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  • posted a message on Undergrowth Champion
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    Undergrowth champion reminds me more of what I'd replace avatar of the resolute with than managorger hydra. The one thing it has over the earlier card is that it is much harder overall to kill than the avatar, and it's protection is based on putting counters onto the elemental. Realistically, someone would have to be pummeling the guy like crazy to actually kill the champion, which is kind of nice. So the value prospective is completely based around how useful a creature that will hover around being a vanilla 3/3 to 5/5 and never die will be.


    Or pull one removal spell.. In my eye thats fine. No one plays more than four, and thats a lot.


    In my mind he's a good mythic, but he isn't a 17+ dollar mythic. There's nothing about the guy that defines a specific kind of deck and doesn't have a powerful ability like Deathmist Hydra or Spellskite.
    Posted in: Standard Archives
  • posted a message on Undergrowth Champion
    Undergrowth champion reminds me more of what I'd replace avatar of the resolute with than managorger hydra. The one thing it has over the earlier card is that it is much harder overall to kill than the avatar, and it's protection is based on putting counters onto the elemental. Realistically, someone would have to be pummeling the guy like crazy to actually kill the champion, which is kind of nice. So the value prospective is completely based around how useful a creature that will hover around being a vanilla 3/3 to 5/5 and never die will be.
    Posted in: Standard Archives
  • posted a message on Zada, Hedron Grinder
    Zadra looks like the budget deck builders best friend as a finisher. If someone were to run R/G with some ramp they could use what normally constitutes as a cheap combat trick to suddenly power up any small creatures they have on the field. Mass giant growth + tread upon, or just throw in a sure strike. I can see a few ways I'd use it in a modern deck, not sure about standard yet.
    Posted in: Standard Archives
  • posted a message on Shout out to the over 30 FNMers
    Magic has transcended the generations it's been around so long. I wouldn't feel bad if I saw a 45 year old sit down and play a game or two. Smile

    I know I'm 31 with a full time job that doesn't let me get out often to play at the store, but I still plan some vacation days around friday night magic and have some fun with others. Generally I play modern these days since it's a bit easier to keep up with than the ever shifting standard format. Not to mention price spikes and dives just drive me loony with trying to plan out what I'm going to buy a playset of during the passing months.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on [Primer] Cutthroat Aristocrats
    With what is in the event deck just buying two event decks may be worth it more than buying the singles.
    Posted in: Standard Archives
  • posted a message on [Primer] G/W/x Hardened Scales
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    I like the list man! I highly recommend you try some number of Citadel Siege after rotations (to replace the Ajani maybe?) since the card just gives you so much power throughout a longer game. Also you don't really run Abzan Falconer for it's outlast ability, you run him as kind of a surprise spell that gives your huge creatures a way to break through a deck trying to chump block you and buy time. I will regularly hold on to the falconer until turn 5-6 for that exact reason.

    Citadel Siege is also in the running. It will be that or the Retreat to Kazandu. I like both. Siege gives more counters usually and is a guarantee, but retreat can opt to give you life in a close game where you're behind; something Ajani was also good for. I'll probably test both and make my decision. The main issue now is acquiring at least 3 Undergrowth Champion. The other benefit to Retreat is that it's slightly lower on the curve and not double white, I have enough double green in the list that double white worries me to run.


    I'll back him up there. I was testing against this deck and the Abzan Falconer coming down can just be the end of the game in the right situation.


