Okay so i think the best way to do this is just to do a play by play of what seppel has done all game. I apologize that i will not be quoting nor hrmling posts as i am still posting from my phone.
#17 wall of rvs. Kinda normal rvs junk
#21 null. #22 suggests that we all massclsim because he is a power roll that confirms other power rolls. I have already gone into length about how suggesting such a thing d1 is scummy, but also it is still early enough to be considered rvs. I feel like this was intentional as to give a fallback.
#25 claims mafia rolecop. Again still early enough to be considered rvs so fallback. Done in a sarcastic way. Reads as deflective to those who would keep questioning d1 claiming. Also it has been pointed out that claiming scum as scum is a high level scum tactic.
#36 suggests chris claims at the back of the line. Reasons for this as town? I can think of none. As scum: either giving a scum buddy a longer chance to see what everyone else is claiming OR putting a town in that category in order to throw the rest of the town off.
#41 asks sir chris if his role makes sense with his own claim. Seppel had claimed scum rolecop... reason for a town to do this? I guess to get a feel for what category chris falls into, but as seppel is an experienced player, i really doubt thats what it is.
#46 in response to chris's "every role makes sense with role cop," inplies that he is nor actually a rolecop. So what was the point of asking #41 if he expected chris to think he wasnt a role cop?
#47 restates that he is a pr that interacts with other prs and that chris is a town rolecop and scarlet is vt. To be clear the only indication that scarlet might be vt at this point is she asks if her fpellow electric is VT. Scummy to me because he is continuing to push everyone into massclaiming despite the fact that no one has really even made a claim.
#49 in response to chris stating that sep only calls him town very early as scum.
Sep states that the only reason that work is when it is based off of behavior and not a claim. Classic deflection. It should also be noted that chris did not make a claim, and has stated so. For some reason sep thinks "a good guy version of you" means the same claim as seppel, except town. I dont seea town sep making this assumption and sticking with it. A scum trying to push a massclaim by moving everything forward is much more likely.
#51 i like this post. A lot. Recall in 49 sep deflected crhis's tell. Now makes a statement based on chris's actions and calls him town. Also states "unless you're a godly page 1 bluffer," ill let you all think on what this could mean.
#52 asks how post 37 is not a counterclaim. I have already said my opinion on the denseness of this assumption
#53 a correction in quoting in 52
#58 swears in response to chris stating that he only counterclaimed sepp claiming scum. Null?
#60 beats a dead horse asking how chris wasnt counterclaiming (as if the horse wasnt dead to begin with) and asks why chris didnt correct him. Chris didnt need to correct him. He was pushing a massclaim.
#61 calls into question scarlet stating that's unfortunate by asking if he is refering to the fact that iso claimed town. What is the point of asking this?
Refers back to chris stating that his arguement is stupid and nothing more can be gained from it. Deflection.
Refers to iso asking if his power is active or passive and thats all he needs to know. Why the back peddle from full claims? Why even expect that anyone would make a fullclaim in the first place? Why not put the whole claim sillyness aside especially since the whole thing was happening between 4 players, by his own admittance.
#68 null statement of game state
#69 null continuation
#77 iso 2's post. Only brought up as it is the first post to truly call into question the massclaim, however, he does not even put up a fight against it.
#78 nacho's "sepp's town" post. Lol random
I would like to ask nacho why he had this initial reaction at this point? Anywho...
#99 sep continues to push massclaim (i guess its inevitable at this point so i will stop pointing it out)
Bouns: offers to full claim after everyone soft claims, so dont bother voting seppel.
So this reads as scummy for 2 noteable reasons. 1 says not to vote him. Votes= suspicion no votes= no one will call into suspicion because "cmon guys i am going to claim anyways" 2 says will do something after evryone else does something. Not a very town way to go about imho. 3 a delay in claiming until after everyone gives info leads to "thats what i thought beacause..."
#101. Another post i absolutely love. States "you can search for mafia now." Not only is this an attempt to distance himself from suspicion, but it discounts all of the posts before as "everyone is town, now lets hunt some mafia"
#103 excitement about a scum tell on dc. Null?
