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  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 16/04/2018)
    I'm definitely hoping Teferi explodes blue so i can sell it off for a reasonable price.

    Where do you guys see the meta heading in the next six months?

    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on Modern Hollow One discussion
    Is there an extensive sideboard guide to this deck? There doesn't seem to be a lot from what I searched up on Google
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
  • posted a message on Jund
    I think you guys are stressing about Tron too much, big mana is general is in a very bad spot right now with how linear the meta is with combo and aggro.

    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 16/04/2018)
    Man, remember when half of the SCG staff said that Humans is a trash deck thats a flash in the pan?
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 16/04/2018)
    Why play Jund when you can play Hollow One?

    Uuuhhh, exactly. I bought into Hollow One the GP after Protour. I had most of the staples and only needed to buy the Bloodghasts and Lores

    Even when Jund was getting results, I was getting all these free wins with Hollow One. It's like if Jund and Dredge had a baby.

    Playing fair is just a bad idea in modern, man. The only reason Shadow was good was because Shadow is a busted ass card that makes Stubborn Denial oppressively good.

    If you want to play fair, play standard or Delver in legacy (before DRS eats an eventual ban).

    Fair decks are fine if all you want to do is win FNMs though, thats how we justify our arguments in this thread.

    Or we point out for when world players like Reid Duke places in something significant with a fair deck.

    I've definitely become bitter, but I do feel what I am saying is true, which sucks--because I was a fair player at heart. I'm going to eventually buy into Humans again. I have all of GBx, Hollow One and Tron (which has its ebbs and flows, but feels like a good deck to own if its not your only deck).

    I'm going to wait until something makes blue explode in price instead of selling it for so low. When SFM sees the eventual unban, I'm going to sell the staples off for store credit. I'm absolutely convinced owning blue staples minus Snap is a joke and waste of money (Outside of those who genuinely love blue control).

    And no, this isn't some ultimatum of "I want twin back!"

    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on Jund
    Have you guys had any good results with Reids new Jund list?

    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 16/04/2018)
    Foodchain, I've started to come to the conclusion you have about modern.

    I have my foiled out Jund deck, and have no plans of selling it off, but I'm definitely done with fair decks that aren't the Rock variety.

    You have to play some form of aggro or linear combo or you're going to lose to worse decks or worse players, or sub-optimal lines.

    I was not doing hot with Jund, I was beginning to think it was just me, but it was interesting to see that Jund players in general just started doing poorly.

    I know it's weird to say---but is Jund just dead? Outside of the two month stretch, it's been dead for over a year and a half?

    I'm still shocked Shadow isn't around, I thought it'd be around for years to come.

    Modern is a linear format, and if you want to win, you really have to accept that fact. I'm not mad, angry or sad about that anymore, it just is what it is. At least a lot of the regulars here are being honest that it's viable, but a handicap. Talk about banning Cavern so blue can do well is foolish. The archetype in modern is fundamentally flawed and bad. It'll take years of the right printings to do something about it, or WOTC accidentally printing one or two cards to give it a major boost. If you cannot recognize this, you do not have any clue about what you're talking about nor do you understand this format. It's suggestions like this that are problems, and the people that say these things ARE the problem. I'm sorry me saying this will rub some people the wrong way.

    Too bad UR breach isn't that good, according to the talk here, it was my last attempt to try a blue deck before selling all the staples off (minus Snaps and Fetches).

    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 16/04/2018)
    Banning Cavern is silly. We shouldn't ban multiple cards (and expensive one's at that) so that an archetype MAY work.

    I do think Blue control decks are...not good, although viable. Playing fair in modern is silly. Better for your linear deck to fall apart than have to align with your opponent and hope you didn't draw the wrong half.

    I do think WOTC should just unban SFM, GSZ, Preordain and then probably Twin.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Shadow decks came back in full force with a Twin unban in the following months. It would honestly probably suppress combo decks to very low numbers, or they'd have to adjust to have a lot of interaction in the board.

    Obviously WOTC wouldn't blow their load in such a short time, but at this point modern has been able to self-regulate enough that not much worries me, except for something egregious like Dread Return.

    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 16/04/2018)
    Blue is viable, but it just doesn't seem worth it

    Honestly, I enjoy modern, but it is making me cynical. Outside of loving my GBx decks/staples, I think I'm done trying to play fair or reactive in modern. I'm definitely selling off a lot of my blue staples (minus snaps and tarns), because it's just a handicap.

    It's just flat out better to be aggressive in some form, either by aggro creatures or combo. Your deck naturally doing it's own thing is better than hoping for your answers to line up with your opponents threats.

    I look at the UWx topics on here, reddit and Facebook---and they all seem lost.

    Standard has a focus on midrange archetypes, and Legacy has tools to play fair (although pigeonholes you into blue).

    Blue has weak counters, spells that are too conditional, no true, fast threat, and having to contend with Vial and Caverns, along with ramp decks with poor answers to land destruction.

