If people complaining leave the game...
it means their enjoyment of the game went down a lot because of the external IP, so all the other things magic has going for were out weighted.
It seems like a tantrum really, you drop your enjoyment because one addition to the game, maybe you didn't enjoy the game that much in the first place. Anyway, seems like something deeper going on, I would talk with my therapist for sure.
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login posted a message on Read this announcement at your own risk (it involves mtg)Posted in: The Rumor Mill -
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Cranky posted a message on Read this announcement at your own risk (it involves mtg)Posted in: The Rumor MillQuote from andy_hall23 »Some of you need to analyze your thoughts about 'HATE'
'Hate' is a strong feeling and word.
MLK said 'Let no man pull you low enough to hate him'
Hate is what brings evil and breeds *****ty people.
Its a freaking card game. People been making 'Fake Cards' of like Superman and Wolverine and Batman for like ..years..HELL , INQUEST MAGAZINE did it themselves back in the day ..they had fake cards printed up in the back of the Magazine for years!! You can search them up and everything.
OH no ..they are making cards with other things on them. Oh well. Be the consumers you know you are if you don't like them ..and not buy them. And if you're playing against them in Commander? Freaking make better decks! Make decks that they don't wanna play against either! Or HECK have some common sense and communicate!
Some people here are gonna start tweeting Maro and all the people in Magic they can ...and then they'll get blocked and think that because they got blocked or some ***** that its a 'Win'
Sometimes ...when I was younger I always wondered why us nerds got picked on and beaten up ...the freaking way that some of you have been acting? I can see why there's a bit of that still today.
You know members of WotC staff received death threats over TWD? I expect they've already gotten a few more over UB, and that says a lot about the mentality of people who are upset about it. The amount of energy folks are putting into trying (and failing) to explain why this is a bad thing is mind-boggling.
Makes me afraid for how nasty and childish games are going to get in public spaces after lockdowns are lifted. -
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andy_hall23 posted a message on Read this announcement at your own risk (it involves mtg)Some of you need to analyze your thoughts about 'HATE'Posted in: The Rumor Mill
'Hate' is a strong feeling and word.
MLK said 'Let no man pull you low enough to hate him'
Hate is what brings evil and breeds *****ty people.
Its a freaking card game. People been making 'Fake Cards' of like Superman and Wolverine and Batman for like ..years..HELL , INQUEST MAGAZINE did it themselves back in the day ..they had fake cards printed up in the back of the Magazine for years!! You can search them up and everything.
OH no ..they are making cards with other things on them. Oh well. Be the consumers you know you are if you don't like them ..and not buy them. And if you're playing against them in Commander? Freaking make better decks! Make decks that they don't wanna play against either! Or HECK have some common sense and communicate!
Some people here are gonna start tweeting Maro and all the people in Magic they can ...and then they'll get blocked and think that because they got blocked or some ***** that its a 'Win'
Sometimes ...when I was younger I always wondered why us nerds got picked on and beaten up ...the freaking way that some of you have been acting? I can see why there's a bit of that still today. -
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Cranky posted a message on Read this announcement at your own risk (it involves mtg)Posted in: The Rumor MillQuote from Jh216 »Quote from Dontrike »
Seems to me that it's far more likely that fans of LotR and 40k are more likely to buy the cards that feature their favorite characters, scenes, etc. to collect more of the thing they love rather than learning to play the game that they are featured on. I'm sure many in those fandoms are of the nerdy variety and know Magic exists, likely having seen it played at some point. I don't believe Magic incorporating these franchises will bring in new players, but instead just extra buyers.
This feels more like a quick way to get some cash in the short term while forgoing the long term, I base this on Magic's current personality in the last couple of years. There are FAR more quick FOMO kind of products than ever. This kind of attitude I feel is hurting the game, and based on the bannings and the card power lately that is my evidence.
Exactly.
It is 100% a corporate sellout by Hasbro of the existing player base that wants MtG to be and stay MtG. They don’t give a damn about people who have been invested in the game for a long time, sometimes even 25+ years, as long as they can grab the quick cash from the latest generation of un-invested casuals and the growing group of conformist snowflakes within current MtG player base.
