Quote from MarcWizard »
We're not talking about that resilience though; the key topic I see being discussed is the T4 rule. The same rule that Vizier and Affinity break on a regular basis.
Not entirely sure what you and spiegel are arguing about, but this quoted piece is not untrue. Neither Affinity nor Counters Company "consistently"/"frequently" win before T4. They can win on T3, but that's not the rule. To break the T4 rule, a deck must do so consistently/frequently. In my 2015 MTGO dataset with about 3000 Affinity games, the deck won on T3 in about 6% of total games, which was well under the Bloom # for the same time period (about 18%). In a separate Counters Company analysis of 2017 paper games, we find that Company has an average T3 win% of about 3.6%. If we resample that to increase N, we find a range of possible T3 win%s between 0% and 10.7%. The odds that Company and Bloom share the same T3 win % is only about 4%. Statistically, that means they probably are not the same and we can be pretty sure Company is not a real T4 violator.
It is much more likely that Storm is a real T4 violator than either Affinity or Company: 23% chance by my last calculation. As for Affinity and Company, it is, at best, inaccurate to compare the decks to Storm/Bloom/T4 violators. At worst, it is deliberately misleading.
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I very much think faithless looting is becoming an issue for modern and could go down the road of Probe. No, faithless looting is not to nerf Hoogak decks, it's an overall meta health issue.
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This is definitely worthy of an emergency ban.
I don't even know what should be banned, I think it'll honestly take both pieces of something.
Hoogak was an extremely horribly designed mistake, and they printed this for modern so there's no excuse to say it slipped their radar.
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2x foil Wrenns for 90 a piece, 2x non foil for low 20's, 2x foil Plague Engineers for 6 a piece, 2x Collector Ouphe foils for 14 a piece, 4x Seasoned Pyromancer for 45 a piece.
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The deck is broken. I dont need more convincing. This isnt some cute plays with shadow or Phoenix. The deck is very much busted. You stick s leyline or jailer or 100 percent lose. Reid Duke on camera last night had no issues facing fast decks with it for a turn 3 win.
Deck is getting banned, let's not do this foolishness again, we all said to give eldrazi a chance for data collection. This is easily a tier 0 deck. Ban it. Its not healthy to see 8 or 9 gy hate in people's 75.
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Like, as of now, Jund, Rock, Shadow have still received nothing. Abzan received a card, but Abzan has so many fundamental issues as of now it doesn't matter. I also think Kara's Guile is more of an esper card not Abzan. God knows the 3 drop slot in that deck is already filled with too much.
I just want a god damn good card, and so far most of Tuesday's big spoilers is already done with. So far Yawgmoth and a 3/3 undead dude isn't doing it. Neither is an unplayable snow deluge (not enough product).
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These horrible 4 drop black creatures are barely playable
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I think Abzan Company decks are coming back into modern.
I wonder what a devoted black deck with these cards look like. Or if it would splash white, which is probable.
Whichever. I'm massively bitter as a thoughtseize player with Horizon due to the awful spoilers so far in the archetype, but I can admit this set will change modern quite a bit as a whole. I wonder what changes to become the top decks.