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  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Hahaha, I needed a good laugh. Spot on, man. Based on my LGS experiences over the last couple years, I agree that Standard players tend to be the youngest players who frequent the store. I'm also interested in whether or not those players actually give a ***** about the story. It reminds me of how Nintendo approaches their first party games/online experiences; they're supposedly aimed at appealing to kids, but their definition of kids hasn't changed in 30 years. For every one kid who ends up with a Nintendo product because their parents like the E ratings and locked down online experience, there's nine other kids playing GTA. Similarly, I don't think WotC's target audience actually exists as they believe. Copping out on quality storylines is one thing, because I'm not required to actually read it. However, it's another thing when that crap story makes it way into flavor text. I want to put a bullet in my head any time I read the flavor text on Drownyard Temple
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 26/11/2018)
    Quote from ThirdDegree »
    I don't think that false (potentially) image is fully to blame for the SFM spike. Look at it's price on mtgstocks and it spiked several times before banlist announcements. I do like that time in the graph where it stopped spiking, as if the community just gave up hope. Haha


    SFM stock always ticks up prior to a B&R announcement. Fraudulent posts that pretend to be leaks just throw fuel onto that fire; I'm sure plenty of people saw that post and immediately went to pick up copies of the card without any confirmation of legitimacy.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from Kathal »
    Any thoughts on how prices for usable suspend cards( Ancestral Vision, Living End, Restore Balance ) will be affected by Electrodominance?

    No, should not influence those cards at all, since it is not that good of an card to begin with. It would only make As Foretold better, since you get another pay off card.


    Well don't look now, but Wheel of Fate just doubled in price with Restore Balance up 50%. Regardless of whether anyone thinks Electrodominance will have an impact during gameplay, it looks like it's starting to impact the market, so pickup your copies of Living End/AV/Lotus Bloom/etc now if you plan on brewing with Electrodominance or need them for any other uses, because it took ~4-7 months for them to settle back down the last time they spiked following the reveal of As Foretold. IMO, this time it may be legit b/c Electrodominance has far more applications than As Foretold; allowing the card to be cast at instant speed has the potential for all kinds of shenanigans.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from whocansay »
    Quote from SpinifexV »
    In front of the Stronghold's broken doors, Gideon was giving Teferi the Gatewatch oath while Chandra stood by. Karn and Jaya had agreed to join the fight against Bolas, but hadn't agreed to take the oath. Karn because he meant to leave soon to continue his effort to destroy New Phyrexia, and Jaya because, as she had said, "I'm not a joiner."


    Source: https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-story/return-dominaria-episode-12-2018-05-30

    "The Cylix," he told her. "It was created by Urza to help defeat the Phyrexians. I intend to take it to New Phyrexia and detonate it there."

    "So it's like a bomb? A giant bomb?"

    "Exactly like a giant bomb," Karn said.


    Source: https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-story/return-dominaria-episode-9-2018-05-09


    Wow, what pinnacles of human creativity the writers at WOTC are. Durrr big bomb? Yerp you betcher boss big bomb yerp.


    All about appealing to the lowest common denominator. Shame. I remember reading the books that used to come in fat packs and while they were never literary works of art, they were at the very least interesting and didn't read like a teenager's attempt at Marvel fan-fiction. Maybe that's just nostalgia talking and the story has always sucked ass, but it still made for solid lore. The whole gatewatch wannabe superhero club thing is awful and I'd hate to see the potential of a return to new phyrexia ruined by their campy oath ***** and happy-go-lucky attitudes. Jace suffering a brutal death due to explosive phyrexian diarrhea would be a move in the right direction...


    Re: Challenger Decks, I can definitely see Teferi & Search for Azcanta getting reprints along with a handful of other cards along the lines of History of Benalia. Arclight Phoenix seems like another solid target, but one that ultimately won't be included simply b/c it's not from one of the sets rotating out in the Fall. IIRC, most of the notable inclusions from the first set of challenger decks were mostly all from sets due to rotate out (Chandra, Walking Ballista, Hazoret, Push, etc). I wouldn't be surprised if they chose to reprint most/all of the flip cards from Ixalan and spread them out among the various decks to make it so there isn't one deck that's more sought out than the rest, ala whatever challenger deck had Chandra/Hazoret.

    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 26/11/2018)
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    Bans are bad for players and unbans will only make things much worse.

