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  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 01/10/2018)
    Yeah, lately I kinda play Jund and midrange/Shadow flavor decks for fun. It feels a little obligating to main Mono G Tron at the moment.

    I do hope midrange becomes more than a 45% type of deck again.

    Midrange ruled for about a year before Humans so I can't really bitch, metas ebb and flow. Right now we're in a very linear meta where GY, Tribal aggro is king. I do think at the moment these aggro decks have received so many tools that spot removal isn't so fantastic anymore---Hence, why I'm just going Tron right now. I was feeling decent about me playing Grixis Shadow until Humans and Spirits just crapped all over me. I also didn't realize there isn't really enough combo to prey on, as I think Humans kinda deterred people outside of KCI and Storm.

    Maybe next year the meta will be more interactive, right now it's super linear.

    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Jund
    It feels crazy clunky now. It'd be better in a fair meta.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Death's Shadow Jund
    Yes, he says it somewhere in the comments in reddit. He said you're better off playing Humans, that has similar good matchups. I think he also said things like KCI and Tron are a better deck right now.

    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Jund
    Quote from Galerion »
    There was a MWP chart posted in the "State of Modern" thread

    1. KCI: 57.73% (n=582)
    2. Hardened Scales: 55.29% (n=340)
    3. Bant Spirits: 53.7% (n=324)
    4. Counters Company: 53.7% (n=419)
    5. Humans: 52.13% (n=1452)
    6. UW Control: 51.6% (n=845)
    7. Gx Tron: 51.46% (n=1028)
    8. Hollow One: 50.81% (n=494)
    9. Storm: 50.12% (n=425)
    10. Grixis Death's Shadow: 50.1% (n=485)
    11. Infect: 49.55% (n=440)
    12. Burn: 49.19% (n=1055)
    13. Jeskai Control: 48.26% (n=835)
    14. Titanshift: 47.02% (n=487)
    15. Mardu Pyromancer: 46.02% (n=678)
    16. Jund: 45.71% (n=676)
    17. Affinity: 44.01% (n=609)


    Unfortunately that indicates that saying that Jund isn't that good seems to be more than just a subjective feeling.


    Well, yah, when it comes to our deck I'm more often right, even if I come off very pessimistic. I have this whole thing foiled out so obviously I have some vested interested in some variation of GBx doing well.

    Dredge being very good is rarely a good thing, it starts to kick other graveyard decks out of the meta. It also kinda makes a deck like Tron good, too. UW Control players on Facebook seem to be on a slight downtrend based off what they're saying, although that community is very enthusiastic.


    Going into an open tournament, I would definitely configure a Jund list that is primarily ignoring mirror matches or midrange. Local metas may say otherwise since they're smaller.


    On another note, should we really be playing Maelstrom Pulse nowadays? I was thinking about the regionals, and I saw two familiar names. The one was Jadine, who we obviously know. The other was a name I see on Facebook who's had some decent results at SCG and other events, Michael Olsen. Neither decided to play Pulse. Michael even played 1x seal of fire.

    I do think with how good Tron is that it's a mistake to play less than 3x Fulminators right now. And we are in this stage where so much tribal aggro is around that MAYBE the 4th LOTV isn't as amazing. I always, always thought playing less than 4x LOTV in Jund was a mistake and it's weird to play her as a 3 of.

    The new Affinity is benefiting from this meta since UW Control is down. KCI looks good, too. I wonder if 1x Grudge is a mistake?


    I'm seeing a lot of Jund players on 1 or 2 surgicals, do you guys like this? I'm undecided about it. It could make sense with all the combo and the addition of Trophy.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Jund
    Quote from moondemon88 »
    Quote from Spsiegel1987 »
    I've always favored lean lists, and outside of a difference in 1 land base, my land bases have often looked like yours. The only time we disagree'd heavily on a land base was on a Rabblemaster list.

    I do feel I'm pretty right when certain GBx archetypes are going to trend up or down or be irrelevant, usually. Sadly, this time around it just feels rough to be playing fair. We have the aggro decks going underneath, the GY stuff being degenerate, and a ton of Big Mana decks. It's stretching the 75 we're allowed to have in too many directions.



