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Life's Legacy: Delving into Delver
  • posted a message on Ixalan General Discussion
    Man, we coulda had Emperor Breeches.
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  • posted a message on Ixalan General Discussion
    Quote from Etherium Sage »
    Angrath - *sets up a No Go zone for this plane* I don't care it is new, I don't care if it might be interesting..NOTHING ever happens to this plane, Angrath got a happy ending, with his kids okay..NOBODY TOUCH IT so it doesn't break.


    Kaladesh managed to walk away without the plane being thrown into apocalyptic chaos, and nobody died tragically (Yahenni died, but on their terms). So I'm sure they can visit Angrath's plane without throwing it into the deep end.

    As for Apatzec, I'm more interested in the plot hooks he's set up for a possible return than the character himself. Also we're still technically in Rivals of Ixalan, so I think it's appropriate to end it with the conclusion to the plane's own story.


    Heck, we're leaving Ixalan in pretty good shape too.

    Anyways, loved the story. Excellent tying up of loose ends, with Huatli findinga friend, Angrath coming home (sniffle), Vraska getting her reward, and Jace winning physics forever. And boo, Sun Empire. Boo. I can't believe I rooted for you jackholes.
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  • posted a message on Ixalan General Discussion
    Maybe Bolas has figured he can't get himself returned to the old powers that he had before the MEnding.

    But power is relative. Against an ant, I'm like a god. Against a dragon, I'm food.

    So maybe Bolas just wants to make sure he's the only non-ant in the Multiverse.

    He left the Gatewatch alive because, let's face it, the Gatewatch are a bunch of dumb kids who aren't a threat to him. In fact, their so dumb, their meddling might just play into his hands (even now, JACE was the one who figured out how to get Vraska to the Immortal Sun) Notice the only one he actively tried to avoid fighting- Lilliana, another oldwalker, and one who barely qualifies. The other four he took on all at once, and curbstomped them without even spending much effort.

    Bolas doesn't need every other Planeswalker dead. He just needs the ones who are a threat. The Ugins, the Azors (maybe?), the Karns. I'm sure a few others we haven't entirely met yet. And I think that's where his problems are going to lie. One ant can't hurt you. Enough of them will devour you.
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  • posted a message on Ixalan General Discussion
    Quote from SimicNuggets »
    I wonder why Jace would even think Niv could stand a chance against Bolas. Did he not just come from a plane where gods were subjugated (with ease) by him? Not to mention a team of planeswalkers being handily brushed aside... Unless he thinks they'd agree to a wrestling match, I'm unconvinced about that notion. This whole plan actually. But I'm sure creative will force it to make sense.

    Isperia x Bolas wrestling match....


    He's not going for a Niv vs. Bolas fist fight. He thinks Niv might actually be able to outsmart the guy.

    In fact, this ties in a bit with Ral's plan to sabotage Project Lightning Bug. What if it wasn't out of a fear that Niv-Mizzet would capture and perform expirements on Planeswalkers... but to prevent the knowledge to keep him from learning about Bolas and formulating a plan?
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  • posted a message on Ixalan General Discussion
    Also, since presumably the floor falling out from under everyone on the Immortal Sun is from Tezzeret bringing it into the portal (would it really be that difficult for them to line up the timing properly?) wouldn't it make sense for them all to fall into the portal as well? I feel like they'll most likely have the portal disappear just in time and let all the characters hit the ground and survive, but it would be a great plot twist if they all ended up in the blind eternities instead. Huatli and Angrath would survive, of course, since they're planeswalkers; Tishana and Vona would be vaporized (though it would be kind of cool for Tishana's last words to be a resolution of her cryptic nature metaphors about planeswalking, right before she's vaporized); while the rest of the characters were all either above or to the side of the Immortal Sun so they wouldn't fall in. Again, I don't think this is the direction they'll go, especially since we're yet to see Huatli summon Zacama, but it would be an abrupt plot twist that would result in a couple unexpected deaths. But the portal will probably conveniently close just in time to keep them alive, what a surprise.