And just to point out, reading the forum of the miniature hobby forum I’m also active at it has become crystal clear most Warhammer 40K players think “Magic has no story anyway so having Space Marines in their universe doesn’t make a difference”. That is the kind of new people that will be attracted to the game and you’ll have sit down with you at a Commander table.
I don't understand this position. These new toys take ABSOLUTELY NOTHING away from existing players. Fun and enjoyment is not a zero-sum game. This adds something new and nice for crossover fans and fans of the other IPs, attracting new blood to the game (which is an objectively good thing).
As to the comments you're referencing: they're not wrong. Magic's story/universe is absolute garbage compared to the IPs we'll soon be dipping into. Additionally, the mythos that Magic -does- have is that multiple universes exist and the player/planeswalkers pull creatures and spells through time and space to use them to do battle. Dipping into other IPs is 100% unequivocally exactly what Magic is already about, and arguments to the contrary are disingenuous and misinformed at best. -
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Flamebuster posted a message on Read this announcement at your own risk (it involves mtg)You like Super Smash Brothers?Posted in: The Rumor Mill
I'm asking because that's pretty much the granddaddy of crossover IPs in one platform. If you say you like SSB then you can essentially say dick all about MTG and its forthcoming developmental plans.
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Ryperior74 posted a message on Read this announcement at your own risk (it involves mtg)Posted in: The Rumor MillQuote from Djau the Jackal »Quote from Ryperior74 »Quote from OrzhovPlaneswalker »So...I'm done, at least for now.
I've thought it through and I'm taking a break from the game and from the lore for a while.
We'll see how long it lasts as my investment in the game is pretty ingrained by now, but I can't help thinking that I possibly care about and prioritize Magic's setting and storyline at a deeper level than the staff (or at least the upper management) at WotC.
And that's not healthy.
There are loads of other franchises, series, and fandoms that do just as good, if not better jobs at developing engaging and consistent narratives.
Simply put: This game is not for me.
your choice but like I asked earlier why defend the storyline when ever since BFZ going forward especially war of the spark aftermath story it’s vast majorly is “boooooo”
the one and only reason it got interesting again is the phyrexians are finally coming back.
To be honest the story in MTG only got bad the moment the game put more focus on Planeswalkers as critical to the story. Alpha until Gatewatch was the best time story-wise. The new stuff just seems so...Marvel.
amen to that my man -
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Djau the Jackal posted a message on Read this announcement at your own risk (it involves mtg)Posted in: The Rumor MillQuote from Ryperior74 »Quote from OrzhovPlaneswalker »So...I'm done, at least for now.
I've thought it through and I'm taking a break from the game and from the lore for a while.
We'll see how long it lasts as my investment in the game is pretty ingrained by now, but I can't help thinking that I possibly care about and prioritize Magic's setting and storyline at a deeper level than the staff (or at least the upper management) at WotC.
And that's not healthy.
There are loads of other franchises, series, and fandoms that do just as good, if not better jobs at developing engaging and consistent narratives.
Simply put: This game is not for me.
your choice but like I asked earlier why defend the storyline when ever since BFZ going forward especially war of the spark aftermath story it’s vast majorly is “boooooo”
the one and only reason it got interesting again is the phyrexians are finally coming back.
To be honest the story in MTG only got bad the moment the game put more focus on Planeswalkers as critical to the story. Alpha until Gatewatch was the best time story-wise. The new stuff just seems so...Marvel. -
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foam_dome posted a message on (Leak) Strixhaven confirmed to have commander 2021Here’s to hoping that these decks will have more universally good EDH cards like the Ikoria precons did, rather than the ZNR and KHM ones.Posted in: The Rumor Mill
Quote from Ryperior74 »i totally called this one so part two of my prediction is each one is to a house and the face legends are their leaders
Congrats, you are the king of low-hanging-fruit predictions -
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Dontrike posted a message on Innistrad booster box leak JapanesePosted in: The Rumor MillQuote from SpeedGrapher »I'm going to say it's real. Going back to innistrad again soon. I'm all for some new planes. Or some planes that have yet to see sequels. There are still a few left. Kamigawa #2! Portal #2 ! You could do both in the same year. Starter #2. Mesh them all together in one year. It would be great.
