And I wouldn't call the trivia all that random. It shows that you have a motive for the killing of Mr. Blue.
I don't buy this. Look at the first post and the flavor of the game set up. Mr. Blue is described as "...starting to build a corporate empire, amassing several firms underneath him as Blue Incorporated."
Mr. Blue didn't have just one business to focus his efforts on. He had multiple interests. I think's it a reach to assume that some entry level schmuck would go after a CEO for being laid off. The Human Resource Manager is more likely to be responsible for such things, not the CEO.
Just an example...Does Bill Gates do all the firing of his employees? Highly unlikely. I'm sure he has a hand in some high level managment firings. But if the mail clerk is caught Xerox'ing his ass on company time, Bill isn't making a special trip to Racho Cucamunga to give him the pink slip. That's what he has minions for.
I went through Shaniqua's personal papers.
He is not 30, he's 57.
He is not an up-and-coming hotshot in Mr. Blue's company. In fact, he was laid off not long ago.
Woohoo...using more color boldyness. Between the two colors, it seems as if UM is implying he has two different roles. With the blue bold UM implies he's a watcher. With the green bold, UM implies he's an investigative role. I'm not asking for a confirmation on either, but just pointing out that UM's reasons for pushing Shaniqua's wagon don't stay consistant.
If he was a watcher, he'd have no reason to claim that he "went through Shaiqua's personal papers." Wouldn't he just watch what Shaniqua did? And if he was an investigative role, the paper rifling would make sense, but not the seeing of Shaniqua going back into his room and the bloody shirt.
I find it hard to believe you have the ability to gain information through two different means. Vote: Unstable Marionette.
At first I didn't buy Shaniqua's claim, as can be seen with my vote. The full claim didn't persuade me to change my vote. What was the hunch that you acted upon? Did CK do something? Say something?
But Pineapple feeding UM an explanation as to why UM would have any sort of knowledge throws up red flags. Why would Pineapple need to expound like he did on how or why UM would have any sort of role info? So I will Unvote: Shaniqua.
I think some explanations are necessary from a few people.
That'd be because I killed Chainsaw Kitten last night.
And no, I have no intention of elaborating right now. This day is shot, and I refuse to give the scum anything extra to work with tonight. You guys clearly wont be satisfied with this long term, so I'll full claim first thing tomorrow. Maybe that will at least generate some discussion, for a change.
Ahh...you don't care to elaborate? CK was the only kill last night. This sounds like a scum confession at the moment. Unvote: SirSleepDeprived, Vote: Shaniqua
I'd consider leaving the masons go, but J-ville's last post in which he's so willing to lynch Person really strikes me as odd. J-ville, why do you think Person is making things up? What evidence is there?
I have to admit, that on the surface, J-ville's willingness to lynch Person rekindles some of my suspicion regarding him.
I can't say I agree with this mini-wagon on UM. From his posts, I don't get a scummy feeling. My reading is more neutral than anything. I'm going to Vote:SirSleepDeprived. Shaniqua asked for thoughts on UM and you bust out a vote on him and barn Shaniqua. C'mon, at least make somewhat of an attempt to hide your scumminess.
I couldn't find a lot to make a case against stricken, apart from his illogical pursuit of the masons yesterday, so I'm going to drop that for now. But I'm watching you like a hawk, buddy.
I don't believe I was pursing the masons. Just Johnsonville and I was stating his claim of a mason is what I found hard to believe. Before he claimed, there were plenty of other people who found his actions questionable enough to vote him into claim range. It seems as if you're doing a small bit of misrepresenting there.
I think it's possible that the "seducer", assuming there is one, could be a mafia member. From a flavor point, if both masons are town, it would seem like a good twist on an affair.
In the end though, I doubt this is the case, as I still believe that one of the masons is scum already. As Buttercup mentioned, neither were made aware of the other's alignment. Until there's a lynch or other information comes out about either, I will have some amount of suspicions of both J-ville and Person.
@Person: You were with your lover for night 1. Were you with her on night 0?
Well, Chainsaw's votes were on Person, TLK and J-ville. So everyone can take that for what it's worth.
I'm curious as to why Squiggles wants to kill Buttercup. There were no reasons give for that statement.
@Pineapple: I was suspicious of J-ville because there was no comment on alignment and there was a chance he could me a mason and still be scum. Person now says J-ville is 100% town, but J-ville isn't sure about Person. Even if Person does come out with what he did last night, what does that do exactly to prove alignment?
huh, so.....Vote Person. i doubt taht a non confirmed mason pair could exist in this game, but a cult could (assuming the game was fairly simple otherwise.)
A cult? Someone lures "The Husband" away and your first thought is a cult? Why do I get the feeling this is a suggestion to cause the town to run in circles and try to out more claims?
