*shrugs* Your posting styled changed immediately after I latched onto you. Suddenly the game was no fun.
You can't even come close to proving that, considering how long it was before I said I was bored.
So then, at what point did you start getting bored?
At the point when I figured out that I wasn't going to move my vote from Atog without some drastic revelation...and then people's activity level seemed to drop off.
Hear me out. I hate Day 1s. There's a lot of players and very little information, which leads to a lack of focus, which leads to a day that can last 1000 posts, which is a pain in the rear to analyze later in the game. I don't know what Obzedat does, but it if has anything to do with Immortal Servitude, what's the usefulness in keeping it around? Maybe someone is controlling its vote, but is that really that helpful? It's just one vote. And why waste a vig shot on it when it could be immune to night actions? And why potentially wait until later in the game when we're down to the wire to waste a lynch on it?
If anyone has a good reason we shouldn't lynch it today, I'm totally open to hearing it. But so far all I've seen is "No that's not good idea- let's do it later or vig it" with no substantiating reasons. At first I thought it could be a hydra, but I don't have any reason to believe that. So convince me I'm wrong.
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I don't love Day 1 either, but pushing the Big Red Button just to push it strikes me as a terrible idea.
@zin: No offense intended with the comment re: you getting replaced. I just hate it when you lurk (which is more often than not). Congrats on the zinda-baby!
@Proph: I don't do T/S lists on D1 any more. It's an exercise in futility. I also am not going to go out of my way to ask questions just because you want me to.
@Az: So what's going to happen to your view of the gamestate if I die before you and you are proven wrong?
@AI how do you define a 'distraction to the town?'
A player whose only contributions so far are to attract an early wagon and then accuse everyone voting for him of being scum qualifies, wouldn't you say?
I'm having troubles sorting my thoughts in this game, joining a large game after a break while still in school makes for a slow boot-up process, apparently.
It doesn't help that we're somehow stalling so early in the day.
Anyway, I'm still happy to lynch either AI or togs. I feel like AI is the most likely scum out of the two very likely scum though.
"most likely scum out of the two very likely scum"
You are going to need to do better than that.
I'm not sure how considering the validity of points made by people who are town-reading people I'm voting makes me anything but someone trying to look at a situation from multiple angles.
More like, endorsing the validity of people who held the opposite read from you.
Then nervously dancing with waffle words to conjure up justification for a vote anyways, then over-selling it conspicuousy.
Because undermining my own reads is a smart thing to do as scum? What?
Here you are misreading or misrepping the post. Taredas wasn't saying that Sepiral shouldn't be lynched because he was Town. He was saying Sepiral shouldn't be lynched because he claimed Orzhov, i.e. "no reveal." AI apparently agreed with that, but thinks Orzhov should therefore be vigged. Which has it's own issues.
Orzhov and anti-town in behavior, regardless of actual alignment. I'm a firm believer in using the vig to weed out distractions to the town. At no point did I suggest it is wise to gun down every Orzhov player.
AI's votes on Sepiriel and Vishamon were packed full of multiple scum tells. He mixes an underlying mindset of repeatedly endorsing the validity of the reasoning of the people who are town-reading his targets, mixes that with nervous, self-conscious qualifiers on his own reads, but then throws in some hyper-aggressive, overly-confident accusatory language to finish it off. That combination of traditional scum voting tells is pretty strongly indicative.
Together with that, you get the defeatism and boredom in response to the initial naked vote against him. Again, that's very much in keeping with AI's lack of confidence in his scum game.
There are also a few other very bizarre bits like the inexplicable calling for Hansantor to get vigged. I'm almost uncomfortable calling them scum tells because they're just so weird and hard to explain under either alignment for AI. Like, I feel like a scum AI would feel equally uncomfortable directing the vig because he's experienced enough to know how bad that is, having so little basis to do so this early in the day. But maybe not.
Would vote except that I'm a bloodthirsty Gruul player and that's not what we manly barbarians do: Asianinvasion.
I skipped the blah blah and went right to the good part.
If you think a single naked vote even made a blip on my radar, you have no idea how to read me. I'm not sure how considering the validity of points made by people who are town-reading people I'm voting makes me anything but someone trying to look at a situation from multiple angles.
There's no defeatism in any of my posts. If you're referring to the "lynch one of us" comment, that is not defeatism.
I also direct the vig in a majority of my games. I probably do it more as town, but I don't have data to support that.
As someone who came out of hiatus specifically to play in this game, I think I have to right to decide when and under what circumstances I am bored (which is not a slight against Meg in any way). Lurkers gonna lurk.
Sepiriel seems to have disappeared as soon as the wagon on him collapsed. Our digs I miss a post? If I'm not missing anything, then that's REALLY shady behavior and i'd be cool putting my vote right back on him.