    I cannot write enough words to explain how and why I think this statement is wholly and completely wrong.

    I'll try to explain why.

    [...] if you udon't want to see opponent realizing potentian of his powerfull cards then just kill him before. Here comes t3 kill combo and aggro decks.

    That's not unbans fault. Those strategies would be discovered anyway sooner or later.
    Dredge would be the same deck even without BBE and Jace unbans, the same is true for Phoenix decks.
    As long as unbans don't power up unfair strategies I can't understand why there shouldn't be.

    Yeah, I can understand this position. But main question is what players really want? Nonlinear, interctive modern? Linear, interactive modern as it it's now?
    If ppl want first, they have to push their desire and opinion bcs Wizards have testing team to reject potentially broken things and if something unexpected happens - ban it with banhammer tool. But as I see current modern's future - it's Legacy 2.0 with slow dying which is profitable for Wizards but not for players. (Standart and Arena reasons)


    Legacy is only in the state that it is today b/c of the RL; support for the format would look a whole lot different if duals weren't so cost prohibitive. If Modern were to ever experience "slow dying", it'd be due to a lack of player interest and not due to a lack of availability of format staples. Let's stop this woe is me Modern is dying bull*****. Modern was supposedly dead when enemy fetches were pricing players out of playing certain decks, then it was supposed to be dead when WotC started reprinting too many format staples, dead after the banning of [pod, twin, etc], dead from eldrazi winter, and lest not forget, death at the hand of Frontier and its merry band of Siege Rhinos.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from tronix »
    damn 2 sweet mythics in 9 packs? did you go and buy a lottery ticket? (jk, i hope you didnt)

    UMA is pretty loaded. boxes are holding EV so far, and are still positive with even mid level box toppers. not to say that people should just go out and buy em because its all profit all the time, but the average people out there somewhere (which may not be you) are getting their moneys worth. i imagine it will be a while before box prices start lowering (i do think they will, the print run has to be big).

    i sold the karn and reanimate i pulled and am closely watching the snapcaster boxtopper prices and i plan to sell it if it gets close to 200 (or if it looks like its dropping). that mostly covers what i paid for the box, which is pretty absurd.


    Right? It's hard to tell from the angle, but Lilly and Karakas are foils; the only non-foil mythic to come from those 9 boosters was Snappy and he was actually in the same pack as Lilly. Crazy *****. I was going to do the same and sell off the foils & Snap, but that plan got squashed when I started checking out eBay's recently sold listings; non-foil staples from UMA are rebounding across the board, but it appears pack-foils can still be found without a significant multiplier. I remember that being fairly common in previous Masters sets (notably, there was a period of 1-2 months post MM15 when Karn foils were being sold for only $10-15 above non-foil prices), but I'm curious how things will shake out with UMA foils, specifically those with a box topper variant. Obviously the box toppers will hold a premium, but it'll be interesting to see what the market determines is an appropriate price vs pack foils.

    Also, is it just me or does anyone else have the feeling that we will see additional, not so insignificant, waves of UMA hitting the market? WotC had to have known that the ***** would sell like gangbusters, so I just find it hard to believe that they wouldn't milk it. One could argue that they likely expected strong sales from IMA/M25 as well, so they wanted to play it safe with UMA and throttle the supply. However, I'm not sold. I'm sure someone with a better understanding of the printing processes/logistics involved with distribution and the overall production timeline would be able to clear this up, but wasn't UMA printed in Japan? Assuming WotC didn't make the transition to all future sets printed in Japan, it would make sense for them to assess sales/reception following the initial UMA offering in order to make a decision on whether or not to fire up the presses again to meet demand. If whichever set currently in production is being manufactured outside Japan, pulling the trigger on another UMA run would appear to be a plausible scenario. Especially when prices are recovering at the rate that they are now, there just seems to be very few reasons why WotC wouldn't keep the gravy train flowing. Sure market stability and consumer confidence are two things that should be taken into consideration, but shareholders only see the profit margins. Thoughts/opinions? Like I said, please do correct me if there's something I'm not seeing, but after thinking it over I just don't think it'd be a surprise if there was additional product injected into the market sometime between now and mid January.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from Mtgthewary »
    Don't collect for money guys. Like tarmogoyf, no card in modern will stay high. Don't trick yourself. Maybe you make some money, but often you will be crushed. It is not worth


    Truth. Especially when it comes to Modern staples. However, paying attention to price trends and knowing when to buy or sell are important habits to have for anyone who wants to make their hobby self-sustaining. I rarely crack sealed product, but I'll usually pick up 3-4 boosters of every Masters set; I had a Target gift card to burn + a 15% off toys/games sale they were running, so I ended up grabbing three of the UMA 3-pack blisters. My cup runneth over with luck.


