This is what I'm planning on playing tomorrow at GP Birmingham. What do you think? http://imgur.com/a/QKC7q
I'm playing maindeck Wail because of GR Valakut and because of small creature decks in general. Should also help in the Affinity matchup
Ulamog says he wants into that 75 instead of the stack to the side. I'd listen to him, he's pretty big and if you don't I think he could probably smash your car and house and make life pretty miserable for you. He says take out the extra Wurmcoil and pop him into the SB and he won't have to do any of those things and may even bring you an ice cream cone.
I'd also look into a couple of Cavern of Souls possibly in the manabase then.
Tarmogoyf seems a bit weak here as well as I don't see a way to dump a lot of different card types into the GY. Maybe something with Evoke instead like Shriekmaw to give you a bit of removal, but then again with an Orb out it would be a non-bo. Maybe Scavenging Ooze to give you a way to battle GY strategies.
Would be nice to give yourself a way to have Haste. As it stands one of your heavy hitters is going to come out and that gives your opponent a lot of time for even sorcery speed removal. Fatal Push hits all your critters too.
Good luck and stick with it. I like to see new decks brewed up.
Warmachineprime, good to see you still on here! I fondly remember brewing and playing this deck during eldrazi winter and you were a large part of that! Cheers to a badass deck being built organically by the community.
I've been back on the deck recently and been loving it. GR Valakut is rather troubling and UW Control (land destruction heavy variants) are tough also. What have you, or anyone else, been doing in these matchups? I'm curious to see plans vs G/x Tron also. None of these feel unwinnable, i really just want information on maybeboard cards that arent in the stock list and sideboarding advice. There has been an influx of titanshift at my local shop lately and I can't let it go unchecked!
Much love to team tentacles!
Welcome back and glad you are enjoying it. The deck has changed quite a bit over its run. And I would think that if some decent artifacts come out in the future will continue to do so.
Haha, a few days ago I saw a weird deck using Eldrazi Mimics, tried it, hated it. Was hoping to see more turn 1 Mimics into turn 2 Reshapers, but it didn't happen much.
Mimic was great back when Eye of Ugin was legal. After that, it really doesn't have a place right now unless you want to rework the creatures and manabase to make it decent. I found that you had to run the ramp package of 4 Simian Spirit Guide and 3 Gemstone Caverns so you could drop Mimics turn 1 and TKS or Smashers Turn 2 with greater regularity. Reshapers got dropped in that list too and Karn as well(as he doesn't trigger Mimic). Its doable but not as good or consistent as the current configurations out there. Plus with one toughness, Mimic is far more vulnerable to removal than larger Eldrazi. If EoU ever comes back though, watch out.
I found it quite fitting that the 1/2 finish on August 6th corresponds with the 3rd anniversary of this deck which would eventually spawn what we know as EldraziTron now. Give it a look for kicks.
I'm sure others had brewed a colorless E-Tron deck before this, but this is the earliest I could find on this site that roughly fits our archetype. We've come a long way.
Nice to see Big U representing in the #1 and #2 finishers at SCG Syracuse.
I also predicted a while back that there would be some top ETron decks running 3 Karn as well. Well take a look at the #15 finish with 4 Karn maindeck. Yowzers!!!
Also, do you guys recommend keeping chalice on the play against affinity? I tried pascals sideboard plan against affinity and wasn't crazy about seeing chalice outside of turn 0
Anyone who's successful against the deck have any sideboard tips against affinity?
Oblivion Stone as a X2 can be fairly decent vs. Affinity.
Agreed. He is always going to go with the math as he is a Math teacher. Sometimes you have to go with an instinct and include something that may not be the mathematical correct choice. Again, prepare for your own meta.
That's just flat wrong. If the math unequivocally says a certain line is optimal, you just run with it. The correct counter-argument should be that the approximations made to come to the conclusions players espouse in scenarios as complex as those presented in Magic on a regular basis are never truly exact, so there's always a bit of wiggle room for interpretation. But going against certain math (in the rare cases that it exists) is just silly.