    Are we sure organic mateiral can go through the portal/ The story explicitly mentioned that by coating the eternals in lazotep, they went from being organic to inorganic, and thus usable with the portal.
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  • posted a message on Ixalan General Discussion
    Quote from Ryperior74 »


    Besides liliana could be the other gatewatch memebrrs


    Considering Lilliana's options in Hour of Devastation after she agreed to work with Bolas were A) Leave B) Be forced to kill a very very very angry Chandra, I'm not sure Lili's gonna be meeting up with the Gatewatch anytime soon.
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  • posted a message on Ixalan General Discussion
    Quote from Guizee666 »
    I'm not quite sure if Bolas plans to use the Immortal Sun solely for planeswalkers or he's going to use it to amplify his powers when he tries to conquer Ravnica. Very interesting story direction. But I'm also wondering what Jace is going to do in...Dominaria? I mean, I don't remember Jace visiting Dominaria before so who are those 'friends' he mentioned briefly? And Ugin...oh dear Ugin why would you align with a stupid sphinx...!!??!!


    Because the sphinx was dumb enough to throw his spark into a big, pretty gold rock without really thinking about it?
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  • posted a message on Ixalan General Discussion
    I think the main reason Jace won't go to Ugin is because when Ugin basically said "I hope I never see you morons again," it was probably in a way that left litle ambiguity as to how displeased Ugin would be with another Jace interaction.

    Also, I think Jace knows Niv-Mizzet better, and feels he can trust him a bit more because Niv-Mizzet is of the plane. And considering he's the one who kicked off the whole Implicit Maze thing in the first place, is clearly invested in not letting Ravnica be destroyed. Ugin's methods are a little less... plane specific.
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  • posted a message on Ixalan General Discussion
    Also, one more theory.

    What if Bolas doesn't really want the Immortal Sun somewhere specific, but rather OFF of Ixalan. It could be he just wants to kill Azor, but knew he couldn't get to him as long as the Sun would prevent him from leaving? I mean, having a massive artifact that turns any plane you want into a prison is a nice bonus, but this could just be a nice little game of kill the kitty. In which case, Jace and Vraska just giftwrapped that for him.
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  • posted a message on Ixalan General Discussion
    Quote from Etherium Sage »
    Quote from Pollaski »
    4. Ultimately, it looks like we're heading for Invasion 2.0, this time on Ravnica. It took them three years to set the stage for the Invasion Cycle (Tempest, Urza, Masques, and finally Invasion itself). Are we going to get that slow burn again? Or is it Dominaria, maybe another set, and Invasion of Ravnica a go-go? Kinda hoping for the former. And that we don't have anything resembling Prophecy along the way.


    Except this run's version of the Legacy seems to be in the hands of the bad guys this time: The Eternal Army, the Immortal Sun and The Planar Bridge.


    I didn't mean it'd be a copy, or even that it's a bad thing. Obviously there's a huge diff between Bolas going after Ravnica and Yawgmoth going after Dominaria. Bolas is far more vulnerable than the Ineffeable... but the defenders are going to be much less prepared.
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  • posted a message on Ixalan General Discussion
    Some questions

    1. It took several minutes between Jace's telepathic message to the crew and Vraska to call Tezzeret to get the Immortal Sun. But the floor (ie, the Immortal Sun) "gave way" almost immediately after Breeches and Malcom heard it. Just a bad time shift in writing, or something else?

    2. Where did Jace go after he wiped Vraska's memories? He couldn't Planeswalk away. Did he just run outside? And what's the significance of Vraska hearing rain?

    3. Look in the image of Mastermind's Acquisition. That is a very nasty looking spiky world on the other side of that portal. LIke, New Phyrexia maybe? Exactly where did Tezzeret take the Immortal Sun?

    4. Ultimately, it looks like we're heading for Invasion 2.0, this time on Ravnica. It took them three years to set the stage for the Invasion Cycle (Tempest, Urza, Masques, and finally Invasion itself). Are we going to get that slow burn again? Or is it Dominaria, maybe another set, and Invasion of Ravnica a go-go? Kinda hoping for the former. And that we don't have anything resembling Prophecy along the way.
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  • posted a message on Ixalan General Discussion
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    Also, Azor's opinion upon meeting Ugin isn't very rosy. calling him a friend seemed a bit tongue in cheek. Wondering if most MTG Vorthoses looking at Ugin as the "good" answer to Bolas might be a bit skewed?


