But he should be the only Baratheon king in the game. In any case, everyone else with a Baratheon WC said it changed.
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I'll second Vampyr's suggestion for a mass claim. There aren't many people left who have yet to claim, and I think we should just get everything out there and then sort it out. The fact that Axelrod is trying to direct discussion today and has pegged himself and 3 others as town without any explanation doesn't strike me as right...especially since only 1 of those 3 has actually claimed thus far.
I agree with Axel's list and I understand why and how he made it. Your lack of understanding in this area increases my suspicion of you.
Also, I wouldn't be opposed to the mass claim idea, but I'd like goat and Rafk to go first. Goat's above defense of Rafk's claimed WC makes me further believe that these are our Lannisters.
Unvote Ged's claim makes sense, he wasn't counter claimed, and I don't need him dead. Vote RafK His WC claim makes less sense. Everyone else with a Baratheon WC seemed to get a new WC after Renly died. Rafk has claimed no such change. I'm thinking he is probably a Lannister. I'd like a full claim from him.
Of course, I'd like to also hear goat's claim. I wouldn't be surprised if these two are the last remaining scum.
Don't be embarassed, apparently the Mod. forgot it too.
Tan being listed in today's players alive list definitely didn't help.
Anyway, with that cleared up, I agree that those 4 players should either admit or deny being one of those 4 characters (I don't think they need to claim which one yet).
For SB (and everyone else too I guess): There are definitely some similarities between the way cyan and ZDS have been approaching their targets. But there is a huge difference... Cyan's passion seems to come from a genuine feeling of having found scum and wanting to bring them down before they escape. ZDS's passion, on the other hand, seems to come from a place that is a bit less... sincere. For example, let's look at this exchange:
@TheFooFish : Please take a deep breath and reconsider your answers to Cyan, this time without the OMGUS, sarcasm, and dismissiveness ; in order to end up with answers to Cyan's arguments, not to Cyan himself.
Here, ZDS (falsely) accuses me of not answering the arguments brought against me, and requests for me to respond without any "OMGUS" attached.
Okay... which arguments? He accused my questioning of Netfinity as an "unthinkable" town play, which isn't true, and I explained my reasons for doing so (several times now). He accused me of OMGUS on him, which also isn't true, as I had suspicion on him before his OMGUS on me. And he accused me of (well, he agreed with your accusation of me) defending andelijah, which is actually true. Obviously, I did that because I think he his town and was being unfairly wagoned by cyan for no reason at all (which should be clear by now). Is there anything else I need to explain again?
Here, I call him on that... I show all of the arguments that were brought against me, and show how I already answered them, rendering his previous comments as empty and absurd.
1) Your OMGUS (or, if you prefer, your accusation of him OMGUSing you, which he considers an OMGUS) makes little to no sense. Please prove otherwise, or if you can't, drop the point. 2) Cyan's vote clearly has nothing to do with you FoSing him for his attack on Andelijah, since a) this was long ago and b) he made no mention of Andelijah as a reason for his vote. If you feel it is so important that he'd be the one who OMGUSed first, then at least use the right context. 3) This one is more something I would like you to think about for your own growth, than an argument you should answer to. There are many cases when a scum will do or say something that is unthinkable as town, in hopes of being perceived as town. For yourself, you should try to answer this paradox (hint : the answer is not "because he thinks the townies will WIFOM themselves into thinking he can't be scum if he's that scummy").
And now, he really seems backed into a corner... but does he admit he was wrong?
No... he responds by listing three "arguments I never answered". The third one clearly isn't an argument at all and seems to be used as padding. In addition, points 1 and 2 are the same point. Therefore, when he had asked for me to respond to the arguments against me without the OMGUS, the "arguments" he was refering to was actually a single argument... and was the accusation of OMGUS itself. This... doesn't make any sense.
Why would someone request for an explantion of an OMGUS... without the OMGUS (ie: why would he ask me to clarify and justify my case on cyan, while asking me to not attack cyan)? Why would a townie pad his argument to make it look much bigger? Why would someone be upset about a lack of response to arguments... and then need to scramble to scrape together a "list" of arguments, of which only one was an actual point?
And this is just one example. His posts seem as passionate as cyan's, but unlike cyan's, they don't seem to come from anywhere. That is the huge difference that makes me think cyan is town, while ZDS is scum.
