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  • posted a message on [Primer] G/W Auras (Bogle)
    Gross.

    Back to playing two Dryad Arbor in the 75?
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
  • posted a message on [Primer] G/W Auras (Bogle)
    Ravnica at War. Gross.
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from pierrebai »
    Quote from Joban8 »

    That's 24 Modern-relevant reprints from an entire set dedicated to Modern and 225 cards that are either draft chaff or irrelevant to competitive Modern. That's far from an efficient reprint strategy; WotC's comments regarding their ability to reprint more Modern staples across X amount of misc supplemental sets, products, etc seem much more reasonable considering they have two years worth of products in which they would have to scatter those 24 reprints across.


    1. Given the number of rares and mythics in a set, that's actually a fair number. There are only so many common staples.
    2. MM and other product never were at odds except in Wizards' twisted rethoric. Printing staples in one product never did prevent printing differnet staples in another.
    3. Wizards has vowed to reprint cards in normal products repeatedly, while failing to do so in meaningful numbers.


    1. That number includes cards like Vines of Vastwood, Mutagenic Growth, Mirran Crusader, Bolt, Swans of Bryn Argoll, etc; I tried to be generous by including anything that might've been in a tournament list within the last 4 years, including Twin. And exactly; the fact that there are only so many common/uncommon staples is a great example for why dedicating an entire set to the purpose of reprinting 24 Modern-relevant cards is less efficient than jamming those cards into other products over the same 2 year time span and use that R&D on something else, Like Modern Horizons.
    2. & 3. As mentioned, what WotC recently promised and whether or not we should accept it at face value is a whole conversation unto itself. WotC hasn't given me much reason to defend them in recent years, so I rarely do, but I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt on this one. Charging players more money for less cardboard is a profitable gig, and since I find it hard to believe WotC just doesn't like easy money, it makes sense to think there's some truth to their logic.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Yeah, Kalitas has been criminally undervalued in Modern since it was printed; I'm still surprised it took this long though.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from Colt47 »
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    Quote from KTROJAN »
    Quote from Timba »
    Why didnt wizards print Modern Masters 2019?
    Thats so stupid of them imo
    They could sell modern staples at $10 per piece of paper
    Now players complain and counterfeiters get a free season of printing Jace, Opal, Liliana, fetches and so on

    I think horizons will bring them more money than another masters set easily. If even 2 new cards are staples in modern that’ll be enough to sell tons of packs as it’s the only way to get them.

    i dunno, i dont think there is enough information about production costs to make this assumption. choosing a set of reprints-only adhering to some theme seems quite a bit easier than designing entirely new cards and testing them. horizons will cost more than standard sets with a premium attached, but still falls short of the ludicrous margins masters had despite (or maybe because) of their 'limited print' nature.

    as for the original question, the simple and reductive answer is that the masters series wasnt sustainable. too many competing interests, and the product either had to adapt or move aside for something new.


    They're bringing it back. Wizards of the Coast has a very predictable pattern with how they do things: Find a successful something, and then do it until people are so sick of it that they start turning into raving lunatics on social media and have to cart out some new popular voice of reason to tell everyone they are fixing things. Then they "fix magic" and proceed to run the new direction into the ground. Grin

    There is just too much untapped potential in modern and commander cards to not cash in on it. They are just making a strategic retreat to let the market settle down and recover from the insanity printing levels they did the last few years.


    Whether or not we should take the comments at face value or not is a different conversation, but they've already stated how MM did more to suppress Modern reprints than promote them and going forward they'll be able to reprint more Modern staples now that MM is decommissioned. Folks keep asking how will they be able to reprint Modern cards without a Modern Masters set every 2 years, which seems like a legitimate concern at first glance, but if we look back to the set lists as a whole, we can clearly see how inefficient they were.

    Using MM15 as an example, 249 cards were in the set and as of today there are 48 cards currently worth more than $1. Out of those 48 cards, less than half are Modern staples or see fringe Modern play; the other half are holding value due to Legacy or EDH play. That's 24 Modern-relevant reprints from an entire set dedicated to Modern and 225 cards that are either draft chaff or irrelevant to competitive Modern. That's far from an efficient reprint strategy; WotC's comments regarding their ability to reprint more Modern staples across X amount of misc supplemental sets, products, etc seem much more reasonable considering they have two years worth of products in which they would have to scatter those 24 reprints across.

