How was Collective Brutality against domain zoo? Seems odd being the only creatures you can hit are Noble and BBE. But even the other two modes are useful.
How often do you cast BBE and flip a total dud such as Bauble or Traverse (with no delirium)? There are other examples as well
His list changed a bit, since he lost to me yesterday. (he was also playing Qasali and knight)
Discard Helix, Bolt, Boros, Tribal Flames and more. And gain life if I need to.
Collective brutality has been OK yesterday so far. The master card was TBR against Zoo.
Not having delirium on turn 4 is something that very very rarely happens. Same for having 13 life or more.
Unless, I'm very behind and I have to try something, I won't cast it.
20-0 with the list at FNM level.. and great results online. I'm pretty sure this list have some potential.
20-0 sounds impressive, but what are you playing against? Need more context for your claim.
My meta is very diverse;
I fought:
Uw control(final)
Sultai Control
Hollow one
Humans
All in RED
Affinity
Tribal Zoo(final)
Scapeshift
Boros Burn
Izzet Thing
Lanthern (final)
Bant spirit (final)
2x Eldrazi n taxes (final)
2x Counter company
2x Ponza
2x Grixis Death Shadow
Won a ravnica box (36packs), liliana of the veil, Vendillon clique mm foil, and $90 credit store.
How was Collective Brutality against domain zoo? Seems odd being the only creatures you can hit are Noble and BBE. But even the other two modes are useful.
How often do you cast BBE and flip a total dud such as Bauble or Traverse (with no delirium)? There are other examples as well
His list changed a bit, since he lost to me yesterday. (he was also playing Qasali and knight)
Discard Helix, Bolt, Boros, Tribal Flames and more. And gain life if I need to.
Collective brutality has been OK yesterday so far. The master card was TBR against Zoo.
Not having delirium on turn 4 is something that very very rarely happens. Same for having 13 life or more.
Unless, I'm very behind and I have to try something, I won't cast it.
20-0 with the list at FNM level.. and great results online. I'm pretty sure this list have some potential.
If that is your rival's exact list, then I think you should be in good shape. He has zero Path to Exile which is great for you. His creatures are slower then classic Boros Burn, and he's using Risk Factor which seems clunky and slow (could be wrong about that one).
But overall I would say your list needs to be faster. If BBE is working for you then I won't criticise, but it doesn't add up for me. Many of my games don't get me up to 4 lands so I couldn't bare to play a card like that. Tarfire seems better than Seal of Fire because it is specifically two types in one. Instant speed means you can hide it from your opponent.
No Inquisition of Kozilek and no counterspells mean you will likely be weaker to burn decks in any form. Assassin's Trophy also seems less than ideal unless you expect a lot of UW control or Tron.
@Spooly - I expect you're slam-dunking on the Arclight decks as well as lanternless whir decks? Personally I'm really excited for the meta to shift away from UW and Jund because those are the only consistently impossible match-ups for us. I finally got a new laptop so I'll be able to start grinding out MTGO reps again, and checking out the shifting meta game
Thank you, I won against him in final (= Another 4-0 undefeated FNM with that list.
(played 3 cbrutality and 2 tbr in sb.)
I use seal of fire for the tempo (turn 1 then turn2 goyf + removal) and because it's a better
cascade than tarfire for BBE. And yes, BBE is doing an amazing job for me. I play this deck since
she's unbanned. She's a house. 4 lands is not a problem for me tho. I feel favored against UW control and tradional jund.
18 lands + 4 traverse + 8 cantrip is enaugh to get it done. My deck doesnt always look for the turn 3-4 kill.
I won my last 4 fnm being undefeated and one of my oponent (A dude that I face very often
because he's a great player) decided to play a deck suppose to destroy (in his opinion) DS deck's. (Tribal Zoo burn)
I think my best chance is arround TBR; What would you side against it? more Cbrutality?
My gameplan is playing the control game on the first turn. Let him use his burn spell then
drop my creatures. Never fought this deck before. Anyone?
