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  • posted a message on Grixis Death's Shadow
    Quote from Jonny_Tempel »
    So, how do you guys feel about Assassin's Trophy (that will most likely replace Decay in modern almost completely)?


    I don't think it necessarily replaces Abrupt Decay. Sure it destroys lands and 4+ cmc permanents, but Abrupt Decay can't be countered. Really feel that it'll be a meta call on which goes in BGx decks.

    EDIT: I think it could be similar to Push replacing Bolt for a short while, but now Bolt is very much back.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Grixis Death's Shadow
    Quote from Olorin85 »
    Thinking of getting into the deck, how is the matchup vs. Humans?


    Not great. It is winnable, but difficult. Humans (and UW/Jeskai Control) becoming big are really what pushed Grixis Death's Shadow down a bit. Our deck already struggles with go wide strategies, and Humans' added disruption makes it a bad matchup.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Grixis Death's Shadow
    Quote from SnapCommand »
    Also, why are traverse lists always on 8 discards and gds on 6. If it's because they are more all in on the kill quick plan, maybe we should consider doing the same now?


    My guess would be a combination of no access to Stubborn Denial, and (more importantly) discard grows Goyf but Grixis' second threat needs Thought Scour instead of the extra two Inquisitions.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Grixis Death's Shadow
    Thing in the Ice bouncing our own delve creature seems like bad times. Monastery Swiftspear and Delver don't really play well with Death's Shadow as they force you to play threat first and disruption second, while Death's Shadow (both the creature and the deck) wants the opposite.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Grixis Death's Shadow
    Quote from Jonny_Tempel »
    The second option would be going more all in for a quicker kill, maybe by adding more potential threats like Kiln Fiend for clunky and grindy cards. Does this make the Jeskai/Humans MU better? Probably yes, probably no.


    My only issue with adding Kiln Fiend is what do you cut for it? Cutting Angler/Tasigur seems bad since unlike Kiln Fiend they don't die to Bolt, which is seeing more play now due to Humans. Cutting instants/sorceries seems bad since you need them to pump Kiln Fiend. I guess you cut Street Wraith, but that also makes Death's Shadow smaller, which kind of goes against the making the deck faster plan.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Grixis Death's Shadow
    Quote from TheoryCraft »
    Does someone have a SB/SCD (single card discussion) guide on the use of Temur Battle Rage? I mean, I understand what the card does functionally, but what are the best and worst MU's to bring it in? I don't have enough playtime under my belt to have a definitive answer on this. And I do think there are some nuances to it as well. For example, if someone says "take it out for grindy MU's" while pointing to playing against Jund, I think the argument does not apply when playing against a deck such as Mardu Pyromancer, since while it is a very grindy deck, being able to punch through Young Pyromancer tokens and Lingering Souls is important. Are people keeping it in against combo decks to race them? I kept them in against Amulet Titan and have no idea if that was the "correct" call.



    Battle Rage is in the deck to allow you to trample over go wide decks and gives you a faster clock against non interactive decks with little to no removal. You usually side it out in grindy matchups like Jund because they tend to have plenty of removal and you'll often just offer up a 2 for 1 when they Push/Terminate/Path your threat with Battle Rage on the stack. Keeping them in against Amulet Titan was probably right since you need to kill them before they can one shot kill you with the Primeval Titan.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Grixis Death's Shadow
    We are already favored against Storm, and Disdainful Stroke and Ceremonious Rejection both seem better against Tron since both help in other matchups as well.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Grixis Death's Shadow
    Hello all,

    I was actually stopping by to post something I may have overlooked in previous discussion. Anger of the Gods is excellent, especially with dredge appearing more but it occurred to me running 18 lands has made that card extremely difficult against most matchups besides dredge(even dredge if they SB GQ). I think running Izzet in its place with Kozilek's or 1-2 Tendrils depending on mix is the way to go. I also thought I'd mention that echoing truth is performing very well for me. Hope everyone is winning! Please criticize, add on etc!


    I cut a Tarn instead of the second Blood Crypt to get to 18 lands and have little problems casting Anger. If you cut the extra Crypt and kept all 12 fetches to get to 18 then I would say don't run Anger. I don't see Dredge, but see too many decks where I want the extra damage in my sweeper to run K Return over Anger.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Blitzkrieg - B/R Control - Shock and Awesome

    Also, I'm weighing up Anger of the Gods versus Kozilek's Return. Kozilek seems to have the benefits of being single red and instant, but the extra damage and exile function of Anger is desirable. Anyone here have any thoughts?