We have to disagree then. And I am not "wrong" either. I am not "right" as well. Its up to the individual to think and decide. There is a lot of luck involved in this game as well. Its good to have a bit of both Spock and Kirk in you. Math can only take you so far, then experience, intuition and plain old luck or even daring can take you that final step. Stevens isn't the end-all of EldraziTron. Its up to individual players to find their niche and their list and play it to its best. I keep the math in mind at all times, but I'd suggest open your game up with a little more "feeling" and you may see results you didn't think possible. Good luck.
But from what I've heard him say on the matter, it was not deduced mathematically but rather that he tested these cards initrally, and felt they were dead in his hand too often for comfort.
I'd be interested on how many times All is Dust has been dead in Stevens hand Game One while he's playing the mirror, Affinity or Lantern Control.
Stevens has a mathematical and analytical mind and it shows in his deck building and play. Nothing wrong with that. At some point he is going to go up against the mirror that just goes right over the top of him with some of the "big boys/girls" he refuses to play with. I just don't want to see every E-Tron list look like a net deck of Stevens list. Find what works for you and refine it.
In the end, experience and intuition are probably the best tools that we have for deciding whether or not to play such cards. Or you could just follow what others who heavily test do, and leverage their experience and intuition.
Wise words. Find your path, use your mind and instinct, practice it and go from there.
Todd Stevens isn't a god, but I do value his opinion a lot in modern, and especially on this deck. He doesn't feel Ulamog or Ugin are truly playable, and people are more nostalgic about the games they did win with those huge bombs.
Don't sell those 2 cards short in the mirror match though. Having them in the SB can tip the balance in your favor facing a lot of E-Tron in your meta. I respect Stevens, but his build isn't the "final form". Plan for your meta.
I think Todd is a bit too wary of high mana costed cards in the deck.
Agreed. He is always going to go with the math as he is a Math teacher. Sometimes you have to go with an instinct and include something that may not be the mathematical correct choice. Again, prepare for your own meta.
Should add some swords. Protection from green and blue looks good here. Would also consider war and peace. Or fire and ice.
I've thought about it and will keep it in mind. I do feel you need to keep the creature count up for Collected Company and reducing that count with enchantments, instants and artifacts can be counter productive. Pulling the 4 CoCo's could enable a different direction for the deck for sure.
Modern is large. It's a lot to learn and remember. It is expensive if you want multiple decks. People will enjoy a format that is far smaller, and not as intensive to learn.
Its called Standard.
Modern isn't going anywhere for the foreseeable future. It has high interest and decent support through Wizards. A new sanctioned constructed format would just cannabalize sales from either Modern, Standard or both. It could happen someday, but that day is far into the future.
Lastly, I think we may need a mod to step in as this is veering off the Modern Prices track.
WarMachine i do not think that Westvale Abbey is actually good enough. But all i wanted to get through is that a card similar to Abbey is a possiblity. But more then anything i think that an Westvale(Eldrazi Tron build) Would be more of a metagame Call if anything, but as a general idea i do not think that it is good enough, unless we somehow get better or newer eldrazi Cards in the futre that Works better With Westvale or gives Westvale an advantage over other lands or Creatures in the decks as of right now.
Yes. At this time it is far too difficult to get 5 creatures on the board to sack and if we have 5 creatures on the board, we don't want to sack them anyway. I think what you may be trying to hint at is that there could be a flex land spot for a man-land. Search through the thread and you will find some that have been suggested. Competitive E-Tron lists aren't running any (man-lands) right now, but of course that could change. One of these days I'm going to run Dread Statuary to test it. There are others that seem better though. Good luck.
Ulamog says he wants into that 75 instead of the stack to the side. I'd listen to him, he's pretty big and if you don't I think he could probably smash your car and house and make life pretty miserable for you. He says take out the extra Wurmcoil and pop him into the SB and he won't have to do any of those things and may even bring you an ice cream cone.
Move Not of this World to the sideboard, frees up 2 slots. Drop Boldwyr Heavyweights frees up 4 more and go +4 Noble Hierarch and +2 Birds of Paradise.
I'd also look into a couple of Cavern of Souls possibly in the manabase then.
Tarmogoyf seems a bit weak here as well as I don't see a way to dump a lot of different card types into the GY. Maybe something with Evoke instead like Shriekmaw to give you a bit of removal, but then again with an Orb out it would be a non-bo. Maybe Scavenging Ooze to give you a way to battle GY strategies.