So my current feelings are: I'll buy J-ville's mason claim, but I can't shake the scum feeling I have about him. Person's tippy-toeing around the subject of where he was last night, I can understand flavor-wise, but it's doing nothing game-wise but making him look scummy. Neither of the mason pair are in the clear for me. I think it's possible either could be scum, and likely one is.
I'm sorry to see Chainsaw go. He had some good points throughout Day 1. Right now I want to go back through, look at Chainsaw's posts and then come up with where I want to go from here.
I'm still suspicious of Johonsonville, but before I renew my attack on him I want to be sure of a few things. If I don't get to it tonight, then it'll have to be over the weekend as Friday I plan on being nowhere near a computer.
@Person-Why in the world did you claim? There was no need to do so today.
@IS-Why are you trying to direct the cop? In no way does that help you or make you look any better to the rest of the players. I just don't understand why you'd make a suggestion like that.
I have no idea where to go from here. I'm still not willing to vote IS as I still think he's town, but playing badly. The same 6 people seem to be talking about the same topic and it's just running us in circles. Maybe if Unstable Marionette and The Lollipop Kids could show up and post an opinion it would help some things.
Aren't you exactly repeating what I said, and what you accused me for, right now?
A mason claim would not be very harmful for the town, but it's not a good time for the mason partner to come out right now.
Yes I agree having confirmed masons is good. Reliable opinions are optimum. But I do not agree that the mason partner, should there be one, should come out this game day. I feel that if there is a mason partner, there is no need to come out Day1. Reducing power role pool, giving the mafia more concrete information or allowing a gambit play by the mafia to occur all being reasons not to.
What I’m saying is if there is a partner, possibly come out Day2. That way we hopefully have information from a lynch and possibly from a NK to give us better leads.
So my statement is “A mason claim today could be harmful to the town and it’s not a good time for the mason partner to come out.” Which is different from what you’re saying.
And I originally attacked you for what I saw, and see, as fence sitting, as you state “A mason claim would not be very harmful for the town,” (a slightly aggressive play) “but it's not a good time for the mason partner to come out right now.” (A conservative play). This is the fence sitting I’m referring to.
Stricken, you seem to be doing an awful lot of fence sitting about IS. It seems like every other post you're changing your opinion on him.
The fact that IS still has 6 votes is only convincing me more that he's scum. We have 2 days to lynch.
Where in the world have you seen me fence sitting in regards to IS? I started out believing him almost completely to be town to the point I helped defend him. Then later on he did some things to make me lose a bit of belief in him, enough to let him defend himself. I had one post in which I said I felt a little bit of scumminess from IS. How is that fence sitting? Look at my scum list I posted. #1 was you, #2 was TLK and #3 has shifted a bit, yes, but never to IS.
My god do I so think you're scummy. First you try to cast doubt on my alignment, barning Stealth_Ninja, who never came back to answer Chainsaw's and my question of him. And then the last line: "He he still has those 6 votes on him, people. Deadline is almost here" all implying that voting IS is better than nothing.
The blue and the green quote may seem a little contradicting, but I think they still both apply to the situation. I think, in this situation, it's not too bad for the mason partner to claim (and this is where the purple comes in) if the two masons are sure of each other's alignment. In other games, I always found it very useful to have some people alive that are confirmed, simply because you can trust them. The only disadvantage to a partner claim is that it will narrow down the amount of players with possible power roles. Outweighing the advantage and the disadvantage, I think it's not all that bad for the town to have the second mason claim, especially when some people seem to think the claimed mason is falseclaiming. I also said that I do not want the mason partner to claim right now, because I think it's better to wait until after the night(kill), until after JVille has answered my question, and until after IS has been lynched.
I agree with you in regards to having cleared people around to have reliable information. But the problem is, this is Day1. It's much too early to start outing roles and giving the mafia good targets to pick off. Maybe the other mason can claim tomorrow, once we have some more information to go off of. But not on this game day.
In the "We Know" section. Your point 1 isn't a "WE kow." That's a "You know and could be lying about it."
UM, how much blood did you see on Shaniqua's shirt and where was it on his shirt?
I don't buy this. Look at the first post and the flavor of the game set up. Mr. Blue is described as "...starting to build a corporate empire, amassing several firms underneath him as Blue Incorporated."
Mr. Blue didn't have just one business to focus his efforts on. He had multiple interests. I think's it a reach to assume that some entry level schmuck would go after a CEO for being laid off. The Human Resource Manager is more likely to be responsible for such things, not the CEO.
Just an example...Does Bill Gates do all the firing of his employees? Highly unlikely. I'm sure he has a hand in some high level managment firings. But if the mail clerk is caught Xerox'ing his ass on company time, Bill isn't making a special trip to Racho Cucamunga to give him the pink slip. That's what he has minions for.
Woohoo...using more color boldyness. Between the two colors, it seems as if UM is implying he has two different roles. With the blue bold UM implies he's a watcher. With the green bold, UM implies he's an investigative role. I'm not asking for a confirmation on either, but just pointing out that UM's reasons for pushing Shaniqua's wagon don't stay consistant.