Sideboard (15)
2 Nihil Spellbomb
1 Surgical extraction
2 collective brutality
2 liliana, the last hope
2 Anger of the god
1 Choke
1 Hazoret, the fervent
1 Ghor Clan Rampager
1 Temur Battle rage
2 Ancient Grudge
What do you think about playing 1-2 Hazorets in the sideboard again?
She gives you an edge in the grindy games, dodges everything except path/edict and solidifies the more aggressive stance of Jund towards the other flavors of GBx.
When everyone has premium removal that ramps you, an indestructible threat that can also use your excess mana sounds great in my book.
The grind deck to beat is UW Control in my opinion. And Hazoret is not good against them.. Path, terminus, Teferi take care of him.
Not sure about hazoret;
Yeah, Sultai + red splash for MD TBR and SB cards for non - UW / BGx mathcups was my first thought as well. We'll probably get crushed by humans though. And have more trouble with most other aggro decks than we would like.
I 2-0'd human at my last FNM (the one I did 5-0) so it's beatable..I guess (he finished 3rd)
I found Snapcaster to be reeeally awkward in most other matchups though, which led me to abandon that plan (and eventually the deck). 3+ mana is just so much for the deck.
I still think you're underestimating the impact of people playing Assassin's Trophy against shadow builds of all flavors. Snapcaster and Souls may help the Jund matchup, but it's now much harder to have more than 3 colors to support all of these things, especially in the Jund matchup.
It's for these reasons that I'm thinking of going more Sultai post-GRN, with the only red main board bring TBR. Fatal Push will replace bolts (I'm currently on 1FP/3LB but I'll go 4FP as Rock decks rise again). And then counter magic will increase in relevance since Trophy will replace Decay in said Rock decks. Souls package could still be kept in the board but I don't think it's necessary. I'm thinking 5x main deck counter spells and 2-3 Snapcaster with likely only 3/3 Traverse/IOK to help make room.
Sideboard red cards would likely be only 2x Abrade and 1x K-Command. Extra counters in Sideboard for Burn seems useful as well. Do you think Bontu's Last Reckoning would suffice as a SB sweeper if I go light on red Mana?
If you go splash red (as I do) I recommand Firespout. If you are not able to get your red source, At least you can still kill
lingering souls tokens, spirits, etc.. from the battlefield with the green source (= I would not play Bontu's.
Another nice interaction you have with Assassin's trophy (just though about it)
You look at the oponent top library with bauble. If it's a land, you let him draw it; If it's a great card, you destroy
any permanent on his battlefield to make him shuffle his library. If he doesnt search and keep his top deck that way.
Fine, you have no drawback on ur card. If he shuffle, the good top deck is going back in his library. WIN/WIN situation.
And btw, the card is great in my oponion because its not situational. It wont have a terminate in hand when u need to destroy bridge/cranial.
You wont have decay in hand when you need to destroy TKS/gurmag. It's a catch all. That's why the card is so great.
BGx is a horrific matchup though, and this will get more people playing GBx. And I do think it makes GBx even worse for us. They'll have no trouble killing our dudes even without Decay, so going long they now have another angle of attack --- try to cut us off a color.
I really feel favored against Jund (my list is slower than yours); The meta will slow down (I guess) and the deck will adapt to be less explosive.
We have the tool.
Oh ok !! My bad; thank you. Would have been great ^^
Are you sure it doesn't? I would say yes;
The copies go on the stack and no mana has been spend for these copies.. so they should be countered?
It's strange;
This card is insane in legacy.
My meta is very diverse;
I fought:
Uw control(final)
Sultai Control
Hollow one
Humans
All in RED
Affinity
Tribal Zoo(final)
Scapeshift
Boros Burn
Izzet Thing
Lanthern (final)
Bant spirit (final)
2x Eldrazi n taxes (final)
2x Counter company
2x Ponza
2x Grixis Death Shadow
Won a ravnica box (36packs), liliana of the veil, Vendillon clique mm foil, and $90 credit store.
