MTG Salvation

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air hockey

Phase 59: Buy all of the now obsolete crude oil at bargain prices.

Granted.

I wish that no harm ever comes to my shiny new laptop.

I don't know why people are buying Wesso's claim that he could have easily fabricated from infinitive's claim, but whatever..
NOTE: This is why we don't randomly claim, infinitive.

Additionally, I am completely against lynching zionite today. His actions really don't look so scummy from where I'm sitting. Yesterday, he completely misread the LE situation; so, yes, he has been somewhat coattailing me, but that's only because his confidence was shaken a bit yesterday and I'm the only voice he is sure he can trust amongst the sea of potential scum. And when I say he has been "passively scummy," I mean he has only committed the crimes of blending in too much and not heavily expressing his own opinion: things which can also be done by nervous/uncertain townies. And sure, he was against the CDM lynch yesterday, but so was infinitive.

Quote from Zionite

Hmm...I still have my doubts. I'd say if CDM comes up scum I'll be very surprised. I still think he's town. If he's scum, I'm re-reading hardcore, haha.

I see zionite as a shaken townie who had his entire scum-web torn to pieces day 1 and has not quite recovered.

So, either loran can't count, or DYH is right about our double/none voter.

Goodnight everyone, hope to see you all in the morning.

Quote from Disrupt_Your_Hymn

And frankly, I'm not sure it's really worth exposing.

I agree. Why should we force a likely townie to reveal their secret ability when the scum aren't even claiming for us?

Vote Dragyn_Mage

I wonder what tomorrow looks like?
Move to: (0,0,0,1)

Quote from goatrevolt

TFF, I feel prepared to give my other reason. It reveals more information than I would like to

If you really think it will help catch one of the few remaining scum, it should be worth it at this point.

Unvote

Nevermind.
Goat, I can't support this course of action without your additional reason; I'm not going to rely on my assumption of what that reason is and the rest of your case isn't strong enough, from my personal view.

@goat: I hope I'm reading your reasoning properly.

Unvote iLord
Vote Zionite

Quote from DVDe

I like the new proposal, but I can't vote yes because I overreacted to the previous proposal and voted no right away.

Well, for balance, since CP overreacted and voted yes right away, should I now change it to something he'd hate? Maybe... "The prescribed voting period is two months."

@Goat: You have a decent case against zionite; he has been acting fairly passively scummy. But, I don't think he would really be our best lynch option for today; there are other players who have been acting much more actively scummy. I think looking into them would be a better use of our energy at the moment.

Quote from iLord

I meant lynch instead of claim. I said in my first post that I was going to look over the thread (look over Netfinity's posts) again. However, after briefly looking over YuanTi's posts (A lot of the points against Diggy apply to Netfinity), I decided that it doesn't matter what Wesso's alignment is.

I think that this is similar to the CDM lynch yesterday (except the claim isn't horrible). Wesso has been acting the scummiest (His most recent cases against players consist of one against Jack [Which was basically talking about his lurking when he just got replaced], and against Infinitive [About which it has already been decided unlikely to be scum at this point]) and his lynch would provide us the most information regardless of alignment. If he does turn up town, I think that Goatrevolt is more or less cleared (And not just because of the sudden unvote since I am now 95% sure that Goat and I see the same thing).

Before the day ends, I would like anyone else to speak up to see if they see what Goat and I see (Do you see any flavor reasons to believe Wesso's claim?), as it may become important for Day 3.

All bold/italic is mine.

So... you believe Wesso's claim for flavor reasons, and you don't think he is scum... but you want to lynch him anyway?
Vote iLord

Quote from DVDe

You could have waited to see if 204 was passed or not and just submite this if it was passed.

But we need a shorter voting period. An entire week is a bit crazy. If you have an issue with the other problem that I already tried to fix, you're welcome to go fix it yourself. I'm not allowed to submit two proposals at the same time.

Quote from Huaojozu

Something along the lines of reducing the time for change to 24 hours.

The real problem is that the "debate period" when changes can be made is tangled with the voting period, and (as shown by this proposal) you can't effectively make changes to one without effecting the other. Ideally, someone would make pass a proposal to completely remove the debate period from the voting period and then we could create a seperate means of debating proposal ideas before voting. That way, we could effect either independently without worrying about messy interactions with the other.