    Retreat might be good sideboard vs burn, actually.
    Posted in: Standard Archives
  • posted a message on Would you like it if WoTC reprinted older sets like Mirrodin and Kamigawa?
    I know on my top votes I got Innistrad, Lorwyn, and Mirrodin (even though Mirrodin has a lot of banned modern cards, but given they are switching to a two set block, they could just prune out the baddies and have mirrodin flashback 1 and mirrodin flashback 2).
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Most overhyped card in BFZ and most underrated card?
    Yeah now that the pre-release is over with, maybe we need a new thread just to see which ones turned out to really be under-rated and over rated. Smile I think converge provides more benefit than most people originally thought.
    Posted in: Standard Archives
  • posted a message on [Primer] G/W/x Hardened Scales


    To really get value out of anything with Renown you'd need something like Rogue's passage in the deck to guarantee the guy hits. Great fun in limited (especially with Outland Colossus), but I'm not sure about standard. I was thinking of throwing in that card as a one or two of in Harden scales just to try out some renown, since some of the renown critters can be surprisingly good. Citadel Castellan can really take people by surprise, as it's a 2/3 vigilance for 3 cmc, but if it hits suddenly it grows to become a 4/5 vigilance. Topan Freeblade is also pretty sweet for a common, as it is a 2 cmc creature that if it breaks through, becomes a 3/3 vigilance.

    I really want to try a renown build for harden scales because I think it would work much better than most people are giving it credit for. It just needs cards that let the creatures hit the opponent somehow, like the above mentioned land or something that grants evasiveness. Most likely it would have to be bant in color.

    What really makes the harden scales deck tick is we have cards that can somehow always end up with counters on them.
    Posted in: Standard Archives
  • posted a message on [Primer] Cutthroat Aristocrats
    Well, after the pre-release I'd say don't underestimate those scion spawns. It is totally viable to have zulaport combo off of scion sacking for ramp to get bigger and beefier threats on the field. That and rot shambler turned out to be surprisingly good. Unfortunately, I didn't have much luck against Felidar Sovereign thanks to life gain, and radiant flames for 3 or 4 is kind of brutal if they get it off before you are prepared for the sac strategy.

    Also, to comment on CarpaKitter's suggestion: With the scions and the general slow down on the meta, outpost siege could work as another way to add more damage.
    Posted in: Standard Archives
  • posted a message on [Primer] G/W/x Hardened Scales
    I don't know where people are getting off saying hardened scale decks aren't competitive. It's basically a conditional anthem that works on creatures with +1/+1 counters, only it doesn't give the bonus unless the creature itself comes out after the enchantment. It makes up for this shortcoming by working with other cards that give +1/+1 counters to creatures, so it's definitely worth the effort. The only weakness I can see is if someone sideboards a lot of enchantment hate. We don't exactly have a lot of ways to counter the hate and two of our most important buffing cards are enchantments. That has been the thorn in the side I've dealt with when running the deck.
    Posted in: Standard Archives
  • posted a message on [Primer] Affinity
    Well, not so much overthinking as just wanting to understand a bit more of the mind set for the deck. It seems really fast with getting out memnite and/or ornithopter on turn 1, drop a darksteel citadel, tap for springleaf drum, use that to summon a signal pest or some other low cost artifact creature like frogmite, and start delivering a lot of pain on turn 2.
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
  • posted a message on [Primer] Affinity
    I guess the other question I have is if Scourglass would be a good sideboard card against someone trying to grind out affinity or not by trying to out-creature summon affinity (if that is even possible). It looks like it would work well since we have nothing but artifacts, but the casting cost of double white just to get it out seems like it might be a pain to cast.
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  • posted a message on [Primer] Cutthroat Aristocrats
    Anyone here looked at the new event deck spoiler? It's got some of the tools for the deck right in it so buying up a few might be worth it. BFZ Event Deck link.

    It's primarily a BG deck that looks like it wants to try and abuse manifest and sac mechanics..
    Posted in: Standard Archives
  • posted a message on Halimar Tidecaller
    I could totally see this as a standard playable. It turns awakened lands into threats that don't get blanked by Siege Rhino or Deathmist Raptors, and rebuys counterspells, removal, and wrath; it's like a Den Protector for control decks that has even more value.


    halimar tidecaller is probably my favorite card in the set next to the new Drana, who will be fun to play in mono-black aggro. Honestly, the only reason Den Protector is even worth talking about is because the current blocks in standard seem to lack anything better. Eternal Witness needs a reprint, or at least another card that happens to be like it without some weirdness attached.
    Posted in: New Card Discussion
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