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  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from Shodai »
    What are people's predictions for Masters 25?


    There's a thread for it: https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/the-rumor-mill/speculation/785528-masters-25-predictions

    I'm expecting: Zendikar Manlands (next logical cycle, after Fetches and Timeshifted), Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth and Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx for Mono-black devotion (Phyrexian Obliterator has already been spoiled), hybrid mana (Fulminator Mage and Kitchen Finks in particular, the latter of which would mean -1/-1 counters and Persist, Wither and Infect),and Noble Hierarch and Street Wraith (they need a reprint).

    Oh, and I'm calling Lightning Bolt and Fatal Push as well, maybe the FNM art for the latter.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Jund
    Quote from NZB2323 »
    I’ve been running 5 basic lands with a single FoR, and have liked my manabase.


    I'm not certain about the FoR in a deck that is so color intensive, especially since the return of BBE anf Bolt, but I'm starting to like the idea of running 5 basic lands and 25 lands overall for the first game, and simply siding out the Moutain or the second Forest, depending on the matchup.
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Abzan / The Rock
    Quote from layf »
    Did Paul Cheon's BG rock not run confidants AND flayers? Or did he just never draw them?


    You know, the deck lists are available here: https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-online/team-modern-super-league-decklists

    And that's correct, he ran neither. In fact, the list seems very different to anything that has come before. You have to remember one thing: it's not an open meta where you might run into a dozen different, unknown decks. They face only a handful of decks, and they have access to the decklists while playing. I believe the deck was built to attack control decks and decks with greedy or difficult mana bases.

    Here is the actual list:

    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Abzan Liege / Wilted Abzan / Liege Rhino
    Quote from necrosed »
    With Jund back to the spotlight I feel that this deck has the appropriate matchups to shine! Maybe I'll start brewing and playing with this again.


    I believe so as well, though I have not played this deck in any form yet, since I lack the Hierarchs. That said, half of my Abzan deck now needs a new home, and it seems to me that VoR, Lingering Souls, Loxodon Smiter and Kitchen Finks is a good way to attack both Control and Jund.
    Posted in: Developing Competitive (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jund
    I am watching the Team Modern Super League and Reid Duke was screwed out of red mana in the 2 games he lost to Paul Cheon's GBx Rock deck thanks to Field of Ruin. I believe a basic mountain is needed.
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Merfolk
    Quote from CTonyJab »
    Thinking about selling my foiled out Merfolk deck Frown Somebody talk me off this ledge!!! Frown


    Fish is relatively well positioned if Blue Control decks become the dominant player in Modern: having access to counterpells and Aether Vial negates a lot of their power. Also, Jund is moving away from Fatal Push, due to it being a worse hot off a BBE than Lightning Bolt, so Master of Waves should see a resurgence.

    An aggressive, go wide deck is exactly what you want right now.
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Abzan / The Rock
    Quote from Shaggy »
    Anguished Unmaking is a little bit more versatile than Hero’s Downfall. I like that Anguished Unmaking can take out an nonland permanent at instant speed. I was also thinking that Thrun will be good. I still have one in my board.


    Be aware that it does miss manlands. If Control pushes more deck to run manlands, it might be better to use Hero's Downfall.
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jund
    Quote from Spsiegel1987 »
    Quote from Hype_rion »
    Please don't take this article seriously: 2 Goyfs only, no Lili of the Veil...come on Ben.


    Oh, I think it was either satire or him really upset.

    I think there was some real truth to it. Obviously 2x Goyf and EE with BBE is a huge no no.

    But...I think something creative is going to happen with Jace and BBE.

    Did you guys see Saffron play Miracles last night? He played so tight, and the deck looked legit.


    Why are people hung up on only 2x Tarmogoyf on that list? There are NO Liliana of the Veil! The lists are not serious, but I believe the sentiment is, because I share it.

    I was building Mardu because it looked like a fun deck, not anymore. I was running Abzan and Jeskai Queller, not anymore. Ponza will be changed to Bloody Ponza, and Abzan will become Bloody Jund, because it makes no sense not to run 3-4x BBE in those colors. E&T and Merfolks might live, if they are fast and disruptive enough, but I have my doubts. I am pessimistic about diversity in modern from now on.

    Anyway, here is not the place to complain. Just my 2 cents about the article.
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on Merfolk
    Anyone else watching the Team Modern Super League right now? Merfolk just destroyed Bant Spirits, and is moving to its next opponent: https://www.twitch.tv/magic
    Posted in: Tier 2 (Modern)
  • posted a message on [Primer] RG Ponza / Modern Land Destruction
    I have to agree, Bloodbraid Elf just seems like pure gas for this deck:

    1) You cast it, it gets countered, you still get a free card (Cascade is a cast trigger).
    2) You hit a ramp spell, you get to your 5-6 mana finishers sooner, and are left with a 3/2 haste body.
    3) You hit a Blood Moon or a Stone Rain, it may be an automatic game win. If not, you have a threat.
    4) You hit a sideboard card (Anger of the gods, Trinisphere), it may be a win for you straight away.

    Of course, that means you avoid Bonfire of the Damned, but it was already out of my deck at this point.