    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [Primer] G/W Auras (Bogle)
    Quote from icehippo »
    Hi everybody. I’m seeing Dromoka's Command played more, anyone playing this card like to explain why this card is so good and worth including in the main board?


    I'll often run 1 or 2 copies in the SB, but I'm also puzzled to see it in the MB of recent tournament lists. The reason to play it in the first place is b/c of its versatility, so I suppose that could be a simple answer why. It's a way to deal with Blood Moon game 1, efficient creature removal since our Bogle is almost always the bigger creature on the field, and can foil a Deflecting Palm or Grapeshot.

    On a similar note, it appears Open the Armory has gained some favorability again; a lot of those same lists that have D Command have OtA as a 2 of MB. OtA always looked so good on paper, but never really panned out in practice; aside from 1 of auras that one might want to tutor up depending on matchup (Spirit Link), OtA is almost always going to be used to fish for a Coronet. The problem with that is we need access to 3 white mana and 4 mana total in order to play both on the same turn. I think a case can be made for OtA in decks that play a lot of 1-of toolbox auras, but there's no benefit to be had by jamming it into a typical decklist IMO.
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from Colt47 »
    Huh, so we had the biggest spike in history with Magic the gathering after masters 25 got spoiled, and now the entire market is entering the worlds most epic bear market stage we've had in years. Probably because no one has any money left after wasting it all on the 300+ dollar boxes of complete randomness. And before anyone comments, I wasted my money, too, so this is not an accusation against OTHERS who have bought boxes. :p

    ... also my pulls were crap.


    Hyperbolic much?

    And "boxes of complete randomness" have been WotC's bread and butter for 25 years; what were you expecting this time around?
    As soon as the first UMA reprints were revealed, anybody who typically sticks to buying singles creamed their pants. My list of reprint pick ups is getting longer by the day, however, I'm reluctant to pull the trigger until word starts to get around about just how large a print run we're looking at. Any given staple that was reprinted could either tank or spike tomorrow and it wouldn't be a surprise if it was a knee-jerk reaction in response to any info indicating the number of boxes in circulation/in the pipeline waiting to enter circulation.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [Primer] RG Ponza / Modern Land Destruction
    Quote from The Fluff »
    Ok, fair enough. fight with Fire does kill the Hollow one and the zombie fish as well.

    Flooding is an issue.. I've playtested a lot and this deck has a bad habit to draw lands midgame. So far my attempt to solve this is 2 lootings which works well. I've tried 3 lootings, but 3 is too many.. it felt like the deck is just trying to loot and not do anything else at 3, so went back to 2.


    Interesting. I've been testing out Faithless Looting as well. I've been fascinated with Chancellor of the Tangle as of late, specifically in regards to whether or not it could be used in Ponza to help crap out a T1 Blood Moon without straying too far from the game plan or compromising too much in terms of overall efficacy. I've only started playing around with the idea very recently, so still trying to find the right balance, but here's what I'm currently trying out that's pertinent to what I'm trying to do:

    MB:
    x3 Chancellor of the Tangle
    x1 Simian Spirit Guide
    x3 Faithless Looting
    x2 Manamorphose
    x3 Fire-Lit Thicket

    SB:
    x1 Simian Spirit Guide
    x2 Grim Lavamancer


    First off, I'm definitely not advocating that anybody else try this out or even that it's effective; more so just a bored Ponza player with a penchant for Blood Moon and degeneracy. With that being said, constructive criticism and/or suggested are very much welcomed. The goal is to find a way to pop off a T1 moon without needing too many "unnecessary" cards dedicated to making it happen. This is why I'm intrigued by Chancellor and Looting; we have ramp, so Chancellor isn't completely worthless outside of our opening hand and looting helps during those times when it actually is worthless in addition to smoothing out potential mana floods/lack of threats/needless dorks/etc. I originally had all 4 Chancellors in the MB along with another copy of manamorphose, but I took them out and adjusted the mana base to include filter lands to help improve consistency/reduce redundancy. Lastly, the reason for Grim out of the SB is to essentially get some sort of additional value from looting.

