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  • posted a message on C19 Another Bust?
    That's the reason for this thread.

    You sure about that?
    Posted in: New Card Discussion
  • posted a message on Sheldon's Thoughts on infinite combos
    Quote from lyonhaert »
    Is Sheldon really complaining about a turn 5 Sorin which doesn't even kill a player by turn 7 and did nothing the rest of the game, which went to turn 14 with the guy targeted by Sorin still alive, and equate that to an arms race to knock the player with Sorin out of the game by turn 4?
    No. Sorin wasn't the point of that. What happened at first with Sorin was just a moment he could use to illustrate the concepts of:
    • Differing expectations between players who haven't had The Talk (rule 0) beforehand. Three of them had played with each other enough to be pretty much on the same page as far as what they considered 75%, whereas Gavin hadn't. 75% is as much about the plays you make as it is what cards you've build with - not to mention it's relative to your meta. That play could very well have been 75% in Gavin's meta. The point was how that play was perceived in-context.
    • How certain actions in a game (like getting your life set to 10 on turn 5) can precipitate an arms race. This one was more alluded to than spelled out.
    Seems pretty straightforward to me and not "mental gymnastics". He even is on Gavin's side not long after for targeting Toby.

    This is how I read it as well. Though, what this really illustrates is the fact that honest discussion needs to take place beforehand to ensure games meet everybody’s expectations. Clearly, 75% doesn’t travel well. Just talk about the decks you’re playing, I don’t really see how difficult it is.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on Pramikon, Sky Rampart: Wincons?
    Quote from Gashnaw II »
    I’m brewing it with walls + a few cards allowing walls to attack and a good amount of Planeswalkers. A Planeswallker deck so to say Smile At least theoretically, the themes have strategic overlap and it is something else. The new Sarkhan from war of the spark will be one of the wincons, turning every walker into dragons.

    You need access to green to allow walls to attack. There is an equipment that does it but that is one wall at a time. And there are a few creatures that allow you to remove defender.

    Rolling Stones and High Alert say hi?

    And how could we forget Wakestone Gargoyle.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on C19 Another Bust?
    Quote from Colt47 »
    Quote from Arctanis8 »
    I think everyone should stop and remember what their first experience of EDH was when thinking of who these decks are for. I'm not sure how many started with 2011, but I started there. My first deck was Zedruu (exchange.dec) which won with Storm Herd. I didn't have to worry about getting beatdown by cEDH decks because there was no such thing. Fast forward a few years, and it's easy to see how newer players are denied the experience of playing a deck out of the box and slowly tuning it to their liking. I think the best remedy as someone mentioned earlier would be to communicate what type of playgroup / playstyle you're sitting with and adjust accordingly. Don't play cEDH decks against new players.

    I'm very curious to see how everyone ranks the Commander products. I'm sure as a community we'd be all over the map. It seems like reprints are the thing that people consider the most when deciding whether a product is successful. That's interesting, since I've always felt like the commanders and new cards were the most important (and I know this is just my opinion). Perhaps that's why 2018 is viewed with such a negative lens? I felt that set was 4th best behind 2011, 2013 and 2016.

    The issue is that the game has enough cards as is that people need for commander decks and reprinting cards that are basically replaceable bulk is not helping the commander community. Commander players love new cards, but they also want old cards that are not readily available. Every single blasted reprint in this set felt like it was from some massively opened set in the last two years, when the cards people need are things like Cyclonic Rift, Chromatic Lantern, allied pain lands, Mana Echoes, Sylvan Tutor, Cruel Tutor, etc.

    Basically, they are saving anything with even the smell of a high secondary market price now for premium products. That is what is killing everything else.

    Tutors, specifically the good ones, are never going to find their way into a precon, expecting otherwise is just setting yourself up for disappointment. And why would we get Mana Echoes? Any particular reason to include a tribal card in a set without tribal support? And I already said my piece on C.Rift.

    I mean, this is a premium product. Getting reprinted here isn’t going drive prices down anymore than they would if they were printed in a masters set. Beyond that, people will just buy these and re-sell them way over the MSRP, robbing the target audience of getting their hands on the “needed reprints to compete”, which is just so damn funny that people actually think that.
    Posted in: New Card Discussion
  • posted a message on C19 Another Bust?
    Quote from JuiceBOX »
    Quote from Buffsam89 »
    highly considering banning the rift?

    That’s not what I said.

    You literally just said it was on the fence for being banned... implying such.

    Feel free to back up and reiterate.

    “On the fence” is “highly considering”? Hard to see how those to things are anywhere close to each other. Spin it how you want, I guess, but that is certainly not what I said, or implied. No need to reiterate at all.