#115 states scum team isnt iso, dc, chris.
An attempt to distance a sumbuddy from a scum list? Me thinks so.
Quotes iso ignoring votes until they are actually relavent. States that is one of his rules for being scum. This reads as him pointing the finger at iso after indirectly clearing him. Also this again refers to his own scum plays.
Challenges chris to come at him, again deflecting.
#121 states is eager to get his claim out of the way, but doesnt want to reval fully until eveyone has weighed in. States is surprised to see so many active powers.
#123 claim update
#124 states that 121 is him wanting to claim right away, but the best play is to not claim until everyone else does. Why wouldnt you want to do the best play as town?
#152 votes dc does not add anyhting "original" to the wagon. I will discuss the dc wagon later.
States that power is confirmable, but does not make him townie at all. If sepp is town, this doesnt make at all.
In regards to chris not liking nacho, says that he thinks that chris's point of dc's claim against me is poop makes chris townie. This is very important in the later shambly bus that builds against me.
Again states nacho is town in response to tammy voting nacho
Quotes tammy's confusing fecesitting post. I actually agree... huh?
#164 not sure who the question of both being scummy is directed at? Maybe chris? I dont know but i would like to know.
Double bonus: again states will fullclaim after evryone else soft claims
Asks for dc's opinion on people not on his wagon. Again more on dc's wagon later.
#166 states that chris as scun does exactly what town chris would do. Not sure what the point is here aside from diversion?
#181 responds to chris pointing out that sep had said scum chris is readable. Asks for a link on it.
Responds to hunger questioning why the scum team isnt as stated above by saying they were the first 3 to vote for him. What an odd thing to assune that the first 3 to vote are not scum. Especially when by own admittance above there were only 4 played ib the game. So very odd.
Votes chilly. Null.
#189 refers back to the above convo with chris having reread the game. Gives a vague reason as to why he thought he had that read. I beleive sep foes actually know what he saw in that game but doesnt want to say. Either because he doesnt want to say something that would cause people to think he thibks chris is town. OR he is scum and doesnt want to give us the information that would all but confirm chris is town.
But he found a new sig quote
Posts up until #209. Null
#209 claim update and a vote against iso 2 with bo reasoning.
#217 in response to chris caling out the vote changing, says oops, then says dc and necarg just played as scum and did the exact same play, cant lynch necarg even if dc flips scum. Also states hunger is town.
#221 in reaponse to my not claiming, attenpts to push me into claiming
Then calls into question my missuse of massclaim vs fullclaim
States that his ability specifically hints at there being other PR in the game.
States that would rather lock people into a tight lie early game to prevent larger lies late game. Would be good logic except that everyone is probably lying in d1 massclaim.
States that some games would be broken by d1 claim. BUT doesnt expect it to happen this game. So the result is everyone is lying and is locked into a lie? Except for the few people who maybe told the truth? I am going to bring this point up in another post.
#222 states that misslynches would probably happen in midgame for "too much power" unless we locked in claims now.
#230 claim update
#234 confirms that double voters are all but confirmed town. Null.
Sorry this is taking a heck of a lot linger than i thought. I will take a break and continue later today.
Thats fine you can go ahead and wait on a claim that isnt coming because i already did my soft claim. You stated you were fine with claiming without me claiming and just lynching me. Now you are waiting for me to claim before you claim?
No sir. I do not think i will claim before the scum who started this claiming bs and then said was going to do a full claim ans then decides to wait since there is a bus rolling. You are scum and i will make my arguement for it forthcoming with or without your so called full claim after everyone else has made a claim.
I am really sorry guys but my phone is dying. I will post in a bit when i can either recgharge or get to a computer.
A recent family emergency has prevented me from doing a reread, apologies. But for now i have a lot to respond to, so I gues it will have to wait a bit longer.
Lets start with: [snip]
Ahhhh sepp IS voting me. And chilly is confrimed double vote? Now for meta as to whether or not this makes him town... the only arguement i could make for it being a scum ability is if the town was all super powered.... which probably doesnt make sense in a mini.
