps coming up in the primer content eventually. Regarding Recoup, it's something that was a decent option before Mizzix's Mastery was printed.

    Quote from Myrmadillo »
    Re: Combo
    Previous posters mentioned "mid-range" decks vs. "storm" decks. I guess I interpreted "storm" as all out combo and "mid-range" as being less so. I was curious about the "mid-range" builds (also, I suspected they would be easier on a budget). Perhaps my assumptions are way off on this though.
    I think the mid-range decks also storm, but try to have a resilient presence a little farther into the game rather than trying to min-max how early they can go off. It can be a bit of a stretch of the term mid-range perhaps. I could be wrong, so I'll defer to someone who pilots such a build.

    As far as the terminology, it's hard to get away from combo entirely because of Zada herself. Even pointing a cantrip at her is a ridiculous amount of synergy that it's pretty much a combo. Pretty much anything we point at her is a combo. And normally we don't have any infinite combos in here. There's two I know that I've considered, but I'd rather focus on other aspects.
    Posted in: Multiplayer Commander Decklists
  • posted a message on Zada - Grinding Up An Arcane Storm
    Quote from Myrmadillo »
    I missed the poll, but I'm excited about the prospect of a Zada primer. I have a mostly built budget Zada deck, but I haven't played it yet. Things I'd like to see included in the primer:

    1) Options for the deck without the arcane package.
    2) Mention of less combo-oriented approaches for those metas where combo is frowned upon.
    3) A budget discussion similar to the one described by DementedKirby (quoted below). In EDH, I only play cards I acquired for 50 cents or less, so the lower the budget set, the better from my perspective.

    Quote from DementedKirby »
    I'd also like to approach the Budget Build from the standpoint of someone who has literally none of the cards and how they could possible build the deck all the way from people/friends/LGS donating commons and basic mountains (this is not an unusual practice).
    How do you define "combo", then?



    Edit:
    I have no problem mentioning non-Arcane stuff, because it basically comes down to running other choices from the card options for cantrips, tokens, rituals, etc.

    That slim of a budget sounds pretty corner-case, though. I'd rather present card options and identify some as budget and let readers decide. For recasting spells, if you're not running Mizzix's Mastery and Past in Flames, you're stuck with Recoup, and Shreds of Sanity. Possibility Storm sortof of gets you some multi-casting.

    Actually, both of those come down to the card options section.

    On the other hand, if you have advice for acquiring cards on the cheap that are otherwise not cheap, that might fit somewhere. For example, Krenko is about 5 dollars. How would you acquire that for 50 cents or less?
    Posted in: Multiplayer Commander Decklists
  • posted a message on Playing to lose - anybody else do this?
    There were times I won a lot, and then games would turn into archenemy because of it. It was more unspoken than spoken, but "Kill Joel first because his decks do crazy stuff" was the pattern.

    So I toned things down. I took out infinite combos in all but my 1 or 2 strongest decks. I also sometimes choose actions that are good and/or fun rather than what is best. I'd rather grind it out with an opponent and milk the struggle so that if they gain the upper hand they really did do it themselves. Sometimes a friend can feel like they never had a chance if you crush the game in 1 turn, even if it's turn 10.

    I also helped my friends strengthen their decks with advice and cards to try to even power levels out. Sometimes repeated losses just come down to how they play (skill level, overlooking stuff, misplays, etc.). Most of the people I play with are receptive to improving their tactics and awareness, so I do that as well. I want strong opponents so they challenge my own skill.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on Imprisoned in the Moon
    Ruling question.

    Let's say i'm running Imprisoned in the Moon in Brago, King Eternal and put this thing on Avacyn, Angel of Hope, next turn cast Vedalken Plotter and swap the enchanted stud with a Plains of mine. I will keep Avacyn, Angel of Hope when i flicker Imprisoned in the Moon onto something new, right?
    Yup. It's a Rube Goldberg theft machine, but it works as you think.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
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