I have this vision for Rakdos. An each player discards cards strategy with cards like Madness, Hellbent and other stuff to break parity. I really want Rakdos madness to be good, I really do. So far Neheb, the Worthy is the best option and tbh he sux. I still have high hopes for the other 2 generals.
I terms of overall power level I think K'rrik is way stronger
And that’s ok. Just didn’t see the reason you’d knock one “bad” strategy and suggest another. I mean, powerlevel for both commanders is going to be entirely dependent on what’s in the 99, because neither are going to carry their respective decks without support. I’d argue a 3-cmc “free” discard outlet is going to lead to a more consistent game in the long run than a suicide mono-B deck, especially at a table of 4+, but to each their own.
I guess my point is that I’m calling you out for poo-pooing one strategy for being weak, and suggest another that is just as weak. Just didn’t see the reason for the comment is all, considering your build would probably equal that of an Anje build.
I don't believe they are the same power level at all. You can call me out for being incorrect on that. Maybe K'rrik life drain is weaker than I believe and/or Anje Madness is better than I think but imo a Kriik life drain strategy would stomp any Anje build and because of that I don't think it's accurate to call me out as a hypocrite. Wrong? Ya maybe
Edit: That being said, I didn't know about the Worldgorger synergy when initially dunking in her. If there are more things like that ill totally admit to being wrong
K'rrik doesn't say it has to be an activated ability, just any time you were to pay black you can pay 2 life instead. Edit: I see what you meant now but it would be weird to say you may pay X and not have it be a "cost" but I agree it's unclear.
Might be smart to wait for an actual judge to get back to us, but so far someone claims it works.
Edit: IT WORKS! Let the drain extravaganza begin!
Not to derail your excitement here, but isn’t relying on extort to profit off K’rrik the same as running madness spells with Anje? There’s what, 3 playable extort Mono-B cards?
Sorry, just find it amusing that in one breath you knock a sub-optimal strategy by saying it’s not for you, then suggest you’ll play a different sub-optimal strategy.
Right so the difference is I dont have to only play only extort. I can pick the best extort pieces as well as all the other great life drain effects in black to make a life gain/drain deck which is an established archetype with tons of support. I'll also play stuff with heavy mono B costs for maximum ramp. You can't do this with Anje. If she cared about discarding cards in general she would have been so much better, working with Hellbent and mass discard too to build a whole archetype, but sadly no, she only works with madness specifically.
I terms of overall power level I think K'rrik is way stronger
Sorry, idk who Eli is but I assume since you a guru is mentioning him he must work for wizards or something? Anyway, just to be clear, I'm safe to start persuing this deck now?
K'rrik doesn't say it has to be an activated ability, just any time you were to pay black you can pay 2 life instead. Edit: I see what you meant now but it would be weird to say you may pay X and not have it be a "cost" but I agree it's unclear.
Currently in the rules Yes, K'rrik's ability allows you to pay 2 life instead of B for extort.
118.12. Some spells, activated abilities, and triggered abilities read, “[Do something]. If [a player] [does, doesn’t, or can’t], [effect].” or “[A player] may [do something]. If [that player] [does, doesn’t, or can’t], [effect].” The action [do something] is a cost, paid when the spell or ability resolves.
In a 4 player commander game, if I have K'rrik, Son of Yawgmoth and Crypt Ghast out, does K'rrik's payment ability work on extort? The next spell I play, can I pay 2 life to cover the extort cost and then gain 3 life, effectively doing it for free and netting 1 life to boot?
If I have multiple extort triggers on board, is this as awesome as I think it is?
Hey guys, does K'rrik's payment ability work with extort? Cause if so, that is a lot of free extort triggers! Play all the extort dudes, play a spell, pay it 5 times using 10 life, then in a 4 player pod gain 15!!!
I agree with Drain Life. In a parallel universe where madness has 20+ really solid cards Anje would be amazing. In ours I find her underehelming. Id like to see a general that gives the next card you discard madness or a discard outlet that has more presence and not madness specific, maybe something like Pack Rat in the zone.
Also ya, i've been toying with the idea of making a vial smasher deck and ramp seems to be an appropriate theme as more ramp = bigger spells = Bigger Triggers
Because whats the point of having different colours if they aren't different? May as well just play something like hearthstone where everything costs generic mana. It's one of the many distinct features what makes magic the game it is. The more contrasting the colours are, the more complex the game becomes. The more one colour bleeds into another's territory, the more simple the game becomes. Complexity is what makes magic the tcg king imo.
Also, its not like destroying enchantments is impossible in red as suggested. There are plently of colourless things that any deck can dip into to overcome any challenge but with greater effort than a colour that has it in it's pie
Edit: That being said, I didn't know about the Worldgorger synergy when initially dunking in her. If there are more things like that ill totally admit to being wrong
Right so the difference is I dont have to only play only extort. I can pick the best extort pieces as well as all the other great life drain effects in black to make a life gain/drain deck which is an established archetype with tons of support. I'll also play stuff with heavy mono B costs for maximum ramp. You can't do this with Anje. If she cared about discarding cards in general she would have been so much better, working with Hellbent and mass discard too to build a whole archetype, but sadly no, she only works with madness specifically.
I terms of overall power level I think K'rrik is way stronger
Just to be safe I asked here
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-rulings/812965-krrik-and-extort
Might be smart to wait for an actual judge to get back to us, but so far someone claims it works.
Edit: IT WORKS! Let the drain extravaganza begin!
If I have multiple extort triggers on board, is this as awesome as I think it is?
Also ya, i've been toying with the idea of making a vial smasher deck and ramp seems to be an appropriate theme as more ramp = bigger spells = Bigger Triggers
Also, its not like destroying enchantments is impossible in red as suggested. There are plently of colourless things that any deck can dip into to overcome any challenge but with greater effort than a colour that has it in it's pie