    IMO, Modern's mana base is the only major obstacle to this sort of reprint strategy, namely fetch lands. However, I wouldn't be surprised to see enemy fetches show up in a future Standard set despite how problematic that may be; if Arena continues to perform well despite the inevitable clunkers of standard set(s) then I can see WotC caring much less about how fetch lands/shuffling affect gameplay.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
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    Quote from Joban8 »
    Still, 7th isn't anything to snuff at; congrats. What were you playing?

    Sneak Show in Legacy. Really wanted the Underground Sea...


    Same. Gotta get ready for eternal weekend!

    Misty rainforest is showing a $5 drop on MtgGoldfish. I'm not that surprised, as that color combination doesn't see a ton of play in any format. I think it was an attempt to go "oh blue fetch, spike it."


    It’s not even a question of ‘spike blue’ anymore, it’s ‘spike everything but white’.

    The bottom two in value of the opposing five are the white ones. The bottom two in value of the allied five are the white ones. Yes, even the white blue one, is below two other non blue ones.


    True; I've picked up way more copies of Windswept Heath over the last 3 years than I'd like to admit. Hard to pass them up when ONS copies can be had for $15 and KTK for $11 as recent as a week ago. Arguably the least desirable fetch next to Marsh Flats, but it can't stay sub-$20 forever...or at least that's what I've been telling myself since KTK rotated out of Standard...
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Still, 7th isn't anything to snuff at; congrats. What were you playing?
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from The Fluff »
    Bloodstained Mire is the highest among the khans fetch lands.

    I hope I made the right decision. I took Snapcaster Mage from Innistrad over 2 Bloodstained Mire from Khans for my 7th place choice yesterday. I was assuming it was

    1. Snapcaster Mage - $55
    2. 2 Bloodstained Mire - $25 X 2 = $50

    How badly did I rip myself one?


    Will you be playing the Snappy? IMO, I would've done the same had I needed to buy a Snappy to finish a deck, but if it was a pure financial decision I would've gone with the Mires. Unless WotC announces some product containing fetchland reprints, it's looking like conditions will be ripe for the more played allied fetches to see $10-20+ spikes in the months following Horizons. We're almost 5 years out since Khans and there's a non-zero chance that Horizons will generate increased/new interest in the format; with enemy fetches reaching absurd highs and allied fetches already identified as cheaper alternatives, that gap will continue to close with increased demand. I don't think it's a reach to think that out of the ~200 new cards coming from Horizons there will be a new land cycle that functions in such a way to where the average deck would need/want to play less fetches; aside from a surprise reprint announcement, this is the only other scenario I can think of where prices wouldn't spike following Horizons.

    EDIT: Holy *****. Totally missed Misty Rainforest spiking to w/in $20 of Tarns
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    I've seen Invocation Threads of Disloyalty as low as 13€ on MCM. I've got no particular interest them, but they seem super cheap, and not bad at all since they can take a Shadow, a TiTi or a Goyf (lol). Also Shatterstorm is around 20€, and I might get some for Storm to swap for some number of Abrade and other things for the Whir Prison and Affinity matchups. What do you think?

    They seem like pretty solid pickups. I've seen them low as well and was considering them my damn self. If I hadn't spent way too much on Magic in the past few months, I'd probably get a go at it (meanwhile I probably will spend elsewhere, lol).


    I only started to pick up a few of the Amonkhet/Hour of Devastation Invocations within the last year, after all the lottery cards were pumped and dumped last April. The relevant Expeditions/Masterpieces ended up stabilizing, but the Invocations absolutely tanked after that. I recall selling a Choke and Counterbalance for ~$100 each and re-buying them for ~$25/ea a few months later. When I noticed the majority of Invocations weren't rebounding, I started to pick up copies of anything relevant to Modern/eternal formats that was still sitting under $30, so I ended up with playsets of Entomb, Slaughter Pact, Boil, Chain Lightning, and Shatterstorm, Threads of Disloyalty, Divert, plus some odds and ends.