Lorwyn 2, Mirrodin Pure 1, M10-2.
Joke aside I do agree that some are getting a bit too much attention lately. I get why they are going back, they are popular, but if you've been playing the game long enough a 3rd return to a plane for the 3rd time (twice in a year & three in three years) it becomes a little boring. -
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LilianaxChandra posted a message on Secret Lair: Black is MagicPosted in: The Rumor MillQuote from leslak »Quote from LilianaxChandra »Quote from leslak »Quote from LilianaxChandra »
WotC wants to be "liberal" because if they were "conservative" there wouldn't be gay/lesbian/trans characters because those are "sins against Jesus Christ our savior". There wouldn't be black characters because blacks are only poor thugs who glorify drugs and hookers.
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man... take your pills before posting, plz
Quote from cyberium_neo »Was Shalai suppose to be black?
she isn't "White" as of anglosaxan white, looks more latina to me, probably portuguese/spanish mixed with native american.
"We affirm that so-called marriage equality goes against the nuclear family and is harmful to society as a whole, and therefore condemn the homosexual lifestyle choice." - GOP Platform 2016/2020
"We condemn Black Lives Matter as a terrorist movement whose only purpose is to divide Americans and harass law enforcement." - GOP Platform 2016/2020
Quoted from their website. Any questions, or do you want to fire off a few more passive-aggressive remarks?
oh well here we go
if they were "conservative" there wouldn't be gay/lesbian/trans characters because those are "sins against Jesus Christ our savior"
"We affirm that so-called marriage equality goes against the nuclear family and is harmful to society as a whole, and therefore condemn the homosexual lifestyle choice." - GOP Platform 2016/2020
Quoting a political party that the majority calls themselves conservatives ( 69% of Republicans described themselves as "conservative", while 25% opted for the term "moderate", and another 5% self-identified as "liberal" - from Gallup) but the values they defend sometimes are in contrast with what other conservatives groups and autors defend. If you can only think about USA when you do your remarks then yes you have a point about the leaders of the republican party being biggots but that doesnt mean all republicans think the same as those. For exemple back in 2011 conservatives that made several donations to gop made several donations/gave financial suport to gay couples and gay rights organizations ... This despite being conservative and donating to the republican party (link soo ppl don't have to search themselves in internet archives etc https://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/14/nyregion/donors-to-gop-are-backing-gay-marriage-push.html/ )
"We condemn Black Lives Matter as a terrorist movement whose only purpose is to divide Americans and harass law enforcement." - GOP Platform 2016/2020There wouldn't be black characters because blacks are only poor thugs who glorify drugs and hookers.
Also condemning a movement that peached/agreed with radical protests and vandalism is not equal to being racists or to think that blacks("Afro-descendants" etc) are " only poor thugs who glorify drugs and hookers " like u wrote. Was Martin Luther King, Jr against gay people because he was religious and a conservative? Thats the same you are implying here.
Wish you americans could go to europe or latin america more. No, Conservatism is not about being anti gay anti black or whatever you think, it is more about defending the institutions: marriage (yes conservatives can be homosexuals), religion (yes christianity acepts homosexuals and blacks..., at least most do, yes we know that there plenty of churchs that condem homosexualism), nation and political/social institutions as well as civil rights.
If you really think BLM was just about vandalism, or the history of the GOP working closely with White Supremacist groups to disenfranchise African-American (and Latino) voters is just something to ignore, I'm not sure what else to say.
And yes, Dr. King was severely against homosexuals, with his teachings being used into the 80s and 90s to condemn gays and lesbians during the AIDS crisis by African-American preachers. Just because someone has been oppressed doesn't mean they can't oppress others themselves.
Finally, yes my perspective is from an American one. I'm well aware our liberals would be conservatives in most developed nations, and our Conservatives would be extremists, with our far right being entirely off the European scale. - To post a comment, please login or register a new account.
