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  • posted a message on Vorstclaw reprint
    Quote from Creedmoor »


    This is such an underrated post.


    Dreadmaw was OP; they had to bring in Vorsty instead.


    Well, if you’d just refer to the Dreadmaw Alignment Chart, you’ll see that...
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on [[Official]] General Discussion of the Official Multiplayer Banlist
    Well, this is the “General Discussion of the official Multiplayer Banlist” thread, not the Coalition Victory SCD thread. The problem here is it’s the exact same user bringing up the same tired points, just in a new thread because he/she has been ***** down at every turn in the appropriate thread.

    Like, hop on over to that thread. Pretty sure you’d see the exact same back and forth there as you are here, just about this one card.
    Posted in: Commander Rules Discussion Forum
  • posted a message on Vorstclaw reprint
    Can’t wait to play this in Pauper!
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on [[Official]] General Discussion of the Official Multiplayer Banlist
    Any distinction beyond that is personal opinion.


    Or the opinion of the format creators, but who f***ing cares what those idiots think, they don’t know what they’re doing anyways.

    This is becoming Sol Ring discussion 2.0.

    I won’t join the new site if there is a thread anywhere discussing Coalition Victory. I’ll let you guys decide if that’s a good thing or bad.
    Posted in: Commander Rules Discussion Forum
  • posted a message on Tale's End (Jumbo Commander preview)
    Quote from Hawk7915 »
    Definitely a Commander staple - I find Stifle a bit narrow but would be happy to add +1 mana in order to counter every single Commander, planeswalker, and a fair swath of other obnoxious permanents that tend to pop up a lot.

    Seems like a possible sideboard player in Standard as well given all the Sparks currently at War but on balance I imagine that Negate is going to be best.


    Well this does allow you to Stifle Lotus Field, so in that regard it’s pseudo-Ramp? Does that make it Main-deck worthy? Stifle an ultimate, counter a PW/legendary spell? Hmm, dunno.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Bloodsoaked Altar (ashlizzle preview)
    Quote from Buffsam89 »
    Quote from FunkyDragon »
    Quote from Buffsam89 »
    Ok, let’s get something straight here.

    Everything is good in EDH. It’s a singleton, casual format. High, CMC cards are allowed to thrive because they are mostly redundant versions of similar, cheaper cards, and the casual draw is also there.
    Assembly Hall
    Dichotomancy
    Hint of Insanity
    Pack Hunt
    Doubling Chant
    Mimeofacture
    Harness the Storm
    Verdant Succession

    ...and Tarmogoyf. Yeah, not everything is good in EDH.

    I agree with you, though. I'm also sick of people saying "good in EDH." And people should explain why something is good. I've seen way too many comments declaring something good in EDH that is actually pretty garbage. EDH is the format where more cards are allowed to shine than in any other format. But we still have standards.


    Well, I figured cards that don’t function mechanically due to the format restrictions was a given, but you’re right.

    My main point is that you are likely to see Wood Elemental hit the board and do something relatively dumb in this format. And, not be surprised in the slightest. Whether it due to a limited collection, your general play-style, or just because it reminds you of your grandmothers kitty Mr. Tinkles, people will play whatever makes them happy. In that regard, the expectation should already be “this card is good in EDH”.


    Only because EDH is not usually played as a sanctioned format. Nobody sane would ever play the Wood Elemental in a tournament setting ever. Unless is a masochist that likes to lose and waste money for nothing. That said, I'm a CEDH player, so "it's good in EDH" has a much more serious meaning within my parameters.


    Which, again, should also go without saying.

    Geeze. And BTW, how does “good in EDH” have a more serious meaning for a CEDH player? Completely different styles of play.
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  • posted a message on Bloodsoaked Altar (ashlizzle preview)
    Quote from FunkyDragon »
    Quote from Buffsam89 »
    Ok, let’s get something straight here.

    Everything is good in EDH. It’s a singleton, casual format. High, CMC cards are allowed to thrive because they are mostly redundant versions of similar, cheaper cards, and the casual draw is also there.
    Assembly Hall
    Dichotomancy
    Hint of Insanity
    Pack Hunt
    Doubling Chant
    Mimeofacture
    Harness the Storm
    Verdant Succession

    ...and Tarmogoyf. Yeah, not everything is good in EDH.

    I agree with you, though. I'm also sick of people saying "good in EDH." And people should explain why something is good. I've seen way too many comments declaring something good in EDH that is actually pretty garbage. EDH is the format where more cards are allowed to shine than in any other format. But we still have standards.


    Well, I figured cards that don’t function mechanically due to the format restrictions was a given, but you’re right.