Counter thought to a double vote is a hidden voter. But i am the only one not voting... vote seppel
Just so we can clear that up.
And so as chilly is the only person who is voting me (omg lol wtf) i am realizing i have a lot less to answer than i thought. I am down for sep claiming regardless of whay happens from this result so, sure
@sep: I am active.
Now it's yourn turn.
Okay so here is a history lesson for those of you who dont know it (basically everyone except for a few)
I started in these forums way way back when i first started school. I had always used the site to look at the latest and greatest spoilers, but then eventually looked into the forums and saw all the fun i could have. I played MTG RPG in The coloseum forum.i tried my hand at a few pen and paper games that really just never took off. I tried playing a bit of other rpg . I also found the forum games section (which mafia used to be a subforum of...) i played the quick reply games and eventually headed over to mafia and signed up for a few games. I had aome stuff going on and got replaced in a few of my game, but the most memorable to me right now are southpark mafaia and left 4 dead mafia. These 2 games are really what caused me to start with my disclaimer. I was town in southpark mafia, i was actually satan. Which everyone assumed was mafia by meta. Then everyone realized satan was actually townish in the show. Then everyone thought i used satan as a "safe mafia claim." Anwyays we ended up ousting my lover who was sadam. I was suicidal and died as a result of his lynch. Looking back i guess it wasnt a bad death. But still left a bad d1 taste in my mouth since i was put in a l-2 position all based on something i did or said i believe even then in the RVS. Left 4 dead I was town roleblocker. I dont recall what happened but i ended up having to claim and claimed truthfully as a foolish noob that i was roleblocker. They decided roleblocker was a mafia ability and boom goes the lynching wagon. There was also another game where I was mafia, it had something to do with gods or some such, i dont recall that game so well, except that my mafia partner ousted himself in a gambit that actually got us pretty far towards victory.
Why is all of this important? Maybe it isnt to you, and claiming i hate d1 is enough to place traction down on me.
More to come.
A recent family emergency has prevented me from doing a reread, apologies. But for now i have a lot to respond to, so I gues it will have to wait a bit longer.
Lets start with:
Top three scum reads are Id Ego, Seppel and Scarlet/Wheat. Id's actually the strongest read of the three because of the crocodile faces, but the Seppel wagon is good too.
Vote: Seppel
This is the reason for me being hesitant about whether or not it was brackets still. I wasnt sure if it was actually brackets or if there was just an error in the way dc posted. More to follow.
DC can you explain where lots of opinion has been given about the d1 claim is? I am not saying it isnt there but i am saying i didnt see it.
As for sep, you expecting me to claim is not enough for me to claim. I am waiting for your massclaim though.
As for chilly, my read is nuetral. Either he is really new and town or reaally new and scum. The points that i read in his post did seem somewhat scummy, but that could come from a newbie town just as easilly as a noob scum. End result= nuetral but igmeoy.
Ebwodp. Oh yes i meant to adrezz the bold thing. I am posting from my phone so i dont have the quickkey options as i would normally. So i typed it in manually, which i thought was "crocodiles" but have sinced realized it is brackets. I think. test
Okay i kinda sped read the last few pages because i just wanted to be done with it all sonce this is the third time trying to read them today...
I would just like to point out a few things here. 1 as far as i recall masscaliming is jot generally a good thing on day 1 as it gives the scum more info than the7 initally had. Which is more than the town has. Ia this no longer true/ changed because of night 0? (Side note is it ever appropriate to use the term "mafia?" Was never clear on this)
Second why does sep call for a massclaim within a wall of text during the rvs? And why do we all just accept this as legitimate and accept and claim? For those of you you confused about why i am asking this, ibid.
Third. My stance on day one (and 2 for that matter) is that we are all just randomly pointibg fingers at people hopibg they will slip up, all while hoping no one points the finger at us hard enough to get lynched d1. D2 is much the same except we now have two confirmed (because they are dead) alligences. I feel that much of the logical and in my opinion fun debate runs from d3 on. So yes. I hate d1. I have and probably always will hate d1. I said it in my first post because that is exactly what i intend to do in every mafia game until it stops being true. You all havent played with me, with the exception of possibly iso, sep, and dc, so you dont know the history to go with it, so to you it probably does seem like a tell or what not. But its just a nuetral statement from me. You want to lynch me for it? Fine. I will still hate d1.