    IMO, there are still quite a few under priced Invocations from Hour of Devastation, especially when you consider WotC terminated the print run early. Yeah, the frames and hieroglyphics are awful, but from a sheer rarity standpoint I'm surprised there are still a handful of them under $20. Solid upside for not much risk.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    I suppose we're just putting our heads down at the dinner table pretending daddy didn't just hit mommy....

    Something like D&T could be just one Containment Priest-esque card away from being a T1 deck in the post-horizons meta game, which would arguably result in the effective policing of decks like Phoexix/Dredge. That's just one possibility once 250 new cards are infused into Modern. Let's not be prisoners of the moment, folks; the current meta will be just another blip on the Magic timeline once mid June rolls around.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    Any significant changes to the meta via bans prior to June 14 would be highly unlikely. Again, 250+ new cards will be dumped into the format and the meta will absolutely change as a result. Instilling a ban now would be as useful as re-roofing a house scheduled for demolition.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on [Primer] G/W Auras (Bogle)
    Once there were at least 5 players running phoenix at my LGS, I started playing Surgicals; 1 MB and 2 SB have been treating me well overall, however, TITI is still a problem as it's fairly difficult to get one in the yard.
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Interesting choice of inclusions. I imagined they would've made each deck at least two colors, so they could've jammed in some shocks in more than just one deck. Also surprised to see Arclight; that plus the copies of Sulfur Falls alone make it the deck that's most likely to fly off shelves first, the copies of Chart a Course are the cherry on top. Other than that, I agree with the above comments; I was almost sure they'd print at least one copy each of Teferi AND Search for Azcanta among the 4 decks, however, I can see why they'd be hesitant to include Teferi considering its % meta share at the time.

    The vibrant packaging for the mono-white deck will put an end to the guessing game of how long they've been sitting on the shelf once the dust starts to collect...
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    Quote from SaltySips »
    Please, let‘s not discuss *that* topic again - the conversation gets destructive very fast and nobody seems to gain anything out of it.

    As much as I‘d like to see Sylvan Library in Modern, with Ancient Stirrings being criticised whenever some colourless deck does well I‘d seriously doubt that we‘ll get such a toy in green.


    That's because drawing stirrings is almost always a good thing for those decks until they have tron online. Drawing into multiple Sylvan Libraries would be brutal assuming your opponent isn't running enchantment hate; 4 life per card is a hefty price in a format where mana bases are largely composed of fetches and shocks. I honestly think it wouldn't only be underpowered in Modern, but underplayed as well. Aside from brews/decks in green with no other source of CA, what current deck would play it and furthermore, what deck would want to play more than 1 - 2 copies max?

    I haven't read the comments from Maro, but I'd like to do so if anybody has the link handy. I could certainly see the brand new cards adhering to color pie norms, but knowing a chunk of the set will be ported over from legacy's card pool, I'd be surprised if "conforms to color pie" was a major deciding factor for whether or not those cards were chosen/excluded. WotC announcing MH would include reprints pre-8th ed was the first step toward the sort of "legacy-lite" format folks have described in the past; the extent to which that is true will seemingly depend on how many of these reprints are noteworthy cards in legacy. Aside from gameplay factors, the inclusion of cards like a Sylvan Library would go a long way to ensure MH has perceived value from the get-go. They can re-print all the Counterspells, Daze, etc they'd like for Modern, but dirt-cheap reprints won't sell pack and neither will unproven/untested cards (at least during the early stages when players are still figuring out whats actually relevant). Don't get me wrong, I'd be delighted if MH boxes are the same price as a standard set box, but that's unlikely to be the case. Making sure X amount of the reprints are legacy staples with modest-solid value is a sensical business decision that would help to ensure MH sales figures meet expectations; there has to be something among the set of uncertainty that would justify the premium/semi-premium price point of boosters/boxes.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from GPash »
    Quote from Joban8 »
    R.I.P. Glimmervoid
    R.I.P. Tendo Ice Bridge


    I noticed Glimmervoid's price plummeting. Why are these cards dropping so hard?


    Glimmervoid took a punch in gut from Spire of Industry's printing and Aether Hub is a strictly better Tendo Ice Bridge
    Posted in: Modern
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