    Dude every time i see you i'm starting to debate if your a lucky charm or a black cat. Usually you say something along the lines of "jund is bad switch to X Deck instead" shortly after jund rises up. Weird facts aside i do agree with some of what you said and nice seeing you again.


    I'm a midrange player at heart, and even though I prefer Jund, I don't think we should be afraid to switch to different variations when one is better Grin

    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Jund
    Oh, I completely agree, man. I wrote that so it wasnt just me bitching and writing a spam or troll post.

    The truth is, it feels bad playing a fair deck right now. I'm personally thinking of jamming mono g tron until this ugly meta shifts. I'm a midrange player at heart so I play it reluctantly.

    It does seem like a poor idea to play jund unless you have the reps. I'm pretty rusty with jund, as I took a long break and need to get reps in on mtgo.

    Alyius, I saw you looking in spirits. I think I'd personally play humans, as humans is such an evergreen tribe in every set.

    This is modern. It all shifts and cycles.

    I wish jund could make use of looting or an impactful cantrip, as I think it's what jund is missing.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Jund
    Yes, this is also depending on an open meta.

    Definitely 4 minimum going into an unknown tournament/meta/mtgo.

    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Jund
    Well, with the way the meta looks, it almost seems right to replace 1x BBE with Kalitas, 2x Angers in the side. Probably 4 or 5 GY hate in the 75 that don't include Scooze.

    I'm not too certain on the rest on how it should look.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Jund
    I've always favored lean lists, and outside of a difference in 1 land base, my land bases have often looked like yours. The only time we disagree'd heavily on a land base was on a Rabblemaster list.

    I do feel I'm pretty right when certain GBx archetypes are going to trend up or down or be irrelevant, usually. Sadly, this time around it just feels rough to be playing fair. We have the aggro decks going underneath, the GY stuff being degenerate, and a ton of Big Mana decks. It's stretching the 75 we're allowed to have in too many directions.

    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Jund
    Quote from GIANJU »
    Hi, if the meta is that, I wouldn't bring my old little jund deck, but anyway there are my considerations:
    MB:
    -1 pulse +1 lily of the veil, -1 wooded +1 blooming marsh
    SB:
    -1 cage +1 spellbomb, -1 kalithas +1 surgical

    Enjoy


    Midrange decks as a whole look horribly placed, that includes Mardu, Shadow...

    It's incredibly depressing how Creeping Chill is shaping the meta.

    This group of people made an interesting report on the meta

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ModernMagic/comments/9xkdzi/modern_the_modern_meta_after_gp_atlanta/


    Jund needs to up it's GY hate, probably play 1x Kalitas, and pack some extra hate for tribal decks. Apparently Jund's matchup report against Humans was not in our favor. I have to admit in my own experience, this is by no means a great feeling match.

    I played Mono G Tron at my FNM on Monday and THAT felt more suitable to the meta (as my meta are mainly a bunch of spikes).

    I do find the meta frustrating as it's making midrange kinda crappy unless you're Jadine or Reid Duke.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Grixis Death's Shadow
    I've been practicing on MTGO with Grixis and 4C Shadow.

    Traverse the Ulvenwald itself can be such a clunky card in a meta this fast, and the lands are so sloppily constructed, it feels like you better hope to know what 4th color is least important that game.

    It is a nice surprise how smooth this deck is without the K-Commands and Lillies clunking it up. I don't feel like I'm improving with the deck, which is frustrating. The sideboard plan for this deck seems a lot more complex than the other fair decks.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 01/10/2018)
    Wow, Tron at 8%? That's large. Surprised how much Phoenix is doing, too. I'm skeptical of that card in modern right now.

    That pie chart overall looks pretty solid.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Death's Shadow Jund
    Quote from tjd2191 »
    @sspiegel- do you have a link to that article? I'm not sure I saw it





    https://www.mtgcanada.com/modern/playing-jund-shadow-not-grixis/

    Here's that article I was referring to about Jund Shadow.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Jund
    The guy running 22 lands must have been running hot or faced amazing pairings, because mathematically that Jund deck is absolute garbage.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Death's Shadow Jund
    So, what should these lists be looking like?
    Posted in: Midrange
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