    Anger is better if you're up against a lot of Dredge or GW decks that rely on Kitchen Finks and Voice of Resurgence. Kozilek's Return is way better against Affinity. If neither of those decks matter, it really comes down to if the one extra damage matters. Really meta dependent.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on Grixis Death's Shadow
    Quote from Ayiluss »
    I was thinking about adding TBR in the md (one copy, the other being in sb). Actually I've already done it but move it to the sb again. I think it's a good card that can help us against many different decks such as various swarm decks that can be tough matchups otherwise or just put up faster clock against combo and big mana decks. It's not as good as it is in 5 color shadow but I still think it's worth playing in md. The issue here however is that I don't know what to cut. When I first time tried it I cut 3rd Stubborn Denial but now I put in back in and moved TBR in sb. Depending on the expected metagame TBR might be even better than Stubborn Denial making 2/1 split of the two reasonable but in general I think I still want 3 copies of Stubborn Denial in md. Therefore I started wondering myself if cutting 1 Opt be other possible option. In this case I would play 3x Stubborn Denial, 1x TBR and 1x Opt but I'm note sure if this is good.

    Anyway I would like to hear others opinion on this. Does this sound reasonable or it's just stupid idea that I'm better to forget about right away?


    Right now I'm on two Battle Rage and the full four Stubborn Denial main. So far I'm liking it, but right now with work I haven't had a chance to play much so after testing that could change.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Grixis Death's Shadow
    Quote from Cedarconcepts »
    So my record against Abzan Midrange variants is something like 1-20. Lingering Souls gets me every darn time! I'm pretty sure I have enough answers to it, but I just cannot win. I'm starting to think I'm taking the wrong role in the match-up. Has anybody else had a similar experience? I'm also wondering how you approach the match-up. Do you shock yourself aggressively or do you try to play a slower game? Thanks all!


    Are you running Temur Battle Rage? If not give it a try, allows you to run over Lingering Souls.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Grixis Death's Shadow
    Quote from IamHANDSOME »
    Thanks for the answers guys Smile Coming from 1.5 it is quite hard to understand that Thought Scour is really that good. I mean you basically draw 1 card and put 2 cards you do not know and choose in your GY. I see the synergy but with Faithless Looting I could at least keep 2 cards instead of 1 and I can decide which cards I like to keep and which cards I discard. This is the advantage I see with Faithless Looting but I guess all it matters is Thought Scour being Instant speed and playing it at the end of the opponents turn.




    Not being to choose is not as relevant as you're making it out to be. You're a Snapcaster deck, so putting an instant or sorcery in the graveyard isn't that much different than putting it into your hand. You also have access to Kolaghan's Command and Liliana the Last Hope to get back creatures. Also if you delve properly Tasigur can potentially get back stuff you want. The only real problem is milling lands you need, which is just a risk you have to live with. Also a thing you need to consider is that this is a primarily black deck, with blue as the secondary color, and red as just a splash. You usually want the first mana producing land in play to be a Watery Grave. There are going to be many games you start with a one lander. If you're running Faithless Looting over Thought Scour then that one land fetches for what? If you fetch to Loot, then you have to decide if you want to not have black for your threats and disruption, or not have blue for the Serum Visions to dig for the second land.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Grixis Death's Shadow
    I feel like Delver would be a possibility if Gitaxian Probe hadn't been banned. Street Wraith being a creature instead of a instant/sorcery makes Delver too inconsistent to flip. As others have pointed out, even if Gitaxian Probe was legal and in Street Wraith's spot, Delver and Death's Shadow still wouldn't work too well together as the two decks have different play styles. Maybe you could try to squeeze in some Bolts in the removal spot for added reach if you're having problems with too little threats.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Grixis Death's Shadow
    Quote from ElCascador »
    Quote from Jonny_Tempel »

    And what is everyone's opinion about GY hate (Nihil spellbomb) in the current meta? Do you guys think it is still worth running?


    2 Nihil spellbomb in the SB is always 100% in. You need gy hate in modern, that's it.


    Not bringing them is just begging to see Dredge every round.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Grixis Death's Shadow
    There are two types of storm players. Those who try to go all in on the combo as aggressively as they can, and those who play storm like it's chess.


    This seems true for a lot of decks. I switched to this deck from Burn. Before I did I saw so many Death's Shadow opponents go too aggressive into dropping a large Death's Shadow allowing me to just burn them out. Conversely I've watched so many fellow Burn players go to fast at trying to "bolt face" in matches where they need to be the control deck. I kind of feel one of the best things we can is take advantage when we recognize our opponent (whether on Storm or anything else) is incapable of switching gears.
    Posted in: Midrange
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