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Trazaeth posted a message on [MH1] Modern Horizons Discussion ThreadThis set is basically a standard set. Futuresight 2.0.Posted in: Modern -
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Spsiegel1987 posted a message on [MH1] Modern Horizons Discussion ThreadI'm absolutely glued to this spoiler season so I can say, "SEE, I TOLD YOU SO!" to absolutely ******* nobody; it's actually quite unhealthy. I'm not usually expecting much if anything from spoilers and sets, but WOTC and the community have hyped this set up so much as being a second coming that I expected my archetype not to be fed hot garbage.Posted in: Modern
Like, as of now, Jund, Rock, Shadow have still received nothing. Abzan received a card, but Abzan has so many fundamental issues as of now it doesn't matter. I also think Kara's Guile is more of an esper card not Abzan. God knows the 3 drop slot in that deck is already filled with too much.
I just want a god damn good card, and so far most of Tuesday's big spoilers is already done with. So far Yawgmoth and a 3/3 undead dude isn't doing it. Neither is an unplayable snow deluge (not enough product).
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MatsT posted a message on [Primer] G/W Auras (Bogle)Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
We can't afford to play any colorless lands so this would have to go in a spell slot and it doesn't really seem worth it. We're quite limited on mana so very difficult to return something and play it in the same turn even. Just way too slow and don't see many cases where this would win you a game where a powerful aura like Unflinching Courage wouldn't do better.Quote from Joban8 »So it's Academy Ruins for enchantments, thoughts?
Not fun to see in your opening hand, but maybe it has a place in the SB?
Also new removal spell:
Could potentially be interesting if you want more removal spells than 4 Path to Exile. Only working if you fetch a basic land is a bit awkward though, so who knows. Also not great against Ghost Quarter or other basic land destruction. -
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Slowgod posted a message on [MH1] Modern Horizons Discussion ThreadI haven't seen anything that helps with graveyard strategies yet, like I thought Containment Priest was a pretty sure include in this set, but maybe there will still be something like it? There's about 2 white cards that seem somewhat worth playing so far.Posted in: Modern -
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Spsiegel1987 posted a message on [MH1] Modern Horizons Discussion ThreadGod, based off these black cards revealed in the spoilers midrange was definitely not in mind when horizon was being created.Posted in: Modern
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Raptorchan posted a message on 5/28 Mothership Spoilers Endling, Future Sight, Throes of ChaosPosted in: The Rumor Mill -
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BlazingRagnarok posted a message on [MH1] Modern Horizons Discussion ThreadPosted in: ModernQuote from Ym1r »Nether Spirit reprint! This brings back memories of when I couldn't comprehend as a kid how you win with a stupid 2/2 creature and a bunch of spells! Now I only want Nantuko Shade and Cabal Coffers!
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Pedro Rocha posted a message on [Primer] G/W Auras (Bogle)Posted in: Aggro & TempoQuote from Joban8 »So it's Academy Ruins for enchantments, thoughts?
Not fun to see in your opening hand, but maybe it has a place in the SB?
I’ve been testing 2x Noxious Revival in SB and I can tell you it was great in many matches. This land can make exactly the same effect and can’t be countered... will be probably very useful in a future metagame where opponents can destroy our auras at instant speed without paying any mana. -
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Lectrys posted a message on [MH1] Modern Horizons Discussion ThreadCrashing Footfalls is green Ancestral Rhinos, complete with 1-mana Suspend 4. Once it's finally cast, you get 2 4/4 green Rhino creature tokens with Trample. Will people want to Cascade this out early? Or will people Suspend it the fair way?Posted in: Modern
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You mean that cards like Archmage's Charm Ranger-Captain of Eos, Force of Negation, Giver of runes, Fact or Fiction, Prohibit, Scale Up, Lava Dart, Wrenn and Six, Fallen Shinobi, Eladamri's Call, Ice-Fang Coatl, and Mox Tantalite, and that's just from the top of my head, are not maindeckable?Quote from Aeonsz »I understand that many of you will disagree, but I have yet to see a single main deck playable level card spoiled from MH1, excluding the slivers and the canopy land cycle.