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Theros has Devotion, which encourages monocolour play. Shadowmoor has a lot of hybrid which... doesn't encourage monocolour play.
Removing much manafixing will, naturally, force players to play with a more colour identity mindset. Similarly, putting in cards with 4-6 hybrid mana as their costs will encourage people to diversify in an attempt to more easily play those cards.
You need a better mix of hard mana cards and hybrid cards. The big splashes should be the top end, feature pieces. For instance, Benalish Marshal encourages more monocolour play than Hearthfire Hobgoblin does, simply for the fact one can only be cast with white, while the other encourages me to seek red cards too.
To really reward players, you'd be looking for 'Chroma' cards, both figuratively and literally. That and Devotion both reward monocolour play. Incidently mana fixing such as Seething Song can also encourage monocolour play in the correct enviroment.
Similarly, it's also worthwhile to minimise the overlap of deck archetypes between colours, which is a little odd as it's the exact opposite of what you normally want to do. So pick five themes/archetypes you want, and then try to build each in monoclour. That's a good thought experiment for testing and figuring out how to make this cube work.
Speaking of which, test regularly. Smaller, tested changes are much better than sweeping, speculative changes, as when something doesn't work it's a lot easier to figure out why.
I wish you all the best of luck, and am sure someone more experienced with Cube may be able to be more useful than me
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Urza is basically the Batman of the MTG franchise, with the same caveats, story templating, moral ambiquity and everything else that people adore about DC's 'Dark Knight'.
Fin.
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Not entirely, people have just been thinking about it backwards. Think more like this or that. Cards with two effects that when depleted of loyalty counters, are then flipped into Legendary Creatures.
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Yeah, however one thing that you seem to have forgotten...
Alike the MCU storyline people aren't following this storyline in a vacuum. Peoples complaint isn't so much the frequency of seeing Jace, it's the frequency of his necessity to the overall, long term plotline.
Jace was one the first five walkers to appear in Lorwyn. At that time, they heavily promoted Jace to an audience that didn't particularly like him, and was more interested in the other four walkers. After that, we had Alara which introduced new thematic walkers (and the return of Bolas). However, that still shoehorned in Jace using a connection to Tezzeret and Bolas. Then Zendikar, which... shoehorned in Jace to the detriment of the story (as I view it).
Then we jumped over to Mirrodin, which brought us reprieve in that we had no Jace, the return and adaption of a favoured enemy and a favoured setting, and a lot of people hated it. The reason? Venser's entire storyline at the time was criticised for being 'too much like Jace'. That may have been forgetten in time as people retrospectively interpret his character, but it was a criticism that was made.
Then we got Innistrad, which was a reprieve from Jace. Momentarily...
Because then we returned to Ravnica, and low and behold, Jace was front and center. What irked so many is that he then became a living MacGuffin. He also (as some view it) stole the literal identity of Ravnica into his own character as a shallow attempt to make people like him. It backfired. More people ended up hating him for being a living macguffin that damaged the identity of their favourite plane.
Theros then gave us a reprieve from Jace, but not from Gideon who was a very polarising character at the time, with some for and some against. Notably most of those against disliked his (then) similarities to Jace in the way his story was handled, which early on telegraphed that the Gatewatch would become a thing.
Then Tarkir happened. Most people forgot the story of this because it handled time travel badly, did major retcon work to Bolas and Ugin (that angered just about everyone), and it's main protagonist was criticised as a lazy pastiche of elements of Jace and Gideon (who were both still disliked by the general audience). It also introduced the wedge plane everyone wanted... to immediately destroy that identity thanks to the Jace pastiche.
During that time however we had side stories happening that was supposed to follow Ral. Unfortunately this quickly devolved into Jace + Jace, as he got shoehorned in there (with Gideon) in the worst plot setup for a set I've seen in a while, which wheeled into Eldrazikar. This is when the pattern really begins to set in: another fan favourite plane (not mine, I hate it), that involved Jace (or a pastiche of him), and involved a fan favourite setting being irrevocably destroyed or it's identity forever changing. This only fanned animosity for Jace, especially with the perceived ease he defeated the Eldrazi. Oh wait, what happens next...