    My main point is that you are likely to see Wood Elemental hit the board and do something relatively dumb in this format. And, not be surprised in the slightest. Whether it due to a limited collection, your general play-style, or just because it reminds you of your grandmothers kitty Mr. Tinkles, people will play whatever makes them happy. In that regard, the expectation should already be “this card is good in EDH”.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Bloodsoaked Altar (ashlizzle preview)
    Quote from Melkor »
    I'm sure it will be good in EDH. a technically discard and sacrifice outlet and some demons, it won't be good, but I'm sure some legendary creature is spiking in 3....2....1....


    Ok, let’s get something straight here.

    Everything is good in EDH. It’s a singleton, casual format. High, CMC cards are allowed to thrive because they are mostly redundant versions of similar, cheaper cards, and the casual draw is also there.

    It wasn’t so bad in recent years, but lately this “Good in EDH” comment thing has become a freaking epidemic. At the very least, explain why it’s good in EDH.

    Ok, rant over. As for the card, it’s pretty cool. You can create a semi-decent value engine with Persist/Undying creatures and Squee, Goblin Nabob.
    Being able to create some ETB value, it’s not bad. A tad expensive. Though.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Vivien, Arkbow Ranger
    Quote from fluxje »
    That looks abusable.


    So instead of saying first, you just say 3 words without any explanation?

    Looks like a 4 cmc PW to me, that requires you to have a board presence when you play her. And if its an empty board she doesnt do anything.
    'Her ultimate' is an interesting take, but abusable???

    4/10 Vivien


    In what world would you not have a board for her??

    Counters are bad because your opponents need spells!
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Diviner's Chest (sparktv preview)
    The stipulations that green card draw are all things green does well anyway. Things it certainly does more readily than setting up the top card of its deck. Talking about hoops you have to jump through for your card draw isn't going to shine Diviner's Chest in a flattering light. I mean, sure, things like Shamanic Revelation require creatures, but in a green deck, that's going to be a substantial chunk of your deck. Meanwhile, how much is going to enable Diviner's Chest? Sylvan Library, Mirri's Guile, Oracle of Mul Daya, Courser of Kruphix, Sensei's Divining Top, and Scroll Rack? Maybe a couple more? That's still less than 10% of your deck. You're gonna have to do this the hard way the majority of the time, and the hard way is less reliable than Sorcerer's Strongbox. Stuff like Soul's Majesty, Rishkar's Expertise, and Garruk, Primal Hunter need only a 3/3 to draw as many cards as Diviner's Chest, and there's easily twenty times more playable +3 power creatures in green than there are playable topdeck manipulators in green.


    Glad to see you really didn’t comprehend what I was saying, but was more than willing to bless us with this wall of text. Thank you.

    To draw 3 cards, you need to know what’s on top of your deck. Or, you play other cards that are just as reliant on something else to do the same. It’s a wash as far as I’m concerned. Large board? Peeps wrath. Big threat? Gets removed. Permanent, recursive card draw is good for decks that don’t have that.

    I’ve found over the many years of playing this game that some cards do a better job than others, while being a “worse” card. Shocker, right?

    For instance, I’ll play this in Glissa, the Traitor. A.)Because of synergy. B.) Because I reliably know what my top deck is. C.)I can actually cast the cards I draw after paying the activation cost. And D.) It’s a deck I can play with everybody, so power level is a non-issue.

    Really? Journeyer's Kite is the example you're going with? I've only ever seen one person play that, and he was embarrassed to be running it.


    I highly doubt they were embarrassed, but whatever. Journeyers Kite is perfectly playable. It’s fixing that’s effectively card draw. My Flip-Chandra deck runs it to fuel Seismic Assault and Molten Vortex for additional reach.
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  • posted a message on Mu Yianling, Sky Dancer NGA preview
    However, by several posters' logic, there's no point in evaluating cards AT ALL before a set releases.


    That’s not exactly the case here, not in the slightest, really. There are people here from all walks of MtG life, be it casuals, EDH buffs, modern players, standard die-hards, and just general enthusiasts that see these cards however they deem fit. Not one person said “OMG, THIS WILL BREAK STANDARD” so, to me, that doesn’t warrant a “WTf, you guys suck at evaluating cards, it’s unplayable trash”.

