Finale of Devastation is basically a Chord of Calling. For one less G you lose Convoke and Instantspeed, that is very hard. On the other hand you got the x=10 text, that is imho more like a bonus AND you can optional tutor from the graveyard that is pretty good if you really need yout puzzle piece.
Like Chord is Devastation a card for a (nongreen)Toolbox/Combo Deck. For a classic Devotion Deck , Summoner's Pact and Primal Command are sligtly better.
Maybe with a heavy untap Deck (all sorts of Kiora cards) with Rosheen Meanderer and big load of X cards. After every new idea you can evaluate which Tutor is the best for your concept.
Rule Edit: I read very often Finale of Devastation in combination with Craterhoof Behemoth. I think the better choice in this case is Hornet Queen. Ok, X=10 the CMC doesn't matter, but 5 fliers with +10/+10 with haste and you didn't need other creatures for the Hoof effect is a good argument. With a second thought, the game is over if you can cast it. Edit: no matter which finisher you choose
I really like the toolbox style with the Finale and the Neoform together. Finally no color retrictions and with both in your deck you can play even cards you didn't got the lands.
The possibilities are overwhelming. Here a tip with Neoform: Skaab Ruinator. A flying 5/6 is not a joke and is something like a flying Tarmogoyf (and unbounceable from TitI because Skaab is a Horror) or any other Silberbullets or more common threats like Knight of the Reliquary.
With those Tutors you can playing Phyrexian Obliterator in a simic colored deck. It's an extreme example of course, but hopefully, it show how powerful those new cards are. Imho Rendroc is 100% right about the mega potential.
Green had some cards with "reveal the top card of your Library" in combination Tamiyo, Colllector of Tales and/or Nissa, Steward of Elements you can flood the board. Ok, these would be not fast enough to be T1, but i will brew a copy Deck with the new Tamiyo.
@Fulgence/Noname
Write a Mod-(team) about your account . Maybe in this forum is a thread for those cases.
the Wording for two creatures is more like "[..]up to 2 creatures" . The and/or means only you can search both graveyard and library.
@ForsakenGamers
A nice classic Devotion list. I prefer Primal Command for interaction/disruption. I'm running 6 tutor's (4x Pact , 2x Command)
The reason was mention here only 2 days ago
@Gruulmeharder: Couldn't agree more on the interaction part. We are slower than the best linear decks in modern, that means we have to pack some sort of interaction to buy us the extra time we need to set up.
Primal Command had pretty much exactly this purpose, buying us another turn against many decks in the format.
For myself i'm looking for simic coloured cards for this form of interaction.
Good Work with the Sideboard. That is a real nice Artifact Toolbox.
You got your Combo, but the most important Piece had only 2 Copys. +2 Karn, or at least 3 at minimum. With the white Splash an additional option is Glittering Wish.
Imho an Auto-Addin with W in Devotion is Knight of the Reliquary. Cheating in a Nykthos or a second one to get more Mana is really "finish the Game"
Did i make mistake at reading? With Karn's +1 you can oppponents Land Bomb every round (P/T will be 0) or +1 on himfelf did him to a 4/4. That's too absurd good.
The comparison with Fauna Shaman is a good one. Toolboxing isn't possible with the Arcbow. My first thoughts was a bit more like a repeatable Collected Company - more mana intensiv, but without the CMC3 restriction.
Kiora just doing a fine Job to untap Nykthos or enchanted Lands, but with her i would playing enough cards to draw cards or generate enough value.
The new Nissa is a good T&N card imo, but she didn't solve the problems. Imho, the ramp was never the problem, it needed the Namesake cards and disruption resilence to improve this deck.
Kiora is really something of interest. 1 Turn can be very important. Garruk does a 3/3 Beast untap 1 more and uh - the final is great, Kiora, Master of the Depths can dig the library and untap 1xLand AND 1x creature like the Arbor Elf.
But Modern is a fast format, 1 less Mana is big deal. More speed, or more flexibilty. Hard choice for me
Say someone digging the library? +1 Devotion, and as a artifact, there is no summon sickness. In the mid/lategame we can recycle Sprawl or other One Drops we didn't need anymore.