We go back to another fan favourite plane (also not mine, I hate it) and low and behold, Jace is there. Now previously, it's been one block on (Jace) and one block off (pastiche), but now they're just forcing him down the audience's throats. And low and behold, the core of the story is the plane's identity being irrevocably changed and Jace having a hand in it and/or being the one to solve the problem. Nevermind that you had Tamiyo there, the fact she was an afterthought as compared to Jace's necromantic booty obsession and the criminally overlooked Nahiri/Sorin story, in the end it all came down to 'Jace Kaioken x10'.
From there we went to Kaladesh, and while supposed to be an artifact set involving rebellion, drama, social politics and everyone's (modern) favourite artifact baddie Tezzeret, even with a big Ajani plot point, most people criticised it for Jace. Because despite the fact he could of had no screentime, they had to shoehorn him in anyway. Oh and look, the pattern continues of plane everyone enjoys... with it's identity completely destroyed. Hmmm.
Then we go to Amonkhet, another plane everyone loves the world of (despite it being a fascist military meritocracy). Now this one we 'knew' was going to be destroyed, so any audience member surprised here when it's completely torn asunder is just naive. In fact, it's main approval was watching the Gatewatch get bodied by Bolas, because people were generally sick of the Gatewatch at this point (yet notably only when it involved Jace). Gideon got substantial character development in this set that truly distinguished him from Jace and gained his own audience.
From there we got Ixalan, which makes four Jace sets, yayyy. It also brought people pirates, so if you're a fan of those, great! If you're not? Sucks to be you! Sadly those pirates got Jace'd, which ruined the pirates for a considerable portion of their fans. We also got the return of Azor, a huge piece of fan service... that Jace exiled into plot irrelevance reminding everyone of how Jace disregards the general plot (being the GuffinPact). Notably Ixalan's biggest criticism is Jace and his superficial character-centric plot, while it's most applauded notion are the Pirates, Dinosaurs and White Vampires.
From there we went to Dominaria, return to a plane people adore and with no Jace. And people went wild. They loved seeing the return of characters that were similar but distinct to the Gatewatch members. It capitalised on Gideon's improved character, continued Lilith's story, and didn't involve Jace... until it did, in the most criticised part of Dominaria, which is the Jace cameo. Which also added precisely nothing to the story as it was redundant in respect of the future Project Lightning Bug. Fortunately as Jace didn't stick around, Dominaria didn't have it's audience identity completely destroyed.
Oh, nevermind, they rammed out a Spellbook thing based on Jace. Which received criticism because it could of been any other PW, but no, they had to ram Jace in, because you can't be allowed to forget that Jace is plot-armor superion of audience upset.
Then we're back to Ravnica, and thank goth that there has been no Jace. We got to focus on the Guilds, and how things have changed precisely because Jace isn't in the one place he should be, and it's causing the systematic destruction of another fan favourite plane...
And then we will have War of the Spark, where it's heavily suspected that instead of Ajani, who was originally set up to combat Bolas, we're going to quick swerve to Jace being the hero. But not after the entire identity and culture that the audience loves about Ravnica is completely destroyed. In a set that should be about a planeswalker war, instead it's increasingly likely to be all about a war over Jace's guildpact infused spark. So he can go on to be Guildpact of the Multiverse, because we needed an Adam Warlock Above All in MTG, that can be used to simply reset problems in the multiverse so nobody has to write convincing endings. And sure, it has parallels to Azor's naive rigidity and Liliana's selfish pursuit of her own goals despite the consequences, but it's also shallow.
And yes, while there is going to be a new weatherlight, because Magic repeats it's story beats over and over with different gloss in the hope you don't notice, it's not unpredictable and isn't particularly fun for the audience, especially when a pattern has existed of destroying the fan favourite planes for a cheap emotional reaction now in trade for long term audience respect, investment and story potential.
Case in point: Marvel made the same mistakes and had to run a series called Time Runs Out, and then Secret Wars 2015, so they could restore all their fan favourites (or adaptions of them) after angering many of their audience members. Similarly they did this with House of M as well in regards to their various mutant-X teams.