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  • posted a message on [POLL] Planeswalkers as playable generals
    Ok that's a fair point. So I just had a search on gatherer to see what other walkers might have a similar effect on their color combinations, ie. opening up a different way of playing things from the norm. Honestly i struggled. Aside from Nahiri, all I could come up with is Sarkhan Unbroken (because Temur is traditionally the colors of combo: Animar + Riku being the main culprits) and also Angrath, the Flame-Chained (because surprisingly perhaps, there are no Rakdos Commanders that attack opponents hands, an obvious way to get card advantage)

    But other than that you're right, I just want it for Boros Frown (but because she looks interesting, i don't do pets :p )
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  • posted a message on [POLL] Planeswalkers as playable generals
    Quote from DirkGently »
    Why won't you listen to the will of the people and make legendary enchantments legal commanders?!?! /sarcasm


    I'm sensing some undue hostility, who hurt you bro? Wink

    I never said she'd fix all of Boros's problems, just that she'd help to shake things up. By your own examples we currently have only two non-aggro choices, Fire Song and Sunspeaker, and Depala, Pilot Exemplar. Compare that with any other color combo short of Rakdos and we're outnumbered 10 to 1 (figure of speach - dont judge me)

    Anyway, I know an argument's gone too far when I have to re-read my original post. All i'm saying is it's worth giving walkers a try, where's the harm in that.



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  • posted a message on [POLL] Planeswalkers as playable generals
    Quote from DirkGently »
    Ok, someone really needs to explain to me why Nahiri, the harbinger - a planeswalker with less play on edhrec than dovin baan (the original one? The one that sucks horribly and deserves no play at all?) - would be the savior that would save boros from suckitude. Her +2 is just a worse daretti ability. Her -2 is fine but much worse when it's predictable out of the command zone. And her ult is fine, but this isn't a format like modern where one eldrazi attack is going to shut someone out of the game forever. Honestly I'd go so far as to say her ult is one of the worst of all the walkers for this format.

    What's so special about nahiri? Almost every other color combination has better walkers available for commanders. If anything it would probably make boros even worse.

    If you want walkers as commanders then cool, ask your playgroup about it, but this "help boros" excuse is flimsy as all hell.


    This is sort of exactly my point, Nahiri isn't brilliant, no-one is going to say wow that's OP it should be banned, which is why in her case at least, having a planeswalker commander would be totally fine, how could anyone complain?

    The reason I personally think she'd be good for Boros, is just because she's completely different to what's out there. The 'problem' with Boros commanders at the moment is that they're all saying the same thing: Attack Attack Attack.

    But Nahiri doesn't care about attacking, she opens up a door to a different kind of build. Her + for instance could go well with soem of the white reanimation, or the red artifact recursion, no other boros commander can do this. The - ability is versatile (but conditional) removal on a boros commander, again not OP, but again unheard of in Boros. And the ult... there's probably something really silly you could do with it, all I can think of is Blightsteel Colossus, but whatever you get, it's actually card advantage which again, is unheard of in Boros.

    Edit: She'd also let you build a deck that isn't creature dependant (which far as I know isn't a thing in Boros?) Meaning you could run more board wipes more often, and claw back the value that way.
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  • posted a message on [POLL] Planeswalkers as playable generals
    Quote from schweinefett »
    I can definitely see the (a bit) theme though, but not enough to offset the "you're a planeswalker, and have a pet...planeswalker as your trusty sidekick to whoop butt" disconnect that occurs. Having a pet dragon as your familiar makes more sense. But maybe ill run this by my group to test some of the more potentially problematic walkers to see how broken they really are.


    @schweinefett is that what it's supposed to be? I always just sort of imagined we were playing as the commander (Like the old pc game Total Annihilation lol)

    I hope your playtesting goes well, I can't imagine you'd even notice a difference in the long term
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  • posted a message on [POLL] Planeswalkers as playable generals
    A friend of mine suggested this should have been the card they printed instead of the latest uncommon Nahiri Walker



    Obviously it's a tad much, but the point was certain color combinations (mainly the worst color combination in EDH, Boros) could really benefit from having walkers as commanders. So one or two might be a bit busted, looking at you Tezzeret... but if it's busted, ban the card, not the entire Card Type!

    And I know... the RC don't want to have two seperate ban lists for Commanders and the 99, but are we really so unintelligent that we can't work out which is which? I think we deserve a little more credit than that.