If he was a watcher, he'd have no reason to claim that he "went through Shaiqua's personal papers." Wouldn't he just watch what Shaniqua did? And if he was an investigative role, the paper rifling would make sense, but not the seeing of Shaniqua going back into his room and the bloody shirt.
I find it hard to believe you have the ability to gain information through two different means. Vote: Unstable Marionette.
But Pineapple feeding UM an explanation as to why UM would have any sort of knowledge throws up red flags. Why would Pineapple need to expound like he did on how or why UM would have any sort of role info? So I will Unvote: Shaniqua.
I think some explanations are necessary from a few people.
Ahh...you don't care to elaborate? CK was the only kill last night. This sounds like a scum confession at the moment. Unvote: SirSleepDeprived, Vote: Shaniqua
I have to admit, that on the surface, J-ville's willingness to lynch Person rekindles some of my suspicion regarding him.
I don't believe I was pursing the masons. Just Johnsonville and I was stating his claim of a mason is what I found hard to believe. Before he claimed, there were plenty of other people who found his actions questionable enough to vote him into claim range. It seems as if you're doing a small bit of misrepresenting there.
I think it's possible that the "seducer", assuming there is one, could be a mafia member. From a flavor point, if both masons are town, it would seem like a good twist on an affair.
In the end though, I doubt this is the case, as I still believe that one of the masons is scum already. As Buttercup mentioned, neither were made aware of the other's alignment. Until there's a lynch or other information comes out about either, I will have some amount of suspicions of both J-ville and Person.
@Person: You were with your lover for night 1. Were you with her on night 0?
I'm curious as to why Squiggles wants to kill Buttercup. There were no reasons give for that statement.
@Pineapple: I was suspicious of J-ville because there was no comment on alignment and there was a chance he could me a mason and still be scum. Person now says J-ville is 100% town, but J-ville isn't sure about Person. Even if Person does come out with what he did last night, what does that do exactly to prove alignment?
Where did you get 'alternate' win condition from? Person said he believed it was 'part' of his win condition
A cult? Someone lures "The Husband" away and your first thought is a cult? Why do I get the feeling this is a suggestion to cause the town to run in circles and try to out more claims?
So my current feelings are: I'll buy J-ville's mason claim, but I can't shake the scum feeling I have about him. Person's tippy-toeing around the subject of where he was last night, I can understand flavor-wise, but it's doing nothing game-wise but making him look scummy. Neither of the mason pair are in the clear for me. I think it's possible either could be scum, and likely one is.
I'm still suspicious of Johonsonville, but before I renew my attack on him I want to be sure of a few things. If I don't get to it tonight, then it'll have to be over the weekend as Friday I plan on being nowhere near a computer.
@IS-Why are you trying to direct the cop? In no way does that help you or make you look any better to the rest of the players. I just don't understand why you'd make a suggestion like that.
I have no idea where to go from here. I'm still not willing to vote IS as I still think he's town, but playing badly. The same 6 people seem to be talking about the same topic and it's just running us in circles. Maybe if Unstable Marionette and The Lollipop Kids could show up and post an opinion it would help some things.
Yes I agree having confirmed masons is good. Reliable opinions are optimum. But I do not agree that the mason partner, should there be one, should come out this game day. I feel that if there is a mason partner, there is no need to come out Day1. Reducing power role pool, giving the mafia more concrete information or allowing a gambit play by the mafia to occur all being reasons not to.
What I’m saying is if there is a partner, possibly come out Day2. That way we hopefully have information from a lynch and possibly from a NK to give us better leads.
So my statement is “A mason claim today could be harmful to the town and it’s not a good time for the mason partner to come out.” Which is different from what you’re saying.
And I originally attacked you for what I saw, and see, as fence sitting, as you state “A mason claim would not be very harmful for the town,” (a slightly aggressive play) “but it's not a good time for the mason partner to come out right now.” (A conservative play). This is the fence sitting I’m referring to.
Where in the world have you seen me fence sitting in regards to IS? I started out believing him almost completely to be town to the point I helped defend him. Then later on he did some things to make me lose a bit of belief in him, enough to let him defend himself. I had one post in which I said I felt a little bit of scumminess from IS. How is that fence sitting? Look at my scum list I posted. #1 was you, #2 was TLK and #3 has shifted a bit, yes, but never to IS.
My god do I so think you're scummy. First you try to cast doubt on my alignment, barning Stealth_Ninja, who never came back to answer Chainsaw's and my question of him. And then the last line: "He he still has those 6 votes on him, people. Deadline is almost here" all implying that voting IS is better than nothing.
I agree with you in regards to having cleared people around to have reliable information. But the problem is, this is Day1. It's much too early to start outing roles and giving the mafia good targets to pick off. Maybe the other mason can claim tomorrow, once we have some more information to go off of. But not on this game day.