I am slightly confused about why if dc 3 flips scum i am more scummy given that i have had one post before now, but maybe a reread will shed some light on it.
I am against a massclaim for reasons stated above. I also think sep is scummy for suggesting it, but as i am still newbish to mafia and outdated at that, i would like to hear some opinions.
Also, the fact that the gambit is high risk, low reward is not convincing to me to have sep be considered town. How low is the reward really, when sep saying that is what some of the "town reads" on sep are steming from? So far i agree that sep is atleast not acting in the best interest of the town.
#17 wall of rvs. Kinda normal rvs junk
#21 null. #22 suggests that we all massclsim because he is a power roll that confirms other power rolls. I have already gone into length about how suggesting such a thing d1 is scummy, but also it is still early enough to be considered rvs. I feel like this was intentional as to give a fallback.
#25 claims mafia rolecop. Again still early enough to be considered rvs so fallback. Done in a sarcastic way. Reads as deflective to those who would keep questioning d1 claiming. Also it has been pointed out that claiming scum as scum is a high level scum tactic.
#36 suggests chris claims at the back of the line. Reasons for this as town? I can think of none. As scum: either giving a scum buddy a longer chance to see what everyone else is claiming OR putting a town in that category in order to throw the rest of the town off.
#41 asks sir chris if his role makes sense with his own claim. Seppel had claimed scum rolecop... reason for a town to do this? I guess to get a feel for what category chris falls into, but as seppel is an experienced player, i really doubt thats what it is.
#46 in response to chris's "every role makes sense with role cop," inplies that he is nor actually a rolecop. So what was the point of asking #41 if he expected chris to think he wasnt a role cop?
#47 restates that he is a pr that interacts with other prs and that chris is a town rolecop and scarlet is vt. To be clear the only indication that scarlet might be vt at this point is she asks if her fpellow electric is VT. Scummy to me because he is continuing to push everyone into massclaiming despite the fact that no one has really even made a claim.
#49 in response to chris stating that sep only calls him town very early as scum.
Sep states that the only reason that work is when it is based off of behavior and not a claim. Classic deflection. It should also be noted that chris did not make a claim, and has stated so. For some reason sep thinks "a good guy version of you" means the same claim as seppel, except town. I dont seea town sep making this assumption and sticking with it. A scum trying to push a massclaim by moving everything forward is much more likely.
#51 i like this post. A lot. Recall in 49 sep deflected crhis's tell. Now makes a statement based on chris's actions and calls him town. Also states "unless you're a godly page 1 bluffer," ill let you all think on what this could mean.
#52 asks how post 37 is not a counterclaim. I have already said my opinion on the denseness of this assumption
#53 a correction in quoting in 52
#58 swears in response to chris stating that he only counterclaimed sepp claiming scum. Null?
#60 beats a dead horse asking how chris wasnt counterclaiming (as if the horse wasnt dead to begin with) and asks why chris didnt correct him. Chris didnt need to correct him. He was pushing a massclaim.
#61 calls into question scarlet stating that's unfortunate by asking if he is refering to the fact that iso claimed town. What is the point of asking this?
Refers back to chris stating that his arguement is stupid and nothing more can be gained from it. Deflection.
Refers to iso asking if his power is active or passive and thats all he needs to know. Why the back peddle from full claims? Why even expect that anyone would make a fullclaim in the first place? Why not put the whole claim sillyness aside especially since the whole thing was happening between 4 players, by his own admittance.
#68 null statement of game state
#69 null continuation
#77 iso 2's post. Only brought up as it is the first post to truly call into question the massclaim, however, he does not even put up a fight against it.
#78 nacho's "sepp's town" post. Lol random
I would like to ask nacho why he had this initial reaction at this point? Anywho...