    Seriously, outside of playing for fun, you should play a proactive deck that only wants to disrupt enough to win. That's why Humans is working, and thats why Shadow decks dominated for all of 2017.

    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 16/04/2018)
    I actually do like Humans, as I think it really punishes linear decks that rely on one or two cards.

    Modern feels diverse, in that theres a ton of aggro and combo decks right now.

    I'm honestly willing to see GSZ, SFM and Preordain unbanned all in one go at this point, nothing has proven to be broken, except for Golgari-Troll, which wasn't a problem at the time of the unban, that was WOTC printing a broken enabler and broken payoff all within a set.

    It's interesting that shadow decks were very much affecting how good or bad lightning bolts were. I'm still very confused why Shadow decks have almost all but gone away---It was originally shrinking due to the fear of Jace bouncing Gurmags, and more UW decks, right? Does anyone have insight on this?

    It looks like Mardu has become the new Jund, one or two bad top-decks just seems devastating now. Faithless Looting is a powerful card in modern.

    I don't really even know what the meta is outside of Humans and Hollow One, it seems like those two decks and then a mishmash of everything else.

    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 16/04/2018)
    Quote from gkourou »
    Quote from thnkr »

    Personally, though, I think that control decks are already viable in the format, though underplayed.

    This is my view as well. This should silence all Twin advocates. I also think UWx Control are very biable decks, even better than Mono U Tron.
    I even believe there are Esper jace variations that haven't been tested properly yet. Hand disruption with JTMS is a very strong semi-compination.
    Mono U Tron maybe somewhat problematic now because of Damping Sphere also.

    Glad the two of you believe that, because results say otherwise.

    I'm literally holding onto my blue staples because of a hope SFM or Twin is unbanned. Blue decks don't have enough broad answers, and it's threats aren't great. People have been wanting a good Esper deck for years, not sure where you're really getting that from

    I do find it interesting how much Humans harmed the shadow archetype. With Jace underperforming and blue going back to normal meta shares, shadow still shrunk significantly.

    Maybe bypassing standard would be great, because as of now asking the questions is far, far better than answering them. Reactive decks are definitely viable in modern, and they can win a GP, but you really are just better off playing a proactive deck if you're a spike at heart.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on Jund
    Quote from Hype_rion »
    Guys, there is a new Jund video available by Reid Duke in which he lowered his curve and tried some new things. It is not listed on Youtube (don't ask me why) but here is the link:

    This will be good to check out while doing cardio.

    I'm interested to see if a new version of Jund needs to be tinkered with

    Whats up with us only playing 1x terminate though, shouldn't we just cut the 2nd pulse and play the 2nd terminate, too?

    I'm worried about Grim Flayer making graveyard hate even better against us. I don't know.

    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 16/04/2018)
    I don't like the idea of banning Wraith, that would possibly kill all variations of Shadow. Death Shadow, while powerful, helps fight linear decks.

    It's so strange, it's not really 1 card in particular in that deck, the way it operates is strange

    You have to worry about the 1/2 that looks awful on paper, reoccurring threats, a 5/5 and a 4/4. The only solid way of beating that deck is with Rest in Peace and Leyline of the Void, and then removal big enough for the big guys.

    It really makes playing fair silly, in my opinion. Even I'm having a hard time justifying playing something like Mardu, Abzan or Jund when I can just turn around and play this deck.

    I don't think this deck promotes fun gameplay, not usually. I feel like I'm either destroying my opponent in impossible situations to get out of, or my deck just falls apart and I can't do anything about it. The game just feels over when I drop a turn 1 Hollow One paired with either another Hollow one or even Bloodghast.

    Humans is a deck I like, even though it's results are fantastic, I think it's because it feels fruitless to play a slow, fair deck in modern that this is seeing such great results (although the deck is pretty damn good in general).

    Stoneforge mystic could be a pretty frustrating wall for Human players to deal with.

    Anyway, I'm sure Spiegel is spitting out the hyperbole---I just don't see how a reasonable person thinks Hollow One isn't a toxic deck.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 16/04/2018)
    I don't think Humans is the problem, I think it's RB Hollow One.

    I voiced my concern for this deck a few months ago, and I don't feel differently. I have the deck in paper and on mtgo and none of it feels healthy for a modern; it feels toxic at times. It's made me lose interest in Jund because the deck just hands me so many free wins in a color pie I enjoy.

    Let's see what happens though.

    I used to be opposed to GSZ, but after seeing Jace being so underwhelming I'm willing to give it a try. If Dig Through Time wasn't so worrisome to powering up linear combo decks, I'd probably be ok with that card, too.

    Modern isn't bad but I think the format should be observed.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on Jund
    Yeah, that looks reasonable. I'd probably turn that brutality into a decay though, and probably 1 push into a 2nd terminate.

    Don't like the sideboard

    With hollow one around I think 3x ooze seems right
    Posted in: Midrange
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