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    At this point the lack of lotv, second snapcaster and a one of Surgical are purely a $$ choice.

    I'm testing snap /nox for access to wrath off gifts. While it's nice to wrath on t3/4 I haven't had a need to wrath on curve as often with iok and it's a poor draw in multiples. So if I can cut back on my 4 drops and reliably get my one ofs off gifts it would be an improvement.


    I agree that on paper btl sounds great and it's cheap enough (less than a dollar) that I can easily test it as a one of - it's my 4th gifts, 2 wrath/thragtusk/unburial etc. If it doesn't perform strong enough I have the 4th gifts sitting in my binder.
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    You are right our list requires a strong knowledge of the meta and common decks so with so many change ups to the meta and decklists from the influx of new cards is a real challenge.

    Looking at your list- the only thing that I might change without testing is a simple upgrade from Tendrils to Cry of the Carnarium. Its same effect and cmc but you give up devoid to get all creatures put in the grave that turn so they can't sac in response to keep it from getting exiled. I also think you can go down a surgical in the board with Kaya's guile to help control the grave and without looting they can't fill it before t3. If you did free up a sb slot I would recomend a copy of unmoored ego- being able to hit tron lands or lotus field(twiddle storm) on the play is nice.



    In general I'm not looking to change up my manabase barring a major change to the 75 and color weights, its worked pretty well. Wildwood was picked as for its ability to block flyers. If I can pick up a colonade in trade I'll probably pick it up as a way to close out games.


    In general looking at my deck from the the london version, I feel there are a few issues to "solve".
    1. I aim to 1 for 1 outvalue my opponent's but I have no card draw and play 3 collective brutalities meaning I general go topdeck first.
    2. I can reliably get to late game but can't reliably pressure or find Gifts to capitalize on the late game.
    3. Like most Gift decks I suffer from the bad draws issue, further complicating the 1 for 1 plan.
    4. My deck's sb is fairly heavy against combo decks but I don't see an disproportionate amount in my meta... not sure why I weighted the board that way.


    I did some testing yesterday at the lgs to see if there is some missed/new tech that can help with these problems The testing was against gb elves (you take what you can get in pickup games/testing lol.) we Played for about 4 hours which with GB elves means there was quite a few games. So I was able to see the cards in various numbers and situations.

    Chart a course - strong controlled filtering was really nice but sorcery speed meant I was constantly holding it back to hold up removal or going shields down to filter my hand. It might get better in slower[ matches or versions with T3feri where you can make it instant.

    Chemister's insight - can be pitched and used as a discard outlet. The blind discard isn't great but would be at home in a more draw go shell. I'll be running it as a one of in place of my champion of wits as it generates card advantage and is instant.

    Sultai charm - never dead and the instant speed is amazing, but the mana is HARD to cast on T3, its not impossible to do it naturally but its another case where Caryatid is key for casting it in my build.

    Nissa, voice of zendikar - mana is really hard to cast with 1gg, and isn't great as a draw without already having a stable board as the plant tokens do very little on their own.





    Drops-
    D Sphere- sorcery speed and can't be recurred without noxious. Was better when my build had a suntitan. but with exile not being as key anymore it going to the maybeboard.

    search #2- its not great in multiples and with more ways to filter my hand I'm less reliant on dodging bad draws.

    Champion of Wits- I keep going back in forth with him. But he's being dropped as I don't run titan and his filtering is sorcery speed without generating real card advantage.

    Extirpate #2- don't need 2 extirpates without an influx of combo or grave decks.

    Loam/Crime- too slow for most matches and Thrunn is stronger against control decks.

    Nihil Spellbomb- grave decks should die down some. And w/o looting they'll be slower/less consistent making kaya's guile stronger.

    Baneslayer- Rarely used if I was up against aggro the troll worship lock was my stronger line outside of locking from gifts. Though if BTL performs it might make it back to the 75.


    Moves-
    Day/Verdict- testing the idea of moving the wraths to sb and relying on snap/noxious to have access to the singleton wrath. Time will tell if the lack of t3/4 wrath will be an issue.

    Noxious- moving to main for its ability to HVT package to get thigs like Wrath, Bog or removal as needed.


    Adds

    Thragtusk - board/life stabilizer.

    Chemister's Insight- replacing champion as it can be "flashbacked" or hard casted at instant speed generating card adavantage.

    BTL- Second copy of just about any card in my main deck though I'm not a BTL deck but getting wraths/gifts/unburial/thragtusk(5th color with caryatid) etc is too strong to ignore for testing.

    sultia charm- looting effect with straight upside in utility.

    Gideon, ally - past testing has shown he's powerful. Making tokens is nice can also anthem our board which with a set of souls out can be lethal. A t3 gideon swings for 7 on t4 which is great for pressuring opponents.
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    So I haven't had much in the way of success (<50% win rate) with all the meta changes from MH1 and the un/bannings. I still put up a fight but unfamiliarity with the lines of new decks and new tech shaking up old decks is forcing me to revise my build even again. I'm taking inspiration from the esper list that 5-0 during hogaak winter and testing out chart a course, but with SFM being the new hot tech- I'm tossing in 2 sultai charms as it can break equipment, kill the germ or mystic and filter bad draws in place of the Jace VP in that list as I still want to blank removal from the opponent as much as possible. I won't get to test the list until next FNM and Saturday for a charity tournament though. So I'm open to feedback and possible revisions.