    Oh, and the Team Modern Super League has one Blood Ponza deck. The other team is so scared of it, they voted it out of the league! Here are the decklists: https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-online/team-modern-super-league-decklists

    Posted in: Developing Competitive (Modern)
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from Shmanka »
    I know this is speculation, but I expect Fetchlands (*all 10) in Dominaria, and the Manlands in M25. With the resurging prices of both Bloodbraid Elf and Jace, the answer is to sell - but with other cards, we need to be very careful about how we analyze


    All 10 Fetchlands... when there are still fetch-able lands in Standard... Not happening. They learned their lessons in BFZ standard. We will see an Enemy cycle that will complete one of the Allied-only ones: probably the BFZ or SOI lands, or maybe the cycling Duals.

    They don't want to see fetchlands in Standard again, and they will only do this when they will be forced to due to low sales and low interest in Standard.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from jwf239 »
    Quote from Colt47 »
    Quote from jwf239 »
    I have the option of trading for a fetid heath or a celestial colonnade. My money is on the manlands being in M25 but I would not be shocked if they had the filter lands instead. Wondering what you guys think is the better target.


    You're making a choice between a card that only sees commander play at best and a card that sees widespread play across multiple formats. It isn't even going to matter if there is a reprinting, get the colonnade.


    Fair enough, I want both for modern, and I actually plan on using the heath more, but collonade has a much greater demand so even with a reprint it is probably the better decision.

    For what it's worth: if you had to put money on a rare duel land cycle in M25, what are you betting on?


    The Zendikar Manlands, I'm 90% certain at this point: will never be seen in Standard again due to power level, 2 are great to open, 1 is worth a booster. Filterlands are not worthy of a Masters set, Allied Fastlands are safe in Standard, Fetchlands were just reprinted (though their price warrants another print run).
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from jwf239 »
    I have the option of trading for a fetid heath or a celestial colonnade. My money is on the manlands being in M25 but I would not be shocked if they had the filter lands instead. Wondering what you guys think is the better target.


    Neither. The Zendikar manlands can only be reprinted in a Masters set due to their power level, and A25 seems to me like the best place for them. Filterlands are some of the weakest dual lands, and can be put in a Standard set easily. They see only marginal play and the only reason for their high prices is the very low supply.

    If you really have to, take Colonnade: it is played in Tier 1 and 2 decks (Jeskai, UW Control). Be warned that the price will go down when it is reprinted (and we all pretty much expect them in A25), but they will tick back up in the next few years. Look at Horizon Canopy's price curve to see what you can expect.

    Filterlands prices will crash when they are finally reprinted.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from Colt47 »
    Quote from SpinifexV »
    Quote from Colt47 »
    People are going to tear into M25 like vicious piranhas so definitely do not buy into Jace right now. In fact, now is the time to sell because that price is going to crash hard when the supply hits in March. I'd do the same with Bloodbraid elf.


    Crash hard? Did the price of Cavern of Souls, Snapcaster Mage or Liliana of the Veil crash hard after MM3? And that was in a Masters set with Fetchlands! Sure, 'goyf's price has come down since, but that was linked to the unpopularity of GBx decks far more than its reprinting. Jace might go back down a bit to $100-$120, but I seriously doubt it will ever go back down under $100, unless he sees numerous additional reprinting or he sees no play in Modern (unlikely).

    The prices of cards in high demand, printed at Mythic in a Masters set, only come down temporarily; they do not crash and they will go back up soon after.

    I do agree it's the time to sell though. I doubt it can reach $200.


    His price isn't going to be inflated to 120 dollars is what I'm trying to say. Selling him now and picking him up after the M25 is probably a safe thing to do because his price will likely come down to 80-90 dollars a card during the period shortly after the openings. Basically, sell Jace and buy the things that go with him that they just reprinted and likely aren't reprinting, since those aren't getting cheaper.


    He stands at $140-150 this morning, and I seriously doubt he will dip down under $100. He will be red hot for months at least. If you don't intend to play him, sell. If you can get over $100 (after fees), sure, you're not taking that huge risk. Otherwise, I would hold: you risk losing money and the potential gains are simply not worth it.

    Look at the prices for the MM3 Mythic staples: they were at the cheapest just before release. The volume of Mythic cards a Masters set injects into the market is remarkably low: players keep the ones they open more often than not.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from Colt47 »
    People are going to tear into M25 like vicious piranhas so definitely do not buy into Jace right now. In fact, now is the time to sell because that price is going to crash hard when the supply hits in March. I'd do the same with Bloodbraid elf.


    Crash hard? Did the price of Cavern of Souls, Snapcaster Mage or Liliana of the Veil crash hard after MM3? And that was in a Masters set with Fetchlands! Sure, 'goyf's price has come down since, but that was linked to the unpopularity of GBx decks far more than its reprinting. Jace might go back down a bit to $100-$120, but I seriously doubt it will ever go back down under $100, unless he sees numerous additional reprinting or he sees no play in Modern (unlikely).

    The prices of cards in high demand, printed at Mythic in a Masters set, only come down temporarily; they do not crash and they will go back up soon after.

    I do agree it's the time to sell though. I doubt it can reach $200.
    Posted in: Modern
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