Yes, I meant that none of those seem maindeckable in today's modern metagame.
I may be wrong, as some of them seem borderline playable (maybe as a 1-2 of), but that's my initial assessment.
Your assessments are bad then. Lava dart is a big upgrade for phoenix decks, Scale up is a nice upgrade for infect at a minimum.
From my testing, the only Phoenix deck Lava Dart is a big upgrade for is Mono-Red Phoenix, which plays 8 Prowess creatures, really appreciates the ability to enable Spectacle (on Light Up the Stage) on two separate turns, and often plays at least 1 Bedlam Reveler that can discard it. As much as Thought Scour can mill Lava Dart in UR Phoenix, as much as Lava Dart flips Thing in the Ice faster, and as much as casting and flashing back Lava Dart when another Lava Dart is in the yard turns on Pyromancer Ascension by itself, Lava Dart didn't feel that much more powerful than any other burn spell in UR Phoenix. -
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tronix posted a message on [MH1] Modern Horizons Discussion ThreadPosted in: Modern
not really. it has a lot of cool stuff going on, and the complexity with all the mechanics showing up is nice. however gotta remember that we see these things as long-time enfranchised players. people playing standard, many of which are new and or are from arena, wouldnt get the references or the same sense of nostalgia. the set is very time spiral-esque, but there is a reason that wizards considered time spiral a failure on their part.Quote from Lord Seth »Am I the only one who, when looking at this set, think "man, I really wish this was a Standard set"?
i do wish it costed as much as a standard set. the arbitrary price hike was absurd from the start, and nothing ive seen spoiled has changed that opinion. - To post a comment, please login or register a new account.
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Whenever I list cards on eBay I'll undercut TCGplayer lows with the BIN price and generally accept any offer that's 10-15% less; I've done it the same way for years and my listings rarely make it longer than 5 days before they're sold out (assuming the card listed is a format staple holding value). So I've found it intriguing that out of everything I've listed over the last 2-ish weeks, sales of Tarns, Misty, and Catacombs have been the most stagnant. Over that time, I've been tracking the recently sold listings pretty close along with stores/aggregate pricing trends (MTGoldfish, MTGS, SCG, etc) which continue to show enemy fetches increasing in value and it became clear that those three "upper tier" enemy fetches are at/very close to the max price players are willing to pay. It's not an issue of decreased consumer demand as several Tarns, for example, get sold for $80-$85 a pop every day, rather, it's an issue pertaining to a lopsided distribution of supply where enough of these cards have found their way into the hands of the big players in the secondary market, so any significant de-stock -> price increase by someone like a SCG is enough to inflate the market of that particular card as a whole (or those 3 cards in this example).
Now the reason I find this so interesting is because the current uncertainty regarding Horizons/ when/where fetches will inevitably get reprinted makes it, so one can make persuasive arguments for both the sellers unwilling to budge due to a potential format-wide interest spike post-horizons as well as the buyers who refuse to pay $100 /Tarn, b/c they know a reprint announcement could pop up at any time. Went a little far down the finance path on that one, but the overarching point was to explain that you can certainly find Catacombs for a (somewhat more) reasonable price if you're willing to stake out ebay's newly listed auctions page and/or make reasonable offers on BIN posts.
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Whether or not we should take the comments at face value or not is a different conversation, but they've already stated how MM did more to suppress Modern reprints than promote them and going forward they'll be able to reprint more Modern staples now that MM is decommissioned. Folks keep asking how will they be able to reprint Modern cards without a Modern Masters set every 2 years, which seems like a legitimate concern at first glance, but if we look back to the set lists as a whole, we can clearly see how inefficient they were.