#99 sep continues to push massclaim (i guess its inevitable at this point so i will stop pointing it out)
Bouns: offers to full claim after everyone soft claims, so dont bother voting seppel.
So this reads as scummy for 2 noteable reasons. 1 says not to vote him. Votes= suspicion no votes= no one will call into suspicion because "cmon guys i am going to claim anyways" 2 says will do something after evryone else does something. Not a very town way to go about imho. 3 a delay in claiming until after everyone gives info leads to "thats what i thought beacause..."
#101. Another post i absolutely love. States "you can search for mafia now." Not only is this an attempt to distance himself from suspicion, but it discounts all of the posts before as "everyone is town, now lets hunt some mafia"
#103 excitement about a scum tell on dc. Null?
#115 states scum team isnt iso, dc, chris.
An attempt to distance a sumbuddy from a scum list? Me thinks so.
Quotes iso ignoring votes until they are actually relavent. States that is one of his rules for being scum. This reads as him pointing the finger at iso after indirectly clearing him. Also this again refers to his own scum plays.
Challenges chris to come at him, again deflecting.
#121 states is eager to get his claim out of the way, but doesnt want to reval fully until eveyone has weighed in. States is surprised to see so many active powers.
#123 claim update
#124 states that 121 is him wanting to claim right away, but the best play is to not claim until everyone else does. Why wouldnt you want to do the best play as town?
#152 votes dc does not add anyhting "original" to the wagon. I will discuss the dc wagon later.
States that power is confirmable, but does not make him townie at all. If sepp is town, this doesnt make at all.
In regards to chris not liking nacho, says that he thinks that chris's point of dc's claim against me is poop makes chris townie. This is very important in the later shambly bus that builds against me.
Again states nacho is town in response to tammy voting nacho
Quotes tammy's confusing fecesitting post. I actually agree... huh?
#164 not sure who the question of both being scummy is directed at? Maybe chris? I dont know but i would like to know.
Double bonus: again states will fullclaim after evryone else soft claims
Asks for dc's opinion on people not on his wagon. Again more on dc's wagon later.
#166 states that chris as scun does exactly what town chris would do. Not sure what the point is here aside from diversion?
#181 responds to chris pointing out that sep had said scum chris is readable. Asks for a link on it.
Responds to hunger questioning why the scum team isnt as stated above by saying they were the first 3 to vote for him. What an odd thing to assune that the first 3 to vote are not scum. Especially when by own admittance above there were only 4 played ib the game. So very odd.
Votes chilly. Null.
#189 refers back to the above convo with chris having reread the game. Gives a vague reason as to why he thought he had that read. I beleive sep foes actually know what he saw in that game but doesnt want to say. Either because he doesnt want to say something that would cause people to think he thibks chris is town. OR he is scum and doesnt want to give us the information that would all but confirm chris is town.
But he found a new sig quote
Posts up until #209. Null
#209 claim update and a vote against iso 2 with bo reasoning.
#217 in response to chris caling out the vote changing, says oops, then says dc and necarg just played as scum and did the exact same play, cant lynch necarg even if dc flips scum. Also states hunger is town.
#221 in reaponse to my not claiming, attenpts to push me into claiming
Then calls into question my missuse of massclaim vs fullclaim
States that his ability specifically hints at there being other PR in the game.
States that would rather lock people into a tight lie early game to prevent larger lies late game. Would be good logic except that everyone is probably lying in d1 massclaim.
States that some games would be broken by d1 claim. BUT doesnt expect it to happen this game. So the result is everyone is lying and is locked into a lie? Except for the few people who maybe told the truth? I am going to bring this point up in another post.
#222 states that misslynches would probably happen in midgame for "too much power" unless we locked in claims now.
#230 claim update
#234 confirms that double voters are all but confirmed town. Null.
Sorry this is taking a heck of a lot linger than i thought. I will take a break and continue later today.
No sir. I do not think i will claim before the scum who started this claiming bs and then said was going to do a full claim ans then decides to wait since there is a bus rolling. You are scum and i will make my arguement for it forthcoming with or without your so called full claim after everyone else has made a claim.