Would be nice to give yourself a way to have Haste. As it stands one of your heavy hitters is going to come out and that gives your opponent a lot of time for even sorcery speed removal. Fatal Push hits all your critters too.
Good luck and stick with it. I like to see new decks brewed up.
Welcome back and glad you are enjoying it.
Mimic was great back when Eye of Ugin was legal. After that, it really doesn't have a place right now unless you want to rework the creatures and manabase to make it decent. I found that you had to run the ramp package of 4 Simian Spirit Guide and 3 Gemstone Caverns so you could drop Mimics turn 1 and TKS or Smashers Turn 2 with greater regularity. Reshapers got dropped in that list too and Karn as well(as he doesn't trigger Mimic). Its doable but not as good or consistent as the current configurations out there. Plus with one toughness, Mimic is far more vulnerable to removal than larger Eldrazi. If EoU ever comes back though, watch out.
Thanks. I think there is room for Ulamog/Ugin lists and Stevens-like lists then. Shows the resiliency and flexibility of our deck.
Was he on E-Tron or something else? I face a lot of Affinity, so I know the feeling.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/deck-creation-modern/567747-modern-eldrazi-tron
I'm sure others had brewed a colorless E-Tron deck before this, but this is the earliest I could find on this site that roughly fits our archetype. We've come a long way.
I also predicted a while back that there would be some top ETron decks running 3 Karn as well. Well take a look at the #15 finish with 4 Karn maindeck. Yowzers!!!
http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/deckshow.php?&t[CT1]=1&t[CT2]=28&start_date=08/04/2017&end_date=08/06/2017&start=1&finish=32&event_ID=47&city=Syracuse&limit=50
Out of curiosity, what was Todd Stevens running at this event (if he was there) and where did he finish?
Oblivion Stone as a X2 can be fairly decent vs. Affinity.
We have to disagree then. And I am not "wrong" either. I am not "right" as well. Its up to the individual to think and decide. There is a lot of luck involved in this game as well. Its good to have a bit of both Spock and Kirk in you. Math can only take you so far, then experience, intuition and plain old luck or even daring can take you that final step. Stevens isn't the end-all of EldraziTron. Its up to individual players to find their niche and their list and play it to its best. I keep the math in mind at all times, but I'd suggest open your game up with a little more "feeling" and you may see results you didn't think possible. Good luck.
I'd be interested on how many times All is Dust has been dead in Stevens hand Game One while he's playing the mirror, Affinity or Lantern Control.
Stevens has a mathematical and analytical mind and it shows in his deck building and play. Nothing wrong with that. At some point he is going to go up against the mirror that just goes right over the top of him with some of the "big boys/girls" he refuses to play with. I just don't want to see every E-Tron list look like a net deck of Stevens list. Find what works for you and refine it.
Wise words. Find your path, use your mind and instinct, practice it and go from there.
Don't sell those 2 cards short in the mirror match though. Having them in the SB can tip the balance in your favor facing a lot of E-Tron in your meta. I respect Stevens, but his build isn't the "final form". Plan for your meta.
Agreed. He is always going to go with the math as he is a Math teacher. Sometimes you have to go with an instinct and include something that may not be the mathematical correct choice. Again, prepare for your own meta.
I've thought about it and will keep it in mind. I do feel you need to keep the creature count up for Collected Company and reducing that count with enchantments, instants and artifacts can be counter productive. Pulling the 4 CoCo's could enable a different direction for the deck for sure.
Its called Standard.
Modern isn't going anywhere for the foreseeable future. It has high interest and decent support through Wizards. A new sanctioned constructed format would just cannabalize sales from either Modern, Standard or both. It could happen someday, but that day is far into the future.
Lastly, I think we may need a mod to step in as this is veering off the Modern Prices track.
Yes. At this time it is far too difficult to get 5 creatures on the board to sack and if we have 5 creatures on the board, we don't want to sack them anyway. I think what you may be trying to hint at is that there could be a flex land spot for a man-land. Search through the thread and you will find some that have been suggested. Competitive E-Tron lists aren't running any (man-lands) right now, but of course that could change. One of these days I'm going to run Dread Statuary to test it. There are others that seem better though. Good luck.