Frankly, there wasn't much you could have said, but you missed the big one- that being you weren't 100% sure of his alignment at the time. You didn't say that, however, which leads me to further believe Shaniqua's questioning your certainty of alignment was staged by him so that you had an "out" if one of you ended up dead.
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Misrepresentation again. No, that is NOT AT ALL what I said. What I said was that FOSing your "mason partner" makes no sense. I wanted to know why you did it, and had you said "because I wasn't 100% sure of his alignment" that would have made sense and matched up with your later prodded explanation to Shaniqua. Instead, you said it was this:
If you don't want me to "Misreperesent" your comments, then state them more clearly. Your first statement up there is easily misinterpreted by people reading it, and I had taken it to mean that you didn't think that I should have been defending Jville when I wasn't 100% sure of his alignment.(to be honest, the reason that I didn't say this was that I really hadn't considered the possibility of my mason partner being scum. It just didn't occur to me until Shaniqua brought it up. I still don't find it very likely.)
Unvote, by the way.(and would someone else mind giving a few comments. not much seems to happen when it is just me and godfather bickering with each other)
The fact you avoided answering this question in the first place is also very telling.
Vote: Person
I'm very sorry for not responding to every single point you bring up against me. How many little snippets of text were quoted between the two posts I had there? I count 36.
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Frankly, there wasn't much you could have said, but you missed the big one- that being you weren't 100% sure of his alignment at the time. You didn't say that, however, which leads me to further believe Shaniqua's questioning your certainty of alignment was staged by him so that you had an "out" if one of you ended up dead.
So your saying that trying to defend a mason partner is not a good idea if I'm not 100% sure of his alignment?
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which leads me to further believe Shaniqua's questioning your certainty of alignment was staged by him so that you had an "out" if one of you ended up dead.
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One other thing, tho: Person & John - do your PMs guarantee that your mason-buddy is town?
Has it not occurred to you that scum might want to sow suspicion between mason partners? There are reasons that he might of said that on both sides, and your theory seems to be a conspiracy theory almost.
Interestingly, that quote does would seem to say that Jville and I are most likely either both town or both scum. If we were both scum, then your theory would be plausible, but if we were both town, it would make sense as he would want to sow distrust between us.
It wouldn't make sense for scum to say that if one of us is town and the other scum, as if that were true and the townie were lynched, then the scum wouldn't want any questioning that the scum partner was town, and if the scum was lynched, they would want to see the townie partner lynched the next day.
Well, I declare Ice Serpent officially stupid. It's also possible he is just new, but if there was ever a time not to use an OMGUS vote, it was right then.
I was perfectly happy to let him off thinking he had just made a couple mistakes, but he is now starting to look pretty bad. With that last post he was clearly just trying to direct suspicion away from himself, and he even tried to make the person look bad by taking a joke out of context of all things.
Johnsonville also made a slightly scummy move, but after that blatant OMGUS of Ice Serpent, I am going to go with a FoS: Johnsonville
and a Vote: Ice Serpent.
Um, do you not see that that was trying to deflect criticism from him? I acknowledged that a case could be made against him, but tried to keep focus directed on Ice_Serpent. I tried to remove criticism from Johnsonville, not by combating it, but rather by skipping over it quickly.
It was a way for me to remove criticism for my mason parter, yes without drawing any great amount of attention between us, but would you try and defend someone by shouting "I don't think this guy is scum, but I don't have any real proof, just take my work for it and go lynch that other guy!"?
How you guys missed this is beyond me. Look, I know hindsight is 20/20, but you had to consider the ramifications of UM coming out and lying about Shaniqua. If the latter gets lynched and comes up town, it's an auto-death for him the next day. Not doccing him was bad enough, vigging him was flat awful.
Um? I actually do not think vigging UM was the worst thing to do there. Squiggle took a side and acted upon it. Claiming Cop is not a bad gambit, especially when a counterclaim is unlikely, as 1for1ing (which is really 1for3) is perfectly good for scum.