    There has been a distinct anti-oldwalker bias in Creative over the past couple of years. I suspect it's part of Wizards' drive to convince players (especially older ones) that neowalkers are better because they're nicer people or something.


    Well, not all oldwalkers. Jaya, Karn, and Teferi are/were oldwalkers, right? Then again, compared to the likes of Ugin and Azor, they're pretty young still. So maybe it's a bias against the unfathomably ancient.

    But I don't think Ugin's actions have ever been good--or evil. As I said before, he's so concerned about the gestalt Multiverse that the fates of individual entities--or individual planes--just can't matter to him as long as they're not part of a trend.

    Which admittedly brings up an interesting contrast. Ugin is portrayed as being unable to see the trees for the forest...but perhaps Creative, with their human constraints, have difficulties seeing the forest for the trees?


    We have no idea what Jaya was like as a Planeswalker. We got one glimpse of her right after she ascended. Although Jodah did say she was extremely reckless, which doesn't bode well with Tamiyo's "We don't know how big our feet are" analogy. Times a billion since Tamiyo doesn't have a clue what it was like BEFORE the mending.

    Teferi, however, had his moments of jerkery. A few in Mirage, plus, I mean, phasing out HIS homeland during the Invasion, which would have created tsunamis that affected the rest of the world. To be fair, I wouldn't have been keen to work with Urza either, but still, the guy caused catastrophies on a whim out of fairly tribalist desires. He was better in the Time Spiral block, but that's largely because Jhoira is a very, VERY effective morality pet.

    Karn created his own metallic world on a whim and essentially kidnapped sapient races from other worlds to it to inhabit it.

    They weren't nearly as bad as Azor was, but all three still had their moments.
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  • posted a message on Ixalan General Discussion
    Another hidden gem in the text that Wizards is so good at working in.

    The statue, large in its own right, had been installed (rather too ostentatiously in Bolas's view) atop the largest building in the city—an official-looking marble hall that towered over the plaza.


    If the guy who put his curved horn motif over every square inch of Amonkhet including GIANT VERSIONS OF IT TOWERING OVER THE WHOLE PLANE thinks something's ostentatious, I'm probably gonna believe it.
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  • posted a message on Ixalan General Discussion
    Quote from NihilNail »
    It seems Azor has an uncontrollable hero complex.

    He was completely unperturbed by the idea of sacrificing his spark to achieve a vaguely conceptualised ‘good’. When that failed, he immediately set about creating law on Ixalan, not because there genuinely was a problem to solve, but because it would satisfy his own ego.

    From the way he treated the people on the ‘Palace of Justice’ plane as a conscriptable welcome party he could muster and disperse at a whim, it is clear his actions are motivated more by a desire to BE a a source of ‘good’ than any actual concern for his ‘subjects’. Previous worlds like Ravnica and the plane with the one-handed elf may have been spared the worst because the laws there solved actual problems, others like the ‘Palace of Justice’ plane were purely ego projects with inevitably disastrous consequences.

    Could Azor be gradually descending into senility even before Ixalan? It would explain his deteriorating work.



    I don't think it's fair to call it senile, because tha'ts assuming sphinx's minds operate like ours. Sphinx's by nature are more grandiose, sociopathic, and fanatically ideological. Azor's the ultimate deist. Here, I'll set it up, but you have to figure it out, and if you fail, its your own fault. The biggest flaw he has is he refuses to admit that a system of law that doesn't take the imperfect nature of its subjects into account isn't perfect.
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  • posted a message on Ixalan General Discussion
    Quote from Dunharrow »
    Anybody else feel like Bolas' end game is a bit underwhelming?

    Also, how do the Eldrazi fit into that end game?

    I had assumed that the end game was getting his former power back. In the Amonkhet block he goes on about putting his plan in motion, to devour worlds to get his power back. Why is Ravnica important to that goal?


    Ravnica is a major centralized plane with advanced infrastructure, technology, and society, that might have even replaced Dominaria as THE plane in the multiverse (thanks to Dominaria's approximately fifty apocalypses. Taking that could be a key component to the overall plan.

    Also, best I can understand, the Eldrazi were a test, somewhat. Bolas assumed a group of Walkers would come to confront them, and he could observe how they worked against a major, but largely mindless threat. I also think Bolas probably derives some sort of pleasure out of undoing Ugin's works.
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