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    I won't be testing a SFM build of Gifts with them at 90+ each. For now I'll keep testing my current build, though with the grave decks slowing down, I might move to Kaya's guile as a 2 or 3 of in the board and drop the nihil spellbombs as guile is far more versatile though it is a slower gravehate spell. I keep finding myself thinking about a 4c version that looks to lock with loam/crime with a T3feri on the field. The power of them never getting another card sounds amazing but I worry the setup for such a lock is not practical (empty or near parity board state, with a t3feri to gifts for loam/crime package).
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    Faithless and hogaak banned, sfm unbanned. Thoughts?
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    Faithless and hogaak banned, sfm unbanned. Thoughts?
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    I have not, main deck is where I would want him the most but I aim to blank removal with only running caryatid tokens reanimation targets and 1 snapcaster 1 champion of wits. As Gravehate Kayas guile and Nihil come down faster which when siding in is really important.
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    Yeah all those color requirements are hard. I help my reliability by limiting my double color requirements and leaning heavily on caryatid. Games without them (caryatid) are noticeably harder.
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    Last night I ran Kaya's guile as a 1 of in my list, I didn't get much testing as the only time I saw it was my match against esper control who was running there's as a 4 of. I agree its slow but the versatility is strong enough that a 2 of in a list with lotv should be doable. I think right now if you're going into an unknown meta and have flex slots in the board Kaya's guile should be the fillers fyi.

    Concerning Loam/Crime- we're currently in a meta that is grave hate centric so Loam/crime is pretty easily interrupted. Its not all that cost efficient- 1GBB +/- B to discard a couple cards is not great rate. It doesn't prevent them from drawing and playing cards on their turn but every time you dredge loam you're not drawing a new card so you fall behind in virtual card advantage (the mill may recover some of it though). Loaming a GQ/Field has a similar drawback. For the first few turns you don't go up in lands and can very well end up falling behind in lands on top of not drawing new cards. The only way I can see this lock as being strong enough to reliably turn the tide in a control match would be with 3feri - then you could effectively prevent them from drawing another card the rest of the game. but there is not a way to Gifts Pile that and resolving 3feri followed by gifts seems like a tall order for a control match.

    Thrunn- yes the listed cards are outs to Thrunn, but in a control match they are unlikely to keep or bring in more wraths and generally will actively side those cards out depending on the build of course. And that's 5 turns to draw a 1 or 2 of in their 75 so not that likely. I do worry that if control decks start running several kaya's guile that could be an issue for him, but hopefully caryatids and souls can be sac fodder to let him do his work.
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  • posted a message on 4C Gifts
    Shoutout to an Esper List 5-0'ing in our current gravehate or die meta-
    https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/mtgo-standings/modern-league-2019-08-16#dabiggestb_-


    some cards that caught my interest-
    chart a course- really wish it was instant but its flexible letting you draw 2 or draw 2 discard 1 depending if you actually want to draw cards.
    Kambal, Consul of Allocation in the board- it's a great storm hoser I guess.
    4x Leyline of the Void- that's where we are folks we have to run all the grave hate....

    The deck is heavy on walkers with a total of 6 straight walkers and 2 jace vp for a total of 8 walkers in the main.
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    Looking for feedback- I'm looking at Dropping my Loam/Crime from the SB. So before I do, what other match ups do you normally look towards loam/crime for? As I've understood the package its almost exclusively for control matches. I have found Thrunn to be the stronger SB card for the matchup as it lets me really pressure control without giving them a near infinite amount of time to find an out, at worst they have to find the answer in 5 turns which has to be something like terminus.
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    I'll admit I was surprised how much adding green to esper alleviates the issue of blood moon, the removal suite is nice but a Caryatid or BoP goes along ways to ignoring blood moons.
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    I was suggesting alternatives to Bedevil that you mentioned you were considering. I think unmaking or GG could be better as BBR is alot harder to have then wb or just w and they are less restrictive in what they can handle. 3cmc removal is not ideal but it works when there isn't a better option. I run 2 dspheres and a maelstrom in my list personally.
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    @funeral- any thought on these cards to fill the catchall slots normally held by trophy /decay/pulse slots:

    Generous gift (color shifted beast within) Giving a 3/3 is not great but its truly a catchall and only needing white is not to be underestimated in a 4 color list. I could see bedevil's bbr being an issue.
    Anguished unmaking - exile is nice but I can see the life loss being an issue with Thoughtsiezes in the list.
    Detention sphere and deputy of detention - deputy could be extra strong in your list with titan and unearth. But of course both detentions struggle from leaving a way for the opponent to get their card/s back.
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    For those interested I made a discord = there's alot of lurkers at the moment. - https://discord.gg/JwqJUx9. I'll add it to the primer sometime today.
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