I am really sorry guys but my phone is dying. I will post in a bit when i can either recgharge or get to a computer.
Becasue i am posting from my phone and its hard to quote someone and keep reading without accidentally closing a window.
Counter thought to a double vote is a hidden voter. But i am the only one not voting...
vote seppel
Just so we can clear that up.
@sep: I am active.
Now it's yourn turn.
I started in these forums way way back when i first started school. I had always used the site to look at the latest and greatest spoilers, but then eventually looked into the forums and saw all the fun i could have. I played MTG RPG in The coloseum forum.i tried my hand at a few pen and paper games that really just never took off. I tried playing a bit of other rpg . I also found the forum games section (which mafia used to be a subforum of...) i played the quick reply games and eventually headed over to mafia and signed up for a few games. I had aome stuff going on and got replaced in a few of my game, but the most memorable to me right now are southpark mafaia and left 4 dead mafia. These 2 games are really what caused me to start with my disclaimer. I was town in southpark mafia, i was actually satan. Which everyone assumed was mafia by meta. Then everyone realized satan was actually townish in the show. Then everyone thought i used satan as a "safe mafia claim." Anwyays we ended up ousting my lover who was sadam. I was suicidal and died as a result of his lynch. Looking back i guess it wasnt a bad death. But still left a bad d1 taste in my mouth since i was put in a l-2 position all based on something i did or said i believe even then in the RVS. Left 4 dead I was town roleblocker. I dont recall what happened but i ended up having to claim and claimed truthfully as a foolish noob that i was roleblocker. They decided roleblocker was a mafia ability and boom goes the lynching wagon. There was also another game where I was mafia, it had something to do with gods or some such, i dont recall that game so well, except that my mafia partner ousted himself in a gambit that actually got us pretty far towards victory.
Why is all of this important? Maybe it isnt to you, and claiming i hate d1 is enough to place traction down on me.
More to come.
What limited time frame?
Lets start with:
This is the reason for me being hesitant about whether or not it was brackets still. I wasnt sure if it was actually brackets or if there was just an error in the way dc posted. More to follow.
As for sep, you expecting me to claim is not enough for me to claim. I am waiting for your massclaim though.
As for chilly, my read is nuetral. Either he is really new and town or reaally new and scum. The points that i read in his post did seem somewhat scummy, but that could come from a newbie town just as easilly as a noob scum. End result= nuetral but igmeoy.
Reread tomorrow.
I would just like to point out a few things here. 1 as far as i recall masscaliming is jot generally a good thing on day 1 as it gives the scum more info than the7 initally had. Which is more than the town has. Ia this no longer true/ changed because of night 0? (Side note is it ever appropriate to use the term "mafia?" Was never clear on this)
Second why does sep call for a massclaim within a wall of text during the rvs? And why do we all just accept this as legitimate and accept and claim? For those of you you confused about why i am asking this, ibid.
Third. My stance on day one (and 2 for that matter) is that we are all just randomly pointibg fingers at people hopibg they will slip up, all while hoping no one points the finger at us hard enough to get lynched d1. D2 is much the same except we now have two confirmed (because they are dead) alligences. I feel that much of the logical and in my opinion fun debate runs from d3 on. So yes. I hate d1. I have and probably always will hate d1. I said it in my first post because that is exactly what i intend to do in every mafia game until it stops being true. You all havent played with me, with the exception of possibly iso, sep, and dc, so you dont know the history to go with it, so to you it probably does seem like a tell or what not. But its just a nuetral statement from me. You want to lynch me for it? Fine. I will still hate d1.
I am slightly confused about why if dc 3 flips scum i am more scummy given that i have had one post before now, but maybe a reread will shed some light on it.
I am against a massclaim for reasons stated above. I also think sep is scummy for suggesting it, but as i am still newbish to mafia and outdated at that, i would like to hear some opinions.
Also, the fact that the gambit is high risk, low reward is not convincing to me to have sep be considered town. How low is the reward really, when sep saying that is what some of the "town reads" on sep are steming from? So far i agree that sep is atleast not acting in the best interest of the town.