    IMHO, at no point should the words “unplayable” pop up during spoiler season, unless the card is mechanically broken. You make yourself look like quite a fool when, in fact, all cards get played to some degree. Nobody is hurt by somebody saying “cards good, could be played with X,Y,Z, I’ll play it”, etc. However, by throwing the “trash” label into cards, people will become defensive, and rightfully so. You don’t know any better than I do whether the card is good or bad, so why even say something baseless like that? It halts all relevant discussion and turns into the BS that was flagged with red text. For what? A tire pump? A feeling of superiority? “Good” is a pretty subjective term, bad/garbage/unplayable really aren’t.

    As for your meta example, they are constantly evolving. Besides that, a very small sliver of the MtG populace actually compete at high levels and “net deck” their strategies. For Joe Blow, this could very well be the card to make his deck win at his LGS. Or maybe it makes its way into a sideboard somewhere.

    I get it, people only want to play with the most proven strategies, but those aren’t the only strategies. We’ve seen it countless times, where a jank homebrew succeeds at dethroning the “known” meta.

    TL;DR: I just don’t see the point in negative comments during spoiler season. If the cards not for you, great, move along. No reason to try and “flex” your MtG acumen in an online forum. Because really, nobody values your opinion more than you will, and that goes for everybody. But saying “Hey, I’ll play this card” does nothing more than make it known that it will, in fact, be played.
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  • posted a message on Sephara, Sky’s Blade - TCC spoiler


    What am I missing here?

    NVM, I always forget that HotH makes non-legendary copies.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Mu Yianling, Sky Dancer NGA preview
    Additionally, I'm not sure why it's an issue to express an opinion to what appears to be the popular opinion? I provide reasons why i think this card is bad and what to be shown scenarios (applicable ones) where it is good and no one has done this. No one has shown me an existing deck that wants to play this that is better than anything else they can play in that spot.

    Is this a site where we can have meaningful discussions or just be fan boys that can't handle constructive criticism?


    What discussions can be had when the card is labeled “literally unplayable”? Because at that point it is not a discussion, you just want people to agree with you because there is nowhere to go with the discussion.

    And “constructive criticism”? Lol that’s what this-
    i mean this in the nicest way possible but the majority of you are quite terrible at evaluating cards.
    -is? First off, you may need to brush up on what constructive criticism actually is, because that is certainly not what you’ve demonstrated through this thread. What’s wrong with fanboys? They can like the card. They’ll play the card, maybe even have it in a FNM winning deck, at that point it makes all that “unplayable” nonsense you’ve been spewing look pretty stupid.

    I mean this the nicest way possible, but you come off as an arrogant dick that probably prefers the sound of their own voice over anything else.
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  • posted a message on Diviner's Chest (sparktv preview)
    Quote from theMarc »
    Quote from Manite »
    Quote from theMarc »
    That sure is a lot of work just to get a single Concentrate. Especially since the color best at doing this easy-mode can just, y'know, run Concentrate instead.
    Well maybe this artifact isn't made for blue but all the colors that can't Concentrate. That's the thing with generic artifacts, they aren't supposed to be as good at any particular thing as the color that specializes at that thing.
    Obviously, you're not running this if you're in blue. Or green, for that matter. And probably not black, either. So you're only using this if you're running mono-white, mono-red, or boros. But white and red are ass at topdeck manipulation. So you have to actually guess your top card the majority of the time. How many turns do you think it'll take to finally get it? I mean, it's definitely too slow and janky to see play in standard or modern, much less legacy or vintage, so you're probably playing this in commander, where the deckbuilding restrictions of the format make the guessing game way harder. You're paying +5 mana for an unreliable Ancestral Vision. Even in boros, there are tons or card draw I'd rather run.


    Besides this one card, point to another, better, source of draw in G? There aren’t many that are just as dependent on either having something on the board or other stipulations. This also doesn’t cost life, like it likely would in B. It’s also an easy to recur piece.

    Echoing what Manite said, you’re comparing the effect of a generic cost artifact to the color that specializes in that effect. Is Journeyer’s Kite garbage because Cultivate exists?

    Now, for the card itself, it’s not great. Sure, there are even better options in brown, but more expensive or larger costs. However, anything that scrys, surveils, etc. on a consistent basis makes this much, much better. If you can recur this, draw 3 for 5? In non-U decks...
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  • posted a message on Shifting Ceratops (GLHF)
    Quote from Ryperior74 »
    Yeeeaa wizard keep it going with the powerhouse dinosaurs my Gishath, Sun's Avatar keeps getting better and better

    Hope to see a 5-color dinosaur legend in the future


    So you can play exactly 3 more dinosaurs? That’s how we end up with boring 5-C legends, like most of the new ones.

    This standard is very much shaping up to the power levels of OG Innistrad-New Phyrexia. I’ve not played Standard for a while, that is going to change.
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