In my opinion, part of the fun of cubing is that there are a ton of borderline cards which allows for personalisation, diversification and/or pushing of themes.
I miss the Evaluate Everything thread
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JovianHomarid posted a message on [[Peasant]] The Peasant Cube Discussion Thread (C/U/)Posted in: Pauper & Peasant Discussion -
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JovianHomarid posted a message on [[Peasant]] The Peasant Cube Discussion Thread (C/U/)I run Ghost-lit raider, and it is fine. I see it as a mediocre burn-spell with the alternate mode of being a repeatable source of damage when you can cast it (and perhaps protect it).Posted in: Pauper & Peasant Discussion
Here's how I think about it. 3R for 4 damage is fine, and would be a fine playable in most peasant cube Rx decks. Yes, there are better and more efficient options available among un/common burn spells, but that doesn't mean that once in the cube, an Electrify wouldn't be a worthvile card to put in a deck. This kind of a discussion came up a lot in the "Evaluate Everything" thread, where cards that are clearly "playable" would still get a zero because of better options available (I am asusming Electrify got a zero).
And the raider then comes with the upside of sometimes just being absurd in the right boardstate. It also has minor upside in being a creature, but also downside (can get it back with Raise Dead-effects, but does not trigger Young Pyromancer.
The times when this all breaks down are in cubes that are maxed out on removal and burn. In those cubes, a drafter might have so much removal to choose from that an Electrify would not make the 23. (even if being "fine" in the abstract").
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calibretto posted a message on MTGS Average Peasant Cube 2019With no more large sets scheduled for release this year, I thought what better time than now to go ahead and put this list together.Posted in: Pauper & Peasant Discussion
We had seven sets adding new cards to our library since last year's average list was put together.
Ultimate Masters
Ravnica Allegiance
War of the Spark
Modern Horizons
M20
Commander 2019
Throne of Eldraine
Cutting to the chase, here's the link for the 2019 average list. https://www.cubetutor.com/viewcube/156304
Here is the CubeCobra link: https://cubecobra.com/cube/list/mtgs19
The filters are not set up on CubeCobra yet, but I'll try to make that happen.
I know the CubeTutor color coding can get a little blurry, but I find it nice to use the filter function to see where cards land or what an average 360/450/540 etc list might look like. You can also uncheck the show colours checkbox at the top of the page.
If you're interested in more info about where exactly a card landed, here is the link to a Google doc I created. I didn't do this last year and I wish I had. Google Doc
The Google doc details the list of users' cubes included in the average list, as well as the full card list including which user's list the card appeared in and how many times each card appears exactly. So if you're wondering why a card landed where it did, you can check the doc to see just who's running it and maybe spark up a conversation with them about why.
Speaking of cubes included, I was able to get to 30 cubes this year, though I did have to stretch the criteria a bit. I got to 28 cubes looking at active users here on MTGS from the past few months. The final two cubes were recently updated (through Throne) cubes from CubeCobra and CubeTutor. Maybe this taints the list somehow, with them not being all MTGS users' cubes, but 30 lists seemed better than 28 to me. One thing I'll note on this is that you should all have a link to your cube in your sig. It's incredibly helpful. I probably could have gotten to more than 30 here on MTGS if more people had links.
Another difference this year from last year is the exclusion of Un and Conspiracy cards. I did this instinctively because I don't personally enjoy Un cards, and honestly, I wish I hadn't excluded them from the average list. This is personal choice of mine, but obviously several people enjoy them, so I think it would have been nice to see where those cards landed in the numbers for those that want to include them. By the time this regret settled with me, I had already calculated the data to a point that it was too late to go back and include them. I did miss a few (as you can see in the CT blog) and some are still included in the Google doc.
As to the data at hand, I've had people ask me why this list is somehow better than the CubeTutor average lists when I've linked last year's list to them. To answer that question and explain why I think this list is helpful, I'd say that, while this is a much smaller sample size, all of the cubes included are owned by cubers who have updated their list within the last three months. Most of them being active members participating in discussion happening on MTGS (the best Peasant cube community around). Also this isn't intended to tell you what you have to run in your cube. I personally just think it's nice to see what an average list looks like. Propaganda isn't a very popular card in the cubes included here, but my group loves it, so it's in no danger of getting cut.