Or: "Oh, hi wilderness reclamation payoff..."
Edit: A bit to slow . And this card is really a strong one.
Paradoxical outcome is a very specific card, but could be a nice Fun build in a big mana deck. A Loop is possible.
Imho nobody had tried this card in Modern with success so far.
Hmm...and it's a Instant card. Maybe there is some Fun with Flash creatures and Wilderness Reclamation.
Current Modern Meta (http://mtgtop8.com) Aggro:
Red Deck Wins 11%
UR Aggro 9 %
Death's Shadow 7 % Control:
UrzaTron 5 % Combo:
Dredge 6 %
The Big five, are 38% of the Meta.
LifeGain and Removal are both good against Aggro. But i didn't see anything against Tron or Dredge - at least hard to tell what are you will be doing without a Sideboard
I haven't been brewed with genesis hydra in quite sometimes. But i remember you had some good lists with it.
a good List with Genesis Hydra ? My strongest build with the Genesis Hydra was brew around Freed from the Real. This Hydra can dig AND cast in the same time aura's and artifacts or any other nonland card. This is a very rare ability for green.
This Hydra had 1 Problem. Cast it with only 4 Mana, we can dig only 2 cards deep, cast it with 10 Mana, we get at least a big creature (without trample!) and get only 1 card. Ok, this one founded card can be a GameChanger/Win-Condition or to be whatever a good card. In my Eyes is the Hydra more a Support and Tool creature and not a threat.
Hydroid Krasis is the better card imo. The cast trigger is gold against control, because even with a counter this creature self-replaced itself. It can be a card advantage against other Midrange decks, against aggro even a 2/2 , 1 Life + 1 Card is not that bad in the early turns. The modes are not all that thrilling, but all together did that creature in nearly every stage a good Job.
The other part as a ramp deck. We need (mostly) no free cast effects, we almost have the mana to cast all the cards in our hand. In most cases we run out of Gas. I will using the Hydroid Krasis to finsih the Game the next 1-2 turns as a big threat with double evasion and at best with counter or protection with my extra draws.
At first sight both creature are similar, but at second look, both are very different.
Don't be sorry. I agree 100% with you. ;):)
After a bit goldfishing i detect a couple of problems. definitly and very clear the wrong track that i take. And i must think more about my most common mistake , I want to much. I write on my little sticky yellow note: "Less is more"
Talking about counters and *****ty ramp decks. "Magic Aid"(The Inventor of 5c Humans) just did a new Video yesterday .
MTG Modern Instant RAMP! w/ Growth Spiral & Sphinx of Foresight! – RNA Deck Tech & Gameplay! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlJfruwabSg (13 min. and 3 matches)
The right Video to the right time. I could see that i'm not alone with stupid ideas .
I'm working on some brews and one of them just did me make a headache. At the moment Wilderness Reclamation is running wild and get his big impact in Nexus Recalmation(Standard) and as Sultai Wilderness Teachings (Modern). The trick is here to react in the end phase on the Wilderness trigger to double your available mana pool. The downside, it must be a Instant or something with Flash. Alchemist's Refuge is doing here very funny and absurd stuff, but thats to much setup and insconsitence.
But it enable that i had mention as i begin here to brew around simic devotion and using counters. In short explanation: You can't play pro activ your boardstate and left your mana open for counters in the same time - now , you can do it.
Ooookay. Great i can play Flashy creatures and counters , so i can disrupt my opponent in a very versatile way. In addition there are morph creatures that can i using in the turn of my opponent with my untapped lands thanks to Wilderness Reclamation. Hadana's Climb is a win-condition on its own and benefit, too from the enchantment. Polukranos, World Eater is the only ManaSink with x that i can using in the EndStep with Wilderness.
That's a first scetch for a (hopefully)future brew: the manabase are only placeholder, the sideboard...is missing. Mention all what you like/hate and even complete new ideas are very welcome. especially how to abuse Wilderness Reclamation.