    With War of the Spark, Wizards has gone to a lot of effort to make sure Walkers are accessible and thought-through, so isn't it time we give Planeswalker Commanders a chance?
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  • posted a message on Print this Wizards (so I can play it in EDH)
    Magus of the Stories WW
    Creature - Human Magus (MR)
    When ~ enters the battlefield, players play a Magic subgame, using their libraries as their decks. Each player who doesn't win the subgame loses half their life, rounded up.
    2/2



    Should say lose half rounded down, that way I can flicker it infinitely and not let anyone leave XD
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  • posted a message on Print this Wizards (so I can play it in EDH)
    Quote from schweinefett »
    Quote from Reach229 »
    Quote from Ree Wicker »
    Vetra WUR
    Legendary Creature - Sphinx Avatar (MR)
    When ~ enters the battlefield, secretly choose the name of a card that is a permanent.
    Flying, haste
    When the named card would enter the battlefield, you may reveal the name. If you do, it enters the battlefield under your control instead.
    3/3
    "What do you use every single day, but never pay for? What is truly yours but came from somewhere else? What is very personal but shared with everyone?"


    I would love this, but the rage on the table every time you steal that guy's commander... XD


    I name "island"!

    ....wait a minute..



    Ok good point, still with some minor tweaks it would be fine, add non-land, or only 'the next time...' it should probably also cost an addition generic mana or something... I just like that it would be a Jeskai commander that isn't combo and/or sucks :p
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  • posted a message on All the Commander EDH Deck Archetypes and Themes
    schweinefett I think i somehow skipped over your post, and I was missing out...
    Quote from schweinefett »

    hey man... suicide decks are definitely not only a 'I'm here for funsies' ...

    This made me chuckle. My apologies, it's just I've never seen one in action, and on the face of it 'suicide' doens't sound like an aggressive thing, but i get your point, and i retract my statement Wink

    Quote from schweinefett »
    ...tempo as i understand it, is upping my board presence and disrupting your board presence (and ignoring other resources). imagine sort of aggro-control, but it can be a very temporary sort of control. Up tempo as you used it means cheating on mana, and they're not really the same thing. I'd rename it to just cheating on mana, or curve-jumping maybe? or sneak and show? or cast cheating (as darrenhabib suggested).

    Stompy in my mind is turn 1 ancient tomb-chalice of the void, turn 2 magus of the moon beatdown. Maybe it's something else in EDH (i've never heard the term used outside of legacy before).

    By the way. Any distinction in your mind between stax and prison? stax as in smokestack, prison as in tangle wire?


    Sneak and Tell works for me, will tweak the name.
    You're right Stompy is a Legacy term meaning something else. I will ammend that to 'RG Monsters' (or xy as it may be)
    Stax and Prison are basically cousins, right? Added it to the list ^^
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  • posted a message on Print this Wizards (so I can play it in EDH)
    Quote from Ree Wicker »
    Vetra WUR
    Legendary Creature - Sphinx Avatar (MR)
    When ~ enters the battlefield, secretly choose the name of a card that is a permanent.
    Flying, haste
    When the named card would enter the battlefield, you may reveal the name. If you do, it enters the battlefield under your control instead.
    3/3
    "What do you use every single day, but never pay for? What is truly yours but came from somewhere else? What is very personal but shared with everyone?"


    I would love this, but the rage on the table every time you steal that guy's commander... XD
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  • posted a message on All the Commander EDH Deck Archetypes and Themes
    Quote from ISBPathfinder »
    I would avoid listing all the mechanics as themes. It is true that you could list them but my counter argument is that yes, you could list all of them as themes. Most of those themes are barely fringe playable and it opens a lot of well if theme X which is a mechanic is listed then why not mechanic Y.


    Got an issue with any particular themes?

    I know what you're saying, it's hard because it's subjective so you're not wrong. I've been working roughly on the basis that if you can build it in at least two or three different ways, then it's broad enough to count as a 'theme', and I'm not against listening to people's arguments coz who am I to call anyone wrong ^^

    The aim is to list only the most popular and recurring mechanics. Obviously we could go too far and say things like: well 'Dredge' is a theme, 'Myriad' is a theme, but to that person I'd say 9 out of 10 times it fits into another category better, and the community at large doesn't use it as a term, and there aren't many cards that actually do that thing! But more importantly, if it isn't on the list, it's because nobody asked me to add it yet :p

    I guess those decks would count as 'other' (or maybe weird/janky)?