Now if I were to say who from the vanillas I think are most likely scum it would be in order of most scummy:
godfather
Pineapple
Azwolg
I find godfather scummy, a little for flavor reasons, but more that his last few posts have seemed to be based of fuzzy logic and sometimes not making any sense at all.
I really don't think either of my partners are scum. My feelings about JVille have fallen down to about 80% town, while my feelings for Buttercup is about 70% town.
Then with a throw-away tries to push the no lynch plan (which I proposed at the start of the day) again after I had retracted my intial support for it based on an oversight in the night two kills, and in a position where we might be facing a loss with it. We have no informational roles left to rely on, and there's talk of a mafia RBer. What exactly does this gain us? Absolutely nothing.
How can you now say this gains us nothing after being brining up the benefits it does bring us before?
Having one less person to vote for is a benefit at this point. How could it give us a loss?
I can't see the scum having more than 1 extra kill, which means either they had 1-extra shot or we have squigglevig, either way, the scum don't get more than 1 kill.
The best case is for Squiggle to take a shot, in which case
1. He isn't going to choose himself, so he has a better chance of hitting than we do today
2. If he misses, there is the chance that he hit the same person as the scum did, in which case we get another chance.
Even if squiggle gets roleblocked, then we have a better chance of hitting tomorrow than we do today.
@godfather:every other person has at least some background though. You just have "graphic designer on vacation". You must have at least a bit more detail than that.
I think that Squiggle is pretty much scum. Buttercup has it right on.
I can't think of any decent reason you would take out the accuser of someone who you KNOW is scum, at least when the are accusing that person based on info from outside of discussion. I have to say I think Squiggle is scum, and most likely SSD is too(but I am not quite as sure on SSD).
Vote: Squigglethemagicalbunny
One thing is that in the case of a mass-claim, I think it becomes clear as to who needs to be prodded, and so that can happen instead of deadlines.
I would like to see some explanation of Pinapple's vote on me. It kind of gives the impression of just trying to get us to discuss, but at this point in the game, a vote without any explanation at all seems kind of out of place.
I can't think of a time I have ever actually given a no-lynch vote before, but I do think it is most likely the correct thing to do.
Numerically, assuming four scum, we cannot miss again this game. Assuming only three scum, we cannot miss more than one more time. With four scum, we would be able to no-lynch once without losing; with three scum we can miss and no-lynch once each without losing.
I think that the slight numerical advantage and slight informational advantage is worth the risk that it would give the scum the possibility controlling the vote. (I also do not believe we have a SK, but if we did, it would almost certainly mean that there are only 3 scum, as I couldn't see this game having 4 scum and a SK)
If I missed something, please point it out, but for now
I am going to vote: no-lynch
The problem is: the mafia can just wait out the deadline without or with minimal posting and we will have no leads to go on.
This means we don't have much ability to gain no leads, and puts us in the situation of either going off something we already have or not make a lynch, none of which are good choices.
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If you don't want me to "Misreperesent" your comments, then state them more clearly. Your first statement up there is easily misinterpreted by people reading it, and I had taken it to mean that you didn't think that I should have been defending Jville when I wasn't 100% sure of his alignment.(to be honest, the reason that I didn't say this was that I really hadn't considered the possibility of my mason partner being scum. It just didn't occur to me until Shaniqua brought it up. I still don't find it very likely.)
Unvote, by the way.(and would someone else mind giving a few comments. not much seems to happen when it is just me and godfather bickering with each other)
I'm very sorry for not responding to every single point you bring up against me. How many little snippets of text were quoted between the two posts I had there? I count 36.
So your saying that trying to defend a mason partner is not a good idea if I'm not 100% sure of his alignment?
Has it not occurred to you that scum might want to sow suspicion between mason partners? There are reasons that he might of said that on both sides, and your theory seems to be a conspiracy theory almost.
Interestingly, that quote does would seem to say that Jville and I are most likely either both town or both scum. If we were both scum, then your theory would be plausible, but if we were both town, it would make sense as he would want to sow distrust between us.