Wheel of Sun and Moon instead Rest in Peace. With the new Meta with Izzet Phoenix , to put all the opponent cards in the bottom on the library is much better if he really want to play Crackling Drake.
Con: The remaining cards in the graveyard aren't exiled.
Some other Pro: +2 devotion , ultimate protection against mill combos, The own graveyard is untouched, no color splash nedded
Thanks
Like Chord is Devastation a card for a (nongreen)Toolbox/Combo Deck. For a classic Devotion Deck , Summoner's Pact and Primal Command are sligtly better.
...until someone build something complete different.
Maybe with a heavy untap Deck (all sorts of Kiora cards) with Rosheen Meanderer and big load of X cards. After every new idea you can evaluate which Tutor is the best for your concept.
Hmmm.....56 hasty DEATHTOUCH BEES damage - Maybe
(Hornet Queen itself is a 2/2)
My point was, if you can cast a 12 ManaSorcery it doesn't matter if you cast Craterhoof or the Hornet Queen, but the Queen has far more style.
I read very often Finale of Devastation in combination with Craterhoof Behemoth. I think the better choice in this case is Hornet Queen. Ok, X=10 the CMC doesn't matter, but 5 fliers with +10/+10 with haste and you didn't need other creatures for the Hoof effect is a good argument. With a second thought, the game is over if you can cast it. Edit: no matter which finisher you chooseI really like the toolbox style with the Finale and the Neoform together. Finally no color retrictions and with both in your deck you can play even cards you didn't got the lands.
The possibilities are overwhelming. Here a tip with Neoform: Skaab Ruinator. A flying 5/6 is not a joke and is something like a flying Tarmogoyf (and unbounceable from TitI because Skaab is a Horror) or any other Silberbullets or more common threats like Knight of the Reliquary.
With those Tutors you can playing Phyrexian Obliterator in a simic colored deck. It's an extreme example of course, but hopefully, it show how powerful those new cards are. Imho Rendroc is 100% right about the mega potential.
Green had some cards with "reveal the top card of your Library" in combination Tamiyo, Colllector of Tales and/or Nissa, Steward of Elements you can flood the board. Ok, these would be not fast enough to be T1, but i will brew a copy Deck with the new Tamiyo.
@Fulgence/Noname
Write a Mod-(team) about your account . Maybe in this forum is a thread for those cases.
@ForsakenGamers
A nice classic Devotion list. I prefer Primal Command for interaction/disruption. I'm running 6 tutor's (4x Pact , 2x Command)
The reason was mention here only 2 days ago
For myself i'm looking for simic coloured cards for this form of interaction.
Source: https://www.hipstersofthecoast.com/2019/04/war-of-the-spark-early-modern-contenders/
You got your Combo, but the most important Piece had only 2 Copys. +2 Karn, or at least 3 at minimum. With the white Splash an additional option is Glittering Wish.
Imho an Auto-Addin with W in Devotion is Knight of the Reliquary. Cheating in a Nykthos or a second one to get more Mana is really "finish the Game"
Did i make mistake at reading? With Karn's +1 you can oppponents Land Bomb every round (P/T will be 0) or +1 on himfelf did him to a 4/4. That's too absurd good.
Kiora just doing a fine Job to untap Nykthos or enchanted Lands, but with her i would playing enough cards to draw cards or generate enough value.
The new Nissa is a good T&N card imo, but she didn't solve the problems. Imho, the ramp was never the problem, it needed the Namesake cards and disruption resilence to improve this deck.
Vivien, Champion of the Wilds itself is strong and bonkers with Wilderness Reclamation in a creature deck full of X in the CMC
But Modern is a fast format, 1 less Mana is big deal. More speed, or more flexibilty. Hard choice for me
Say someone digging the library? +1 Devotion, and as a artifact, there is no summon sickness. In the mid/lategame we can recycle Sprawl or other One Drops we didn't need anymore.
Or: "Oh, hi wilderness reclamation payoff..."
Edit: A bit to slow . And this card is really a strong one.
Imho nobody had tried this card in Modern with success so far.