    *I've added Life Drain. In my opinion it rarely makes up the soul (or even main) wincon, but it's still a re-ocurring sight in EDH.
    *Eggs sounds like a subdivision of artifacts, unless it's used for explosive mana or card draw, in which case it fits into one of the other categories?
    *Corrected group 'slag' - must of had someone on my mind... Laughing
    *I don't think there's a good short term for 'cheating the mana costs' yet, but Play for Free doesn't apply to all of the examples, is it worth breaking up the category? Could have one 'Play for Free' and another like 'Play for Less...' it's still messy Frown
    *I've seen 'political' come up a few times across posts, and I don't know... it feels more like a playstyle connected to the person than the deck (I guess it comes down to definitions?). Personally I can't think of a cards I'd call 'political' that couldn't also be called 'Control' or 'Group Hug'/'Slug'. But what do you think?
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  • posted a message on All the Commander EDH Deck Archetypes and Themes
    I almost want to split these into mainstream and 'fringe', but the grey area would be so large we'd be arguing for weeks XD

    I think I'll break off the 'Tribal' sub-categories as this has already come up once. On reflection I'm not sure what I thought it would achieve by grouping them together. Tribal means creatures, right? Other stuff is other stuff... so consider it done ^^

    Battlecruiser - Play big threats every turn. This is a step up from Good-Stuff / Mid-Range in spell sizes, defines the casual format for Timmies.

    Never really been convinced by the term battlecruiser... In my experience its just a word used to describe decks with terrible curves XD But I agree it's a term well known amongst Timmies, so who am I to ignore it? Added.

    I don't like the term "Up-Tempo Decks"

    Me neither! Can we come up with a good term for these decks that cheat the mana costs? How about Sneak Attack (or Show and Tell)? I know those cards aren't necesarily played with the above commanders, but they encapsulate the idea of the decks, and are infamous enough that most people will get the rough idea...

    *
    Added Cylcing, and Cascade.
    Added XY Stompy (typically RG but i don't see color yo Wink )
    Overrun usually is Swarm (i forgot the term)
    Tweaked 'Counters'

    P.s. Thanks for all the awesome feedback, this is much much better than actual work Shocked
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  • posted a message on All the Commander EDH Deck Archetypes and Themes
    Can't disagree with that argument, I'd still call suicide a bit fringe, but a theme is a theme! Grin

    Moved Artifacts out of tribal, and added Top-Deck Matters.

    What's a cycling deck anyway, things like Astral Slide? I've seen a Zur the Enchanter deck that makes cycling look strong, but its pretty unique, in the same way that Grenzo, Dungeon Warden is a Bottom-Deck Matters deck... but there aren't enough decks out there to really call it a theme... or am i being picky? Smile
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  • posted a message on All the Commander EDH Deck Archetypes and Themes
    Interesting Shocked

    Ok so let's go with the term "Judo" for this deflection style of deck (though I definately want to see one in action ^^) My guess would be it plays similar to a pillow fort/ control deck, in that half your game would be spent holding up mana as a deterrant/threat, then aims to win with something like Insurrection or a really big deflecting palm? I'm not sure how many cards like that are out there, but I go with the consensus Shocked

    As for suicide! That may be a theme under "I'm here for the fun"! But if we're doing it for speed, I guess it would come under the same branch as 'cheating the curve' (which was really difficult to put a name to...) How bout we call it 'Up-Tempo', to distinguish it from the 'tempo' decks in 1v1 formats, and to include not only ritual effects, but also the cards that cheat mana costs in other ways.

    ^^

    Ps. Clones already on the list: was in two minds whether to put it under the 'tribal' bracket or not..
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  • posted a message on All the Commander EDH Deck Archetypes and Themes
    Quote from cryogen »
    Would you consider Judo ("You did this to yourself") an archetype or a theme?

    Can't say I've ever seen a deck that does this, are we talking about a deck with all the effects like Misdirection and Deflecting Palm?

    Tell me more Grin do you have a list?

    I've added Draw-Go and Toolbox to the list ^^
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  • posted a message on Print this Wizards (so I can play it in EDH)
    Quote from NZB2323 »

    The other thing I’d like is for a planeswalker similar to Nahiri, the harbinger to be able to be a commander. She wouldn’t be broken as a commander and would allow for a Boros control deck.


    OMG I have never heard a more convincing argument to make planeswalkers legal as Commanders. My mind is blown.
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