It's usually the smelly ones who don't notice it. It also appears that you don't notice sarcasm either. Poor little guy.
TLDR: When you're butthurt about people being butthurt about other people being butthurt, you're just an idiot.
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Nov 8, 2015Joban8 posted a message on The Magic Street Journal: How to Handle "That Guy"Posted in: Articles
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Nov 6, 2015Joban8 posted a message on The Magic Street Journal: How to Handle "That Guy"Posted in: ArticlesQuote from Klamsmith »This isn't a platform for your victim complex. The article was fine until the phrase "The elephant in the room is women and minorities playing Magic in unwelcoming areas" where your article turns into the great plight facing women in gaming. Three of my good magic friends are homosexual we play magic at three different venues regularly. There are several female regulars we see and play with as well and if someone says something degrading to them they wouldn't hesitate to call them out on it, they don't expect a white knight to save them. The thing is "That Guy" is already reguarded as an a-hole wherever he is. Stereotypes exist thats the cold hard truth it's your job to change that perspective. This article shouldn't be about what I have to do as a player if I see BS I'm calling BS on someone acting like an a-hole. It shouldn't be about what a judge should do or what a store owner should do they already understand what needs to be done. It should be about helping women change that stigma of "just being there for their boyfriend" and "not understanding how to play". My wife plays magic with me as well the only time anyone said anything to her was two years ago when she boomerranged a guys first and second attempt at putting a land into play at fnm. Who just ended up rage quitting and leaving the store after she called him out. So yes magic has a number of "That Guys" who are the internet trolls of real life and the number one rule is don't feed the trolls.
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Bravo, my friend. This starting off fairly interesting until it turned into a soap box for political correctness. "That" guy certainly exists, but it's not a given that all ********s are racist/sexist/transphobic/other labels that you're trying to push. Stereotypes exist and they're not going away. I'm a man who's dating a transgender woman, but I don't get butthurt when we play with our group of friends and they crack an off-color joke every now and then. It's called humor and it's a two-way street; she gets in on the banter and gives it right back. I completely understand that when you're playing at an FNM or casual event with new players, these kinds of comments and jokes are uncalled for and simply make you an ********. However, in the comfort of your own playgroup, with people you know, what's the problem? Because chances are that if a player can't take a mild joke then they're not somebody I'd want in my playgroup. Everybody has their own insecurities and joking about them with others is a great way to find acceptance. You want to write a piece about social problems affecting LGSs? Investigate the poor hygiene that's exhibited by, unfortunately, a large number of players; I find that to be a much more influential factor affecting the experiences of new players...unless of course it's rude to stereotype people who suffer from alblutophobia? - To post a comment, please login or register a new account.
IMO, Sylvan Library would perfectly slot into Modern and do more good helping raise up certain lower tier decks than bad. I'm aware that comparing a card's power through the strict lens of Modern vs Legacy doesn't always paint a representative picture, however, I'm going to do so anyway. AFAIK, there's no legacy deck that runs SL because of its abuse potential; the decks that do play it rarely run more than one in their 75. It's an excellent card for decks desperate for CA, yet functions in a way so that you never really want nor benefit from having multiple copies in play. If it were added to Modern, the only deck I can see trying to abuse it would be something like BG Shadow. Even then, I'm not sure they would even want it considering the plethora of cheaper options which they currently use to eat away at their life total; curious to hear what someone who plays the deck thinks about it.
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Agreed, but that same logic works both ways; sell too early and you're just leaving money on the table. In regards to zen fetches, it's just common sense. What're the odds they'll be reprinted between now and MH spoiler season? Nearly 0%. Is there reason to believe demand will cease between now and then? Negative. Based on the all-time highs for each card, excluding Tarn, the average growth needed just to approach those all-time highs is about 36%; since we know what people have been willing to pay in the past, we're not blindly watching their value increase with no reasonable expectations for a ceiling value. Therefore, if you wanted to sell your zen fetches while both maximizing profit and minimizing risk, the week before MH spoilers is a logical time to do so. That's just being conservative; there's a good chance that MH will only push demand further post-release and we could see prices climb well throughout the Summer into Fall.
They do; they know 250 legacy/built-for-modern cards will be dumped into the format three months from now. Any qualms with the format will fall on deaf ears, because the announcement of MH included an expiratory date being slapped onto the lifespan of the current meta. Since 2015, roughly 1/3 of the discussion in this thread has been empty rhetoric about the banning of one single card and how that incident is the root cause for all things ***** in Modern. Thus, it's reasonable to argue that any complaints regarding perceived issues with the present format are irrelevant until we see what happens in t-minus three months when Modern is blasted in the ass with not one, but 250 new cards.
Serra's Sanctum would be the bee's knees, but it's a no-go so long as the reserve list exists.
Guessing what new cards we could get is pointless, but we can still look at some interesting non-RL cards that could potentially be ported over from Legacy, in addition to Sterling Grove and other mentioned previously:
Think back over the last 3-5 years of Modern and recall all the instances when the addition/removal of a single card/new-found strategy impacted the format (e.g. Death's Shadow, Twin/Pod ban, Dredge-enablers, Hollow One, Arclight, Push, etc); now extrapolate that to include 250 cards coming directly from Legacy's card pool or designed specifically with Modern's power level in mind. Even if 200 of those cards end up being draft fodder and/or "unplayable", we're still looking at a major meta shakeup post-horizons.
This is a great point. There's no doubt that paper legacy has some sort of effect on the price of cards that see play in both formats, but I would have to agree that the influence is far less than what its made out to be. My LGS is the "go to" store for regional players seeking competition and/or PPTQs; FNMS typically fire with a combined average 70-80 players between Modern/Standard, variable 20-40 players for Saturday Modern, and 10-12 for Legacy (held once a month). Now this is purely anecdotal, but I mention it as I believe the store has a solid representation of players who participate in a variety of formats; I know there are certain stores known for their excellent Legacy player bases, but I also know there are many more who don't/can't support it at all.