Using MM15 as an example, 249 cards were in the set and as of today there are 48 cards currently worth more than $1. Out of those 48 cards, less than half are Modern staples or see fringe Modern play; the other half are holding value due to Legacy or EDH play. That's 24 Modern-relevant reprints from an entire set dedicated to Modern and 225 cards that are either draft chaff or irrelevant to competitive Modern. That's far from an efficient reprint strategy; WotC's comments regarding their ability to reprint more Modern staples across X amount of misc supplemental sets, products, etc seem much more reasonable considering they have two years worth of products in which they would have to scatter those 24 reprints across.
IMO, Modern's mana base is the only major obstacle to this sort of reprint strategy, namely fetch lands. However, I wouldn't be surprised to see enemy fetches show up in a future Standard set despite how problematic that may be; if Arena continues to perform well despite the inevitable clunkers of standard set(s) then I can see WotC caring much less about how fetch lands/shuffling affect gameplay.
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That's because drawing stirrings is almost always a good thing for those decks until they have tron online. Drawing into multiple Sylvan Libraries would be brutal assuming your opponent isn't running enchantment hate; 4 life per card is a hefty price in a format where mana bases are largely composed of fetches and shocks. I honestly think it wouldn't only be underpowered in Modern, but underplayed as well. Aside from brews/decks in green with no other source of CA, what current deck would play it and furthermore, what deck would want to play more than 1 - 2 copies max?
I haven't read the comments from Maro, but I'd like to do so if anybody has the link handy. I could certainly see the brand new cards adhering to color pie norms, but knowing a chunk of the set will be ported over from legacy's card pool, I'd be surprised if "conforms to color pie" was a major deciding factor for whether or not those cards were chosen/excluded. WotC announcing MH would include reprints pre-8th ed was the first step toward the sort of "legacy-lite" format folks have described in the past; the extent to which that is true will seemingly depend on how many of these reprints are noteworthy cards in legacy. Aside from gameplay factors, the inclusion of cards like a Sylvan Library would go a long way to ensure MH has perceived value from the get-go. They can re-print all the Counterspells, Daze, etc they'd like for Modern, but dirt-cheap reprints won't sell pack and neither will unproven/untested cards (at least during the early stages when players are still figuring out whats actually relevant). Don't get me wrong, I'd be delighted if MH boxes are the same price as a standard set box, but that's unlikely to be the case. Making sure X amount of the reprints are legacy staples with modest-solid value is a sensical business decision that would help to ensure MH sales figures meet expectations; there has to be something among the set of uncertainty that would justify the premium/semi-premium price point of boosters/boxes.
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Agreed, but that same logic works both ways; sell too early and you're just leaving money on the table. In regards to zen fetches, it's just common sense. What're the odds they'll be reprinted between now and MH spoiler season? Nearly 0%. Is there reason to believe demand will cease between now and then? Negative. Based on the all-time highs for each card, excluding Tarn, the average growth needed just to approach those all-time highs is about 36%; since we know what people have been willing to pay in the past, we're not blindly watching their value increase with no reasonable expectations for a ceiling value. Therefore, if you wanted to sell your zen fetches while both maximizing profit and minimizing risk, the week before MH spoilers is a logical time to do so. That's just being conservative; there's a good chance that MH will only push demand further post-release and we could see prices climb well throughout the Summer into Fall.
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They do; they know 250 legacy/built-for-modern cards will be dumped into the format three months from now. Any qualms with the format will fall on deaf ears, because the announcement of MH included an expiratory date being slapped onto the lifespan of the current meta. Since 2015, roughly 1/3 of the discussion in this thread has been empty rhetoric about the banning of one single card and how that incident is the root cause for all things ***** in Modern. Thus, it's reasonable to argue that any complaints regarding perceived issues with the present format are irrelevant until we see what happens in t-minus three months when Modern is blasted in the ass with not one, but 250 new cards.