Vish is probably town. His "I'm having trouble reconciling" thing is indicative of a town mindset - I think scum would just roll with having scum reads on both AI and Togs, but it's clear that Vish is thinking about his reads.
It's a weak town tell at best. Scum fake indecisiveness all the time.
The fact that AI quotes ZDS in his post asking for an Atog claim indicates he had caught up on the thread and should have been aware that the pressure on Togs was waning, with Proph removing his vote, and a discussion in place between him and ZDS about the validity of Togs' "I made myself look scummy on purpose" claim.
I would not expect the AI I am familiar with to either miss this bit of info, nor would I expect him to misrepresent it as town. This, in concert with how quick he seemed to jump on board with lynching me after Az made his post about my weak vote on Sepiriel gives me a strong scum vibe.
The pressure on Atog is not waning just because two people are questioning their reads. Are we playing the same game?
With all that being said, there is a situation where scum (including and perhaps especially newb scum) will pretend they are pulling the lynch bait tactic: when they realise they ****ed up, and they don't believe they can save themselves by actually debating with their accusers. Note that, in this case, the scum player never actually tried or wanted to become lynch bait.
The bolded is the impression I'm getting from his baiting talk. It doesn't look like baiting.
This /barn
The problem is I am having trouble reconciling my scum read on Togs with the scum vibes I'm getting from AI.
Kinda OoT: now I know I wasn't going insane at the beginning of the game. The forum doesn't properly refresh the page when you post. See pic attached (if it works), pay attention to the post numbers.
I presume this is a feature to save server space, and I'm going to assume I'm only finding out about it now a year after everyone else...but boy is it a bad feature if it actually is one.
I've found that "preview" is only good for reviewing one's own post; if you want to see the current state of the thread, you have to refresh the whole page or open it up in a new tab.
Getting cold feet on Togs. Not sure if I've seen newb scum intentionally position themselves as low-hanging fruit before.
Need to think more about this.
The way he's doing it is so smarmy and self-congratulatory, I don't buy it as genuine. I've seen anti-town behavior before, but to do it and claim that it's a tactical decision? Puh-leaze.
Cryptic Command is my favorite card because it does everything a blue mage could want: Counter spells, bounce permanents, tap creatures, and/or draw cards!
The ratio of noise to content is astronomical, and everything changes after we get the first flip, anyway.
I...guess? I would ask you to explain how, but I'm pretty sure it would veer the discussion off into OoG territory, which is better had post-game.
At the point when I figured out that I wasn't going to move my vote from Atog without some drastic revelation...and then people's activity level seemed to drop off.
Sure.
I don't love Day 1 either, but pushing the Big Red Button just to push it strikes me as a terrible idea.
@Az: So what's going to happen to your view of the gamestate if I die before you and you are proven wrong?
A player whose only contributions so far are to attract an early wagon and then accuse everyone voting for him of being scum qualifies, wouldn't you say?
"most likely scum out of the two very likely scum"
You are going to need to do better than that.
>"this game"
Implying I've never done anything like this in the past? Get real.
Not interested. Ask me again Day Two, I may have more ****s to give then.
You can't even come close to proving that, considering how long it was before I said I was bored.
Yeah, because that was weak sauce.
Because undermining my own reads is a smart thing to do as scum? What?
Orzhov and anti-town in behavior, regardless of actual alignment. I'm a firm believer in using the vig to weed out distractions to the town. At no point did I suggest it is wise to gun down every Orzhov player.
What was the purpose of this post?
I skipped the blah blah and went right to the good part.
If you think a single naked vote even made a blip on my radar, you have no idea how to read me. I'm not sure how considering the validity of points made by people who are town-reading people I'm voting makes me anything but someone trying to look at a situation from multiple angles.
There's no defeatism in any of my posts. If you're referring to the "lynch one of us" comment, that is not defeatism.
I also direct the vig in a majority of my games. I probably do it more as town, but I don't have data to support that.
You made us wait a whole day for that?
Good call. Sepiriel is AWOL.
It's a weak town tell at best. Scum fake indecisiveness all the time.
The pressure on Atog is not waning just because two people are questioning their reads. Are we playing the same game?
Lynch one of us and find out.
Agreed.
I'm getting bored and want to lynch someone I'm pretty sure is scum.
Someone made the comment that he should check in before we lynch anybody, but at this point it's just as likely that he's going to be replaced.
I do believe we have enough real and virtual votes on Atog for a claim. Let's hear it.
I've found that "preview" is only good for reviewing one's own post; if you want to see the current state of the thread, you have to refresh the whole page or open it up in a new tab.
Wow. I never saw that one coming. You're so clever.
The way he's doing it is so smarmy and self-congratulatory, I don't buy it as genuine. I've seen anti-town behavior before, but to do it and claim that it's a tactical decision? Puh-leaze.
At any rate, it doesn't seem like we're going to get anywhere until zindabad posts again. After that I think we should proceed with lynching Atog.