IMO, Legacy's effect on the paper prices of something like enemy fetches is rooted less in actual play and more so in "street cred". That is to say, prices of Modern staples with the qualifier, "Sees play in Legacy", are often perceived to hold more inherent value regardless of how many copies actually exist in decks of Legacy players. I don't know how one would go about compiling data to show the true impact of paper Legacy on the market, but it'd certainly be interesting to see how it actually breaks down. I've always just compared it to the concept of price memory regarding reprints and how consumers perceive value. .
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if I found out there were more copies of Tarn currently among all EDH decks than that of all Legacy decks.
For those who remember what the market looked like when KTK was about to rotate out of Standard, think about which ally fetches were most expensive at the time and which ones folks considered to be the "best investments": Polluted Delta & Flooded Strand. The reasoning for this always circled back to blue being the most played color in Legacy; that perceived value skewed market prices such that Delta & Strand had an inflated premium while the other three (until the Windswept Heath Clash Pack debacle) remained stable throughout their time in Standard up until KTK stopped production and the market adjusted to reflect actual demand. So much regret looking at all those months when Mires were like eight bucks lol.
IMO the difference between the two is staggering. So much so that I wouldn't be surprised if we got a brand new card from Horizons with a power level set in-between the two. OtA is something a lot of folks wanted to make work in the deck (and some bold souls continue to do so based on various tourney lists), but a 2cmc sorcery speed aura tutor is just awful in a deck where you're often forced to work with limited mana. Save for some sort of utility aura needed to get you out of a pinch, OtA is almost always Daybreak #5, so best case scenario is you hit all your land drops and have a suited up bogle in play with >1 auras attached on T4 w/ OtA in-hand and need Daybreak to closeout the game.
Enlightened Tutor can get you there a turn earlier under perfect conditions as it can be played on opponent's EoT. If we can't play it on our opponent's turn, a Horizon Canopy can get it into our hand once searched up. And what really separates the two IMO is that ET can go get any of our enchantments, rather than auras alone; this allows it to be played both offensively to dig up an aura or defensively to find one of our SB cards as needed. I think ET would do wonders in helping to increase our consistency and/or unlock the option for a tool-box style build and is a card that'd almost always be relevant in any given matchup.
However, despite the likelihood that ET would be a fair addition to Bogles, I ultimately believe we won't get it due to various other decks where tutoring up an artifact could lead to degeneracy. The power level of enchantments in Modern is paltry enough to where ET would be more than reasonable if it only let players find enchantments, unfortunately, I don't believe WotC would be comfortable dumping a 1cmc artifact tutor into the format. Therefore, I wouldn't be surprised if one of the new Horizons cards were some sort of amalgamation between the two cards; something along the lines of:
W - instant - Tutor up an enchantment, shuffle, and place on top of you lib (IMO this would still be conservative power-level wise; I don't think directly adding it to your hand would be broken considering the power level of both enchantments and white in Modern).
@JonConnor I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiment that the need for a Horizons card is needed simply to not fall behind. This is actually the predominate reason why I think we'll get something of use. WotC has previously stated their desire to help out white and bolster that part of the color pie; that along with the lack of Modern enchantments-matter strategies make me believe we have a good shot at getting something useful.
On the whole, I'm still optimistic that WotC realizes Sylvan Library would be acceptable in Modern and unleash it into the format.
OK, so what can we expect? Because thus far you've just been saying why things won't happen instead of reasoning a realistic alternative. I neither want nor think any of what I suggested should happen; hence why I reasoned it would make sense based on the information we have. If we're talking wants, I want Modern Masters 2019. But that's not happening, so we must look at plausible alternatives aaaaand now we've come full circle.
In other news, it appears that enemy fetches have been the only ones to move post-MH announcement. Aside from Bloodstained Mire, every ally fetch can still be had for under $20 USD. Thanks to Shocks getting their third reprint, anyone needing fetches for a modern build can still get away with using allied fetches exclusively, save for the handful of corner cases where consistency makes a considerable difference.
I suppose we'll agree to disagree. The bottom line is that enemy fetches will continue to climb until reprinted in a set/supplemental product that allows a sizable number of copies to enter the market. Reprinting fetches again as lotto cards would do literally nothing for the regular copies. If they're not going to be in a standard/print to demand set, then they'll have to be in another product that will assure enough copies enter the market. This is where Commander makes sense as a reprint outlet. Sure, it could be viewed as "apology", but the main purpose would be to reprint enough copies of fetches in a product that will sell well and enough to where it won't be an issue for another 2-3 years.
The first wave of Commander decks ran into problems for a variety of reasons; the problem of buyouts/logistics shouldn't be a worry for a 2019 COmmander set including fetches. WotC knows that would sell a ***** ton of decks and thus they would print a ***** ton of decks. The price-point is irrelevant; it costs the same to print fetches as it does basic lands; the reprint equity theory only holds up if WotC has a product in mind in which to include those reprints. Aside from regular block sets, Commander is arguably the strongest selling product they have and thus the next best vehicle for reprinting fetches, assuming the goal is to increase supply. Windswept Heath got a reprint in that random Clash Pack that flew off the shelves, so there's a precedent for shoehorning fetches into supplemental products. However, rather than dumping them into some ***** product nobody would buy otherwise, reprinting them in commander would boost sales of an already desirable product and actually makes sense from a flavor perspective. Like I said, I could be wrong, but without them being in Horizons, I don't see an option that would be a better alternative, save for another Standard reprinting.