    I mean, just to clarify here. On the fence would be 50/50, no? “Highly considering” would imply there is a significantly greater than 50% chance, no? Yeah, makes sense.

    Thanks though.

    Quote from JqlGirl »
    Quote from user-24327499 »
    I got a question regarding a card if it will ever get banned. Its about cyclonic rift. The card seems to me very powerfull being instant speed and only your opponents. There are a number of other options you have if it ever gets banned
    There's some support for banning Rift among the RC/CAG, but there wasn't enough to ban it this time around.

    From here: https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh/812222-july-2019-ban-list-update?page=2#c37

    Feel free to edit your replies accordingly.
    Posted in: New Card Discussion
  • posted a message on C19 Another Bust?
    highly considering banning the rift?

    That’s not what I said.
    Posted in: New Card Discussion
  • posted a message on [C19] The Loregoyfs Preview - Greven, Predator Captain
    Quote from Ryperior74 »
    That’s how Greven should have Ben made compare to before

    This is decent rakdos commander

    Par for the course back then. Easy to have that take with 20/20 hindsight. But, they kept him mostly intact from his original printing. Hard to block- Fear to Menace. He was slightly above curve for P/T which made the mandatory sac. necessary(for the times), but now we have a mandatory sac(downside)its a May ability, so all upside I guess, with profit on an above curve body.

    I honestly must say, he’s pretty much perfect. Far and away my favorite.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on [C19] - @Wizards_Magic preview Bone Miser and Waste Not
    Finally a use for One With Nothing! :p

    This is quite strong with Wheel effects.

    It’s got respectable stats for a utility dude too. This one has serious potential.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on [C19] - @Wizards_Magic preview Bone Miser and Waste Not
    Quote from Gutterstorm »
    Waste Not is a cool reprint.

    Bone Miser is Waste Not but looks for you instead of your opponents.

    Cool stuff. He’s the dude in Waste Not as well. This will be broken in no time flat. Doesn’t this create infinite mana with The Gitrog Monster and Dakmor Salvage with a discard outlet? 3-piece combo that has graveyard synergy?

    Zombie Infestation!
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on [C19] The Loregoyfs Preview - Greven, Predator Captain
    Oh HELLS yeah! I asked for it yesterday, and here it is! Yessss. Love it. Fantastic stuff.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on [C19] Aeon engine
    And then you just keep doing it with Karn, the great creator. Cool stuff.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on [C19] - Magic Mics Spoilers - Bloodthirsty Blade and Geth, Lord of the Vault
    Quote from Jiyor »
    Wait why no regular equip also? Thats dumb. I should be able to attach it to my own creatures as well.

    It’s cool and flavorful, but I totally agree. Wasn’t there a batch of Auras that made sure creatures couldn’t attack you?
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on [C19] Tahngarth, First mate (new and improve Tahngarth)
    Quote from HighHolder »
    Indestructible would allow him to survive when my opponent sends him into a board of eldrazi or wurms or whatever on defense. Sac outlets are everywhere in edh, so expect him to be saced as well

    You choose who to direct him at. You may send him to an opponent. Are you going to direct him at that board full of Eldrazi? Are you going to let the player with Phyrexian Altar take him?

    You know, it’s one thing to complain about something because it’s bad, expensive, or whatever. But, it’s a completely different story to complain about something when you don’t even know what you’re complaining about.

    So the two madness commanders will be :
    Crovax / Gix
    ? / Greven

    Greven, I really hope it’s Greven. It could fit as well. A subtle theme for the Weatherlight characters is that they haven’t really been “On Theme” like the other legends in the deck. Gerrard is a reanimation tool, not much in terms of Non-Permanent stuff. Volrath is a shapeshifter, not really contributing to Morph(though the others in that deck don’t quite fit either). And then our Minotaur Warrior only shares theme with Marisi, and not the others. Greven could be something that plays like madness, but isn’t madness related. I dunno. I just want a good Greven card.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on [C19] Tahngarth, First mate (new and improve Tahngarth)
    Quote from HighHolder »
    This is an awful card, even in edh. I don't want anyone stealing my commander for free thanks. Make him indestructible and then we can talk. Otherwise, I would never play this crap.

    Lol, and what would indestructible do? And nobody is “stealing” anything.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on [C19] jumbo commander preview- song of the worldsoul
    Quote from cyberium_neo »
    Kykar doesn't need it, but this card might be a cheap alternative to Anointed Procession should people have trouble with its price.
    Still no excuse for WotC not reprinting Anointed Procession over a functional reprint that's almost twice the CMC.

    Yeah man, F*** new cards. Make everybody play the same thing.

    Actually, this isn’t even a functional reprint, because they don’t do the same thing except create tokens.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
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