It wouldn't make sense for scum to say that if one of us is town and the other scum, as if that were true and the townie were lynched, then the scum wouldn't want any questioning that the scum partner was town, and if the scum was lynched, they would want to see the townie partner lynched the next day.
Um, do you not see that that was trying to deflect criticism from him? I acknowledged that a case could be made against him, but tried to keep focus directed on Ice_Serpent. I tried to remove criticism from Johnsonville, not by combating it, but rather by skipping over it quickly.
It was a way for me to remove criticism for my mason parter, yes without drawing any great amount of attention between us, but would you try and defend someone by shouting "I don't think this guy is scum, but I don't have any real proof, just take my work for it and go lynch that other guy!"?
Um? I actually do not think vigging UM was the worst thing to do there. Squiggle took a side and acted upon it. Claiming Cop is not a bad gambit, especially when a counterclaim is unlikely, as 1for1ing (which is really 1for3) is perfectly good for scum.
Now if I were to say who from the vanillas I think are most likely scum it would be in order of most scummy:
godfather
Pineapple
Azwolg
I find godfather scummy, a little for flavor reasons, but more that his last few posts have seemed to be based of fuzzy logic and sometimes not making any sense at all.
I really don't think either of my partners are scum. My feelings about JVille have fallen down to about 80% town, while my feelings for Buttercup is about 70% town.
How can you now say this gains us nothing after being brining up the benefits it does bring us before?
Having one less person to vote for is a benefit at this point. How could it give us a loss?
I can't see the scum having more than 1 extra kill, which means either they had 1-extra shot or we have squigglevig, either way, the scum don't get more than 1 kill.
The best case is for Squiggle to take a shot, in which case
1. He isn't going to choose himself, so he has a better chance of hitting than we do today
2. If he misses, there is the chance that he hit the same person as the scum did, in which case we get another chance.
Even if squiggle gets roleblocked, then we have a better chance of hitting tomorrow than we do today.
@godfather:every other person has at least some background though. You just have "graphic designer on vacation". You must have at least a bit more detail than that.
I can't think of any decent reason you would take out the accuser of someone who you KNOW is scum, at least when the are accusing that person based on info from outside of discussion. I have to say I think Squiggle is scum, and most likely SSD is too(but I am not quite as sure on SSD).
Vote: Squigglethemagicalbunny
I am a 32 year old male bank manager currently on vacation. I married JVille 7 years ago(and what a mistake that was).
A bit over half a year ago I met ______ and started having an affair a few months back(as specific as I was told).
I would like to see some explanation of Pinapple's vote on me. It kind of gives the impression of just trying to get us to discuss, but at this point in the game, a vote without any explanation at all seems kind of out of place.
Numerically, assuming four scum, we cannot miss again this game. Assuming only three scum, we cannot miss more than one more time. With four scum, we would be able to no-lynch once without losing; with three scum we can miss and no-lynch once each without losing.
I think that the slight numerical advantage and slight informational advantage is worth the risk that it would give the scum the possibility controlling the vote. (I also do not believe we have a SK, but if we did, it would almost certainly mean that there are only 3 scum, as I couldn't see this game having 4 scum and a SK)
If I missed something, please point it out, but for now
I am going to vote: no-lynch
Shaniqua does have a somewhat conformable role.
The issue is still(if not even more so) what was the scum doing(or rather not doing) last night.
The other thing I want to know(that hasn't yet been brought up) is why UM waited until now to say this.
I think I am going to vote Shaniqua.
I think the issue is, if she is the vig, what were the scum doing last night?
Just a little conspiracy theory:
There isn't actually a scum we can kill, it's really the hotel staff who did the murder, then put the blame on us.
Did I not mention this had been going on for several months. It was more of a wink and a slip of paper than a "knock on the door"
And for future reference, "the guy I think is scum thinks I'm town" is not the greatest defense.
This means we don't have much ability to gain no leads, and puts us in the situation of either going off something we already have or not make a lynch, none of which are good choices.