Hmm...and it's a Instant card. Maybe there is some Fun with Flash creatures and Wilderness Reclamation.
i really like to see brew with your ideas
Current Modern Meta (http://mtgtop8.com)
Aggro:
Red Deck Wins 11%
UR Aggro 9 %
Death's Shadow 7 %
Control:
UrzaTron 5 %
Combo:
Dredge 6 %
The Big five, are 38% of the Meta.
LifeGain and Removal are both good against Aggro. But i didn't see anything against Tron or Dredge - at least hard to tell what are you will be doing without a Sideboard
a good List with Genesis Hydra ? My strongest build with the Genesis Hydra was brew around Freed from the Real. This Hydra can dig AND cast in the same time aura's and artifacts or any other nonland card. This is a very rare ability for green.
This Hydra had 1 Problem. Cast it with only 4 Mana, we can dig only 2 cards deep, cast it with 10 Mana, we get at least a big creature (without trample!) and get only 1 card. Ok, this one founded card can be a GameChanger/Win-Condition or to be whatever a good card. In my Eyes is the Hydra more a Support and Tool creature and not a threat.
Hydroid Krasis is the better card imo. The cast trigger is gold against control, because even with a counter this creature self-replaced itself. It can be a card advantage against other Midrange decks, against aggro even a 2/2 , 1 Life + 1 Card is not that bad in the early turns. The modes are not all that thrilling, but all together did that creature in nearly every stage a good Job.
The other part as a ramp deck. We need (mostly) no free cast effects, we almost have the mana to cast all the cards in our hand. In most cases we run out of Gas. I will using the Hydroid Krasis to finsih the Game the next 1-2 turns as a big threat with double evasion and at best with counter or protection with my extra draws.
At first sight both creature are similar, but at second look, both are very different.
After a bit goldfishing i detect a couple of problems. definitly and very clear the wrong track that i take. And i must think more about my most common mistake , I want to much. I write on my little sticky yellow note: "Less is more"
Talking about counters and *****ty ramp decks. "Magic Aid"(The Inventor of 5c Humans) just did a new Video yesterday .
MTG Modern Instant RAMP! w/ Growth Spiral & Sphinx of Foresight! – RNA Deck Tech & Gameplay!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlJfruwabSg (13 min. and 3 matches)
The right Video to the right time. I could see that i'm not alone with stupid ideas
But it enable that i had mention as i begin here to brew around simic devotion and using counters. In short explanation: You can't play pro activ your boardstate and left your mana open for counters in the same time - now , you can do it.
Ooookay. Great i can play Flashy creatures and counters , so i can disrupt my opponent in a very versatile way. In addition there are morph creatures that can i using in the turn of my opponent with my untapped lands thanks to Wilderness Reclamation. Hadana's Climb is a win-condition on its own and benefit, too from the enchantment. Polukranos, World Eater is the only ManaSink with x that i can using in the EndStep with Wilderness.
That's a first scetch for a (hopefully)future brew: the manabase are only placeholder, the sideboard...is missing. Mention all what you like/hate and even complete new ideas are very welcome. especially how to abuse Wilderness Reclamation.
9 Forest
9 Island
4 Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
//Spells
2 Condescend
1 Garruk Wildspeaker
2 Hadana's Climb
3 Kiora, Master of the Depths
4 Summoner's Pact
4 Utopia Sprawl
3 Wilderness Reclamation
4 Arbor Elf
2 Coiling Oracle
1 Craterhoof Behemoth
2 Deathmist Raptor
2 Den Protector
2 Frilled Mystic
1 Polukranos, World Eater
2 Stratus Dancer
3 Tireless Tracker
P.S.:
Maybe i'm on the complete wrong track . That happens often if you brew decks, but one day i will break modern
Wheel of Sun and Moon instead Rest in Peace. With the new Meta with Izzet Phoenix , to put all the opponent cards in the bottom on the library is much better if he really want to play Crackling Drake.
Con: The remaining cards in the graveyard aren't exiled.
Some other Pro: +2 devotion , ultimate protection against mill combos, The own graveyard is untouched, no color splash nedded