His list changed a bit, since he lost to me yesterday. (he was also playing Qasali and knight)
Discard Helix, Bolt, Boros, Tribal Flames and more. And gain life if I need to.
Collective brutality has been OK yesterday so far. The master card was TBR against Zoo.
Not having delirium on turn 4 is something that very very rarely happens. Same for having 13 life or more.
Unless, I'm very behind and I have to try something, I won't cast it.
20-0 with the list at FNM level.. and great results online. I'm pretty sure this list have some potential.
Thank you, I won against him in final (= Another 4-0 undefeated FNM with that list.
(played 3 cbrutality and 2 tbr in sb.)
I use seal of fire for the tempo (turn 1 then turn2 goyf + removal) and because it's a better
cascade than tarfire for BBE. And yes, BBE is doing an amazing job for me. I play this deck since
she's unbanned. She's a house. 4 lands is not a problem for me tho. I feel favored against UW control and tradional jund.
18 lands + 4 traverse + 8 cantrip is enaugh to get it done. My deck doesnt always look for the turn 3-4 kill.
because he's a great player) decided to play a deck suppose to destroy (in his opinion) DS deck's. (Tribal Zoo burn)
Here his list:
https://www.magic-ville.com/fr/decks/showdeck.php?ref=572307&fbclid=IwAR09bg6CbgIFIYx5TDtgGBnr-32m5hQR0OQwsXn18drZOXlFNhibzIgkLVQ
I think my best chance is arround TBR; What would you side against it? more Cbrutality?
My gameplan is playing the control game on the first turn. Let him use his burn spell then
drop my creatures. Never fought this deck before. Anyone?
Here's my list:
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Death's shadow
4 Street wraith
4 Bloodbraid elf
Instant(10)
3 Fatal push
1 Dismember
4 Assassin's trophy
2 Kolaghan's command
Sorcery(8)
4 Thoughtseize
4 Traverse the Ulvenwald
Enchantment(2)
2 Seal of fire
Artifact(4)
4 Mishra's Bauble
Planeswalker(2)
2 Liliana of the veil
Land(18)
4 Verdant catacombs
4 Bloodstained mire
3 Wooded Foothills
1 Swamp
1 Forest
1 Mountain
2 Overgrown tomb
1 Stomping Ground
1 Blood crypt
Sideboard (15)
2 Nihil Spellbomb
1 Surgical extraction
2 collective brutality
2 liliana, the last hope
2 Anger of the god
1 Choke
1 Hazoret, the fervent
1 Ghor Clan Rampager
1 Temur Battle rage
2 Ancient Grudge
The grind deck to beat is UW Control in my opinion. And Hazoret is not good against them.. Path, terminus, Teferi take care of him.
Not sure about hazoret;
I 2-0'd human at my last FNM (the one I did 5-0) so it's beatable..I guess (he finished 3rd)
If you go splash red (as I do) I recommand Firespout. If you are not able to get your red source, At least you can still kill
lingering souls tokens, spirits, etc.. from the battlefield with the green source (= I would not play Bontu's.
You look at the oponent top library with bauble. If it's a land, you let him draw it; If it's a great card, you destroy
any permanent on his battlefield to make him shuffle his library. If he doesnt search and keep his top deck that way.
Fine, you have no drawback on ur card. If he shuffle, the good top deck is going back in his library. WIN/WIN situation.
And btw, the card is great in my oponion because its not situational. It wont have a terminate in hand when u need to destroy bridge/cranial.
You wont have decay in hand when you need to destroy TKS/gurmag. It's a catch all. That's why the card is so great.
=)
I really feel favored against Jund (my list is slower than yours); The meta will slow down (I guess) and the deck will adapt to be less explosive.
We have the tool.
Gurmag, Tasigur, Teferi, Jace, TKS, KCI, Tron lands, Manlands AND MORE.
I'm amazed.