    As I mentioned, this ended up being more of a fun experiment, but I'm all ears to any suggestions/criticisms.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from idSurge »


    Pretty sure Manamorphose shouldnt be a $20 card. :p

    Yep, although I feel that Manamorphose is more a victim of a buyout. That's what friends tell me at least.

    Really? I could see maybe a foil buyout, but attempting a buyout on something that was printed at common/uncommon. Granted, those printings were Shadowmoor & MM13, but still a ballsy move nonetheless. I assumed that the spike was mostly organic demand until it was confirmed as a no-go in UMA; it's a 4-of in a ***** ton of established decks + the numerous flavors of phoenix brews. IMO, it would've spiked earlier than it did had it not been for uncertainty surrounding UMA; likely not to the extent that it did, but the demand is there. I was all but sure it would end up in UMA, especially once Bogle, Runed Halo, and all those random Shadowmoor reprints were being revealed; kicking myself for selling four sets of them anticipating I'd be able to pick them back up. Held onto my foils though, so that's a silver lining.

    Quote from idSurge »
    Any of you folks have some decent pics of UMA foils? The prices are right, if they are decent.


    I cracked my customary three packs for a new set, so I'll snap some photos of the foils when I get an opportunity and link them. I'm not sure how accurate this is, but I've heard a few different people mention how UMA was printed in Japan. I'm also not sure if that's any different compared to RTRTRTRTRavnica. However, I am sure that the quality of these are terrific; I forgot what it was like to crack a pack and shuffle through cards that have a quality feel to them. The difference in quality compared to recent sets is stark.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Awesome, exactly what I was looking for. I was under the assumption everything had to be done/initiated in-game. Much appreciated!
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 26/11/2018)
    Quote from idSurge »
    Is Surgical really ever 'bad' though? I see articles on it all the time 'blah blah you are all sideboarding it in too much'. Well if I Surgical your Fatal Push, and now you cannot kill my 2nd Thing in the Ice, who's laughing now?



    Exactly how I feel about the card. So long as you know what you're up against, two life can potentially eliminate every copy of a particular problem creature, win-con, silver bullet, etc. It's true that it will probably be lackluster against decks with built-in redundancy, but the versatility is fantastic and it's never really a dead card.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    I never paid any attention to MTGO prices, because my laptop/ desktop machines have always been Macs and the thought of buying a Windows license to run in BootCamp in order to pay more for digital cards wasn't very appealing. Despite the convenience of digital downloads/items, I'll almost always choose the physical version if given the option, however, the last two pages of this thread were enough to convince me to finally give MTGO a go. Wanted to start off with something cheap, so I decided to build Modern Bogles and Pauper Burn. I was able to get every card I needed, save for the Bogles mana base, via those free bots; definitely a pleasant surprise. Other than trading with free bots, I'm stumped as to how I go about searching for/acquiring the remaining cards I need. I know that's veering off-topic, but if anyone would be so kind as to post/PM me a link for a resource where I can learn how to do that it'd be much appreciated. With that being said, I feel for anyone who has put a decent amount of money into the game and watched the value of their collection plummet. As I mentioned, I know very little about the MTGO economy except for the fact that card prices can (could?) significantly differ from that of their paper counterpart. Considering how Arena doesn't offer Modern/eternal formats, is there any optimism that the MTGO economy will eventually rebound to a point where things are at least somewhat stable?


    On the topic of paper prices, how are ya'll approaching UMA reprints now that the set is being opened? I have play sets of Teeg (~$8/ea) and Entomb (~$4/ea) in my TCGP cart that I was going to pull the trigger on last night, but prices seem to be in free fall right now so I'm holding off to see how things shake out. I sold out of them at probably 75% of their value pre-UMA announcement, so I still couldn't complain even if I bought back in at double the current value of each card. I was just a bit surprised to see such a sizable drop upon set release; from what I recall, most playable reprints from previous Masters sets lost the majority of their value once it was known they'd be reprinted and then began the steady decline/plateau. I'm not sure if that speaks more to the supply entering the market or expectations that prices would hold despite a reprint?
    Posted in: Modern
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