With all that said, the last things I'll include here are links to the 2018 cube as well as a link to the CubeTutor comparison between the two if you're interested in seeing what changed from last year to this year. I thought about going through that info, but it's a lot and this post is long enough already. Obviously this thread is an open forum for discussion of anything interesting you folks might find in the compare.
2017 List
2018 List
CT Comparison
Cheers, guys, and here's to another year of discussing this fine format with you all! -
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Poster formerly known as Phitt77 posted a message on [[Peasant]] The Peasant Cube Discussion Thread (C/U/)For most cards anecdotal evidence isn't enough to prove anything. Sol Ring is very easy to evaluate and it has been around since Alpha, so millions of players had a chance to play with it. Sure, it's still a situational card and just because you draw a Sol Ring, even early in the game, doesn't mean you are bound to win. But if you can make use of the mana and if you can play it on turn one or two it will give you a HUGE advantage.Posted in: Pauper & Peasant Discussion
Sol Ring may be ok in a slow multiplayer format like EDH (though it's still an unfair advantage in that format from my pov), but in any reasonably fast 1 vs 1 CU/be setting it will very noticeably increase win chances for any deck it is played in. I don't think there is a need to test that, it's just a matter of taste whether you think it's ok to have such a bomb in the cube or not. -
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Labbe posted a message on Block\Set Cube based on settings (planes) vs time (standard)Thank you for your suggestion.Posted in: Pauper & Peasant Discussion
I just finished my first cube with the cards I own.
It's composed only from cards from Kamigawa block + cards from core sets 8 and 9 (since they are mostly "vanilla" I think they don't ruin theme so much).
If I want I can quickly recognize and remove core set cards since they are all white bordered.
In the end I needed 2 copies only of about 25 cards mostly blue because it was heavily underrepresented.
I will try it with my friends and let you know how it plays,
Thank you again
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Squirrely posted a message on [[Peasant]] The Peasant Cube Discussion Thread (C/U/)Not sure when mtgsalvation will shut down, and where these discussions might migrate.Posted in: Pauper & Peasant Discussion
But, I wanted to say I’ve enjoyed being part of this community. Thanks for the discussions, insights and general passtime. -
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Poster formerly known as Phitt77 posted a message on Peasant Core 2020 ThreadPosted in: Pauper & Peasant DiscussionQuote from n00b1n8R »Cryptic Caves reminds me a lot Blighted Cataract. Obviously it's cheaper and colourless but is that enough of an upside to bump out a low-tier artifact or one of the other utility lands?
I think the difference between having seven mana (most likely lands unless you play UG) minimum and tapping out with all you've got versus having five lands and tapping only two of them is a huge difference. There are only few decks that can achieve the former reliably while getting a true benefit out of it while pretty much every midrange or control deck should be able to do the latter eventually. I think Caves are probably even playable in aggro.
Then there is of course the color restriction, in my cube at least it's far easier to find a colorless spot for such a card than making room for it in the blue section. On top of that blue is a color that doesn't really need more card draw. -
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bacchus2 posted a message on Evaluate EverythingI'm alive! I'm clearly behind and I haven't played Magic in months, but I do want to add the last years of sets or however much I've missed. Had some other priorities for the beginning of the year, hopefully kickstart this by the end of the month.Posted in: Pauper & Peasant Discussion -
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JovianHomarid posted a message on [[Peasant]] The Peasant Cube Discussion Thread (C/U/)Posted in: Pauper & Peasant Discussion - To post a comment, please login or register a new account.
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Still, I'm happy I tried Arc Mage, even if it's not a card I'd actively recommend. Sometimes it's worth trying these cards just to see how they feel. At worst you'll decide it's not what you were looking for, at best you've found a card that makes your cube more fun. No downside really. Just run them and see where it goes if you're tempted.
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Especially because those ramp spells that didn't really do anything anymore now draw you cards.
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