I don't think I'm near as OMGUS-Happy as what you're saying.
Of course not... you don't attack everyone who attacks you... you just always attack one of your attackers when you come under suspicion: seems pretty effective for pushing attention off of yourself.
I'll agree that GT could be taking advantage of that fact; I'm already suspicious of his minimal content, anyhow, might as well take another look.
DYH, please don't tell me you are buying into another blatant OMGUS attack from ZDS. Every time a little suspicion builds on him, he OMGUS attacks one of his attackers and pushes all attention off of himself... and the town let's him do it.
Before my wagon, ZDS was under suspicion from several players; I mentioned that I'd be looking into his case next, and suddenly I became scum, he attacked me, and magically removed the pressure from himself.
Here, he is attempting the same thing.
@ZDS: It isn't scummy every time someone attacks you. It is scummy when you retaliate with an OMGUS attack to remove pressure from you.
FOS ZDS- I'll be moving my vote back to ZDS once my votes are tallied.
I agree with Axel's list and I understand why and how he made it. Your lack of understanding in this area increases my suspicion of you.
Also, I wouldn't be opposed to the mass claim idea, but I'd like goat and Rafk to go first. Goat's above defense of Rafk's claimed WC makes me further believe that these are our Lannisters.
Vote RafK His WC claim makes less sense. Everyone else with a Baratheon WC seemed to get a new WC after Renly died. Rafk has claimed no such change. I'm thinking he is probably a Lannister. I'd like a full claim from him.
Of course, I'd like to also hear goat's claim. I wouldn't be surprised if these two are the last remaining scum.
Ged should be claiming now; and the other 3 should be speaking up.
VOTE GED
Tan being listed in today's players alive list definitely didn't help.
Anyway, with that cleared up, I agree that those 4 players should either admit or deny being one of those 4 characters (I don't think they need to claim which one yet).
Haha. Duh. I forgot he was replaced. Night's are too long in this game.
Why isn't Tanarin in that group? I don't see any reason to believe he can't be one of those 4.
I wish it wasn't raining.
Here, ZDS (falsely) accuses me of not answering the arguments brought against me, and requests for me to respond without any "OMGUS" attached.
Here, I call him on that... I show all of the arguments that were brought against me, and show how I already answered them, rendering his previous comments as empty and absurd.
And now, he really seems backed into a corner... but does he admit he was wrong?
No... he responds by listing three "arguments I never answered". The third one clearly isn't an argument at all and seems to be used as padding. In addition, points 1 and 2 are the same point. Therefore, when he had asked for me to respond to the arguments against me without the OMGUS, the "arguments" he was refering to was actually a single argument... and was the accusation of OMGUS itself. This... doesn't make any sense.
Why would someone request for an explantion of an OMGUS... without the OMGUS (ie: why would he ask me to clarify and justify my case on cyan, while asking me to not attack cyan)? Why would a townie pad his argument to make it look much bigger? Why would someone be upset about a lack of response to arguments... and then need to scramble to scrape together a "list" of arguments, of which only one was an actual point?
And this is just one example. His posts seem as passionate as cyan's, but unlike cyan's, they don't seem to come from anywhere. That is the huge difference that makes me think cyan is town, while ZDS is scum.
PPE: Main points bolded for skimming ease
There is actually quite a bit of difference: I know, based just on my wagon alone, I got a strong town vibe from cyan and a scum read on ZDS...
What similarities do you see, exactly? Knowing that will help me better explain what I'm getting from ZDS.
Unvote
Vote ZDS
Of course not... you don't attack everyone who attacks you... you just always attack one of your attackers when you come under suspicion: seems pretty effective for pushing attention off of yourself.
DYH, please don't tell me you are buying into another blatant OMGUS attack from ZDS. Every time a little suspicion builds on him, he OMGUS attacks one of his attackers and pushes all attention off of himself... and the town let's him do it.
Before my wagon, ZDS was under suspicion from several players; I mentioned that I'd be looking into his case next, and suddenly I became scum, he attacked me, and magically removed the pressure from himself.
Here, he is attempting the same thing.
@ZDS: It isn't scummy every time someone attacks you. It is scummy when you retaliate with an OMGUS attack to remove pressure from you.
FOS ZDS- I'll be moving